Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1089

#401 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:48:43 AM | message detail | (edited)
KanzarisKelshen posted...

It's not impossible if you assume voters don't see G&W as Smash but instead see him as 'G&W', if that makes any sense.


The funny thing is I don't actually disagree with this sentiment, but here's what I boil the match down to:

1. Do I think 30% of this site has played The Walking Dead.
2. Do I think 30% of this site has played Meat Boy

I think the answer to both of these questions is a resounding no, so they simply aren't able to actually win the match unless G&W gets anti-voted or one of them gets pic votes. Voters will default to the guy they know even if they don't particularly like him.

I could actually see the second argument as having merit and the consensus being Meat Boy but the consensus was actually Lee which makes zero sense at all seeing as he's not photogenic.
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#402 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 8/3/2013 2:11:39 AM | message detail
IMO:

Mr. Game & Watch has very little in the "character" department, and he just got into the contest for the sake of having another SSB representative. People will vote for him because they are fans of SSB.

Meat Boy is probably one of the most recognizable "indie game" character in a while. But he might be held back by virtue of being an indie game character. Even though his game is popular, it's not super mainstream. And even if people recognize him by appearance without playing his game, there will probably be a lot of overlap with the SSB voters, since everyone has played that.

Lee is a character from some small game whose fans keep trying (and failing) to convince us that it is popular, when the fact is that nobody who hasn't played it knows or cares about it. Plus, nobody who's unfamiliar with all 3 characters is going to vote for some random human when there are two "video game-y" looking characters next to him.

Meat Boy could win on recognizability, but the more likely scenario is Mr. G&W winning due to series votes.
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#403 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 2:25:05 AM | message detail
-hotdogturtle-- posted...
From: DoctorJimmy133 | #398
LinkMarioSamus posted...
IIRC no one actually likes Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. He's all Brawl, and we all know how characters like that perform.

Are you seriously arguing that gameplay strength has a major impact on CB strength?


As he said in his posts, he doesn't like him in Melee, so he's pretending that the character has only been in 1 game.


Not a very strong argument.


This is extremely wrong. I used to use Mr. Game & Watch all the time in Melee just because, although I wasn't good with him. I thought the consensus among Melee players is that Game & Watch sucks in Melee.

As for the argument, give me ONE example of a character who follows the following criteria:

-Is in more than one SSB.
-Is low-tier in his/her non-Brawl SSB appearances.
-Is reliant on SSB for strength

I can't think of one. Mr. Game & Watch would be the first example if he does well - which I still honestly don't see, although then again I see it as "late unlockable in a fighting game whose popularity is gradually dropping vs. the main characters of two of the most popular games of the last few years".
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#404 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 2:27:57 AM | message detail | (edited)
Never mind that the main rationale behind Mr. Game & Watch doing well is because "it's Smash Bros. against The Walking Dead and Super Meat Boy", which sounds even less credible of an excuse than "Zelda vs. Dynasty Warriors and Tekken".

I dunno. Mr. Game & Watch just seems like the least recognizable character in the match going off of the pic.

And Mr. Game & Watch beating Lee still sounds horribly wrong to me.
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#405 | ffmasterjose | Posted 8/3/2013 2:27:41 AM | message detail
Its actually pretty cool that Yoshimitsu gets to pick up a random victory! and thats not just my bracket talking.
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#406 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 2:28:53 AM | message detail
How about this argument... give me ONE example of a character who follows the following criteria

-Is only in one Smash game
-Is low tier
-Has a projectile deflect attack

I can only think of Mewtwo. No wonder Mewtwo was so strong.
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#407 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 2:31:14 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lopen posted...
How about this argument... give me ONE example of a character who follows the following criteria

-Is only in one Smash game
-Is low tier
-Has a projectile deflect attack

I can only think of Mewtwo. No wonder Mewtwo was so strong.


Mewtwo gets most of his strength from his own games, the anime, and character design.

Hey remember how weakass Lucario was?

Okay to be a bit less highbrow, somehow I never saw Mewtwo as being a SSB-reliant character in the same way as a Marth or Captain Falcon.
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#408 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 2:32:45 AM | message detail
My bad. How about this one... give me ONE example of a character who follows the following criteria

- Is in all three smash games
- Uses no weapons but his hands
- Has fur

That's right. It's Donkey Kong. He chokes all the damn time and that's why how did we never see this?!?!
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#409 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/3/2013 2:34:50 AM | message detail
I hate to say it, but I'm kinda with LMS on this one. I have G&W in my bracket, but this current match really makes me doubt that pick. If ZeldaFAQs can't beat freaking Lu Bu, is it really a guarantee that SmashFAQs Is enough to beat Meat Boy, who didn't completely embarrass himself in the contest that didn't happen?
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#410 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 2:35:43 AM | message detail
Hm...Nana sucked
Who cares about Ice Climber
#411 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 2:43:06 AM | message detail
Wait
So the rivalry contest was that not important there isn't even a x-stats list for it? really?
#412 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 2:45:01 AM | message detail
Another theory I had is that Phoenix Wright beat Marth so easily because even SSB fans would want to vote for the Internet-wide meme over their character. The Walking Dead's critical and commercial acclaim could be seen as a parallel of Phoenix Wright's meme status, thus causing SSB fans to vote for Lee over their late-game unlockable.
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#413 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 8/3/2013 2:45:14 AM | message detail
I have a no pick for the coming round generally because I thought Smash Bros popularity might be canceled out by general apathy for Game and Watch.

I would still be surprised if Meat Boy beats him but I wasn't really expecting Meat Boy to do that much worse.

And of course, there's Lee.
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#414 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 2:46:38 AM | message detail
The stupid thing is that for all this arguing against Game & Watch I'm doing, I might vote for him because he's one of my favorite Brawl characters.
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#415 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 2:48:25 AM | message detail
I'm really surprised that i'm the first one to give Nana as an example (or at least,I didn't read anyone mention her)
Now the question is whether Ratchet is weaker or stronger than Meat Boy and Lee
#416 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 2:57:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
Xuxon posted...
Cloud is probably just as hurt by Crono as Sora.


I don't know why people keep saying this when it's flat out proven to be untrue because Cloud has faced both and we've seen the effects.

We've seen FFVII and CT face each other on more than enough occasions to say that there is minimal disproportionate (key word here, folks) overlap between them.

I know you all want to believe it exists, but it really doesn't!

Sora being there will absolutely doom Cloud to defeat. Crono does not necessarily doom him to defeat.
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#417 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 2:49:15 AM | message detail
I think Meat Boy could be seen as a parallel to Hell's Kitchen, with Game and Watch the old classic being Iron Chef and the member of The Walking Dead of course being a parallel to the late great Julia Child. I think this means Game & Watch wins with 45% but never count out Ramsay
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#418 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 2:50:24 AM | message detail
Ratchet was much weaker in 2008 than he is now, no?
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#419 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 3:27:28 AM | message detail | (edited)
Also, Zelda has been in two matches and embarrassed itself three times.

Link is DOOMED oh WHY did I let Board 8 convince me Link was INVINCIBLE

Edit: Oh right forgot Midna even had a match, which should count as an embarrassment in and of itself. Completely unremarkable against FFVII!

Three matches, four embarrassments.
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#420 | --Smurf-- | Posted 8/3/2013 2:55:46 AM | message detail
ah ha ha. Got this match completely wrong but I'm glad to see a horrible character from a terrible game getting buried like this. Gamefaqs clearly doesn't just vote Zelda/Nintendo over absolutely anything.
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#421 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 2:56:32 AM | message detail
Reading this topic made me sad I wasn't here for the beginning of the match. I almost laughed out loud when I voted and saw Groose in last. I can only imagine what it would've been like had I actually been here at the start.
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#422 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 2:57:44 AM | message detail
Recommended supplemental reading

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66888548
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#423 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 2:58:41 AM | message detail
is Dr. Coffee any relation to Dr. Pizza

this is an important question about whether or not I want to read that topic
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#424 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 3:02:27 AM | message detail
Not to my knowledge. He's not really the one who makes the topic anyway.
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#425 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 3:03:18 AM | message detail
Yeah, I went ahead and read it.

Gave me flashbacks to the "Luigi wins! Take THAT, nanasilencer!" topic from Squall/Luigi 2003 that spawned Fanta Shokata.

Bring back Fanta Shokata

Bring back Squall fangirls to Board 8

Either one is fine
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#426 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/3/2013 3:04:00 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Wait
So the rivalry contest was that not important there isn't even a x-stats list for it? really?


I think someone did make x-stats for it, but it's not even listed on creativename's site or the Board 8 wiki site.
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#427 | Achromatic | Posted 8/3/2013 3:04:32 AM | message detail
Squall beating the hell out of Luigi that night was one of my favorite early board 8 memories. What a night that was.

...

That was over 10 years ago now.

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Man.
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#428 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 3:06:11 AM | message detail
Haha, I just looked it up on a whim.

TOMORROW is the 10th anniversary of Squall/Luigi.

8/4/2003

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1339

Never forget
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#429 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 3:07:46 AM | message detail
Also for those of you who may want to commemorate the 10th anniversary of Mario/Crono II, that's the 24th.

Cloud > Link is September 1st.

Remember these important days in contest history!
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#430 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/3/2013 3:11:13 AM | message detail
That means Draven > Link will take place on the tenth anniversary of Cloud > Link. Great.
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#431 | Axl_Rose_85 | Posted 8/3/2013 3:17:32 AM | message detail
I'm at 45 points and picked Yoshimitsu to win. So a guaranteed 46 points by the start of next match. My bracket has finally picked up after a horrible start.

YES! YES! YES!
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#432 | Axl_Rose_85 | Posted 8/3/2013 3:33:16 AM | message detail | (edited)
About the next match.

I picked Brawl (Mr. G&W) over one of my favorite VG characters from 2012 but will be more than happy if Lee pulls off the win. A -1 point I'll rejoice over.

As much as I loved the Spyro trilogy on the PS1, Clementine losing that match was BY FAR the worst result in contest history.

Who in their right mind votes against Clementine the greatest child NPC ever (Nanako Dojima a close second)? who?
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#433 | XIII_rocks | Posted 8/3/2013 3:31:50 AM | message detail | (edited)
Yesssssssss I had Yoshimitsu from day 1 based on his name and general recognizability.

Not often I get an "upset" like that right
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#434 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 3:27:50 AM | message detail
I would pick Little Sister over Clementine!
#435 | Xcarvenger | Posted 8/3/2013 3:31:02 AM | message detail
Denzokuken posted...
That means Draven > Link will take place on the tenth anniversary of Cloud > Link. Great.


Oh yes, this is so happening.
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#436 | Axl_Rose_85 | Posted 8/3/2013 3:31:31 AM | message detail
Who the hell is Little Sister?
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#437 | Janus5000 | Posted 8/3/2013 3:42:54 AM | message detail
I like this match because Groose and Yoshi are both running away from Lu Bu

yeah that's right, tremble before the greatest warrior in all of China
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#438 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 3:47:25 AM | message detail
Trend chart from the day match:

Time | Booker | Gilga | Kaim | Votes
0:05 | 40.16% | 54.33% | 5.51% | 254
1:00 | 37.48% | 51.02% | 11.50% | 4226
2:00 | 38.29% | 50.57% | 11.15% | 3184
3:00 | 36.80% | 52.20% | 11.00% | 2701
4:00 | 34.53% | 53.10% | 12.37% | 2337
5:00 | 36.79% | 51.52% | 11.69% | 2207
6:00 | 37.49% | 51.24% | 11.28% | 2022
7:00 | 35.42% | 52.20% | 12.37% | 1883
8:00 | 36.10% | 52.67% | 11.24% | 1762
9:00 | 36.74% | 51.19% | 12.07% | 1557
10:00 | 36.14% | 52.87% | 10.99% | 1483
11:00 | 37.38% | 52.40% | 10.23% | 1418
12:00 | 35.54% | 51.59% | 12.88% | 1196

Another boring day match.

X-Stats:

Gilgamesh – 50.00%
Booker DeWitt – 41.51%
Kaim Argonar – 18.22%

Gilgamesh's prediction percentage was 40.89%
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#439 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 3:49:46 AM | message detail
Leon,how does X stats calculated?

Also,I think Groose hold the record of the biggest % droppnig
This is crazy
#440 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/3/2013 4:04:58 AM | message detail
Okay I just woke up. I see the results. Man 2nd loss in a row for me. I have Lee so 3rd loss. Then I have Nathan so 4th loss. And finally I have Fox so 5th loss! Man I suck. Seriously.
Also 2nd lowest prediction so far for Gilgamesh? And the leaderboard got owned! Nice! But I see the guy with the last 0 bracket is still alive and posted here
Also about this match... Yeah okay Zelda sucks! I didn't believe I would say that but Link has dropped. He will still win but nice. Also Yoshimitsu? And Lu Bu is doing well. I mean he is beating a ZELDA character!
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#441 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:05:48 AM | message detail
Drake and Fox are still going to win...!
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#442 | Calintares | Posted 8/3/2013 4:25:17 AM | message detail
Is there anywhere I can go and check if my bracket is alive?
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#443 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/3/2013 4:25:59 AM | message detail
Really thought this match might be my first -6, because due to the way the scoring system works, my Ryu H > Zack > Kefka pick was only a -2.

Turns out it's actually my second -6. I completely forgot that I'd had Juliet > Tharja > Tina.
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#444 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:26:02 AM | message detail
#445 | Oxbridge | Posted 8/3/2013 4:29:09 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
http://thengamer.com/guru/

According to this, no one's bracket is dead yet.


There would have been one today if Groose didn't suck.
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#446 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:29:37 AM | message detail
I guess we can all be glad Groose does suck then.
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#447 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 8/3/2013 4:30:51 AM | message detail
-hotdogturtle-- posted...
IMO:

Mr. Game & Watch has very little in the "character" department, and he just got into the contest for the sake of having another SSB representative. People will vote for him because they are fans of SSB.

Meat Boy is probably one of the most recognizable "indie game" character in a while. But he might be held back by virtue of being an indie game character. Even though his game is popular, it's not super mainstream. And even if people recognize him by appearance without playing his game, there will probably be a lot of overlap with the SSB voters, since everyone has played that.

Lee is a character from some small game whose fans keep trying (and failing) to convince us that it is popular, when the fact is that nobody who hasn't played it knows or cares about it. Plus, nobody who's unfamiliar with all 3 characters is going to vote for some random human when there are two "video game-y" looking characters next to him.

Meat Boy could win on recognizability, but the more likely scenario is Mr. G&W winning due to series votes.


Hey, now, GameFAQs has always rewarded flat characters! Why not a literal one?
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#448 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/3/2013 4:31:48 AM | message detail
Until match 80(Lighting/Donkey Kong/Falco)all gurus will be alive since in the last match everyone has Charizard.In match 80 some have Donkey Kong.So until then everyone is fine.
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#449 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:32:56 AM | message detail
Can't believe people actually picked DK in a match tailor made for him to look pathetic.
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#450 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 4:43:38 AM | message detail
That, in a nutshell, is pretty much the only reason I picked Lightning over DK. Otherwise, it's the divisive protagonist of a divisive game vs. a recently resurrected gaming icon.
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