Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1089

#351 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 12:01:48 AM | message detail | (edited)
I can totally understand people hating on new Zelda games because they hate their gimmicks
And hating on Phantom Hourglass is good too,regardless of gimmicks

Spirit Tracks was actually quite enjoyable,of course it got hurt by no overworld (train overworld sucks but much better than sailing)
And Twilight Princess was great (not OOT and MM levels of great,though!)
MM=OOT>TP>OOA=OOS>LA>MC>LTTP>ST>PH
Need to play WW and SS someday (I tried it but the controls killed me,I will give it another chance..)
And yes i'm with LMS on the "LTTP is overrated" train
#352 | SliceSabre | Posted 8/3/2013 12:02:24 AM | message detail
Yoshimitsu at bare minimum is a tad bit more recognizable than Lu Bu simply from a nostalgia standpoint.

Its not enough to carry him out the next round, but plenty against two other relative unknowns.
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#353 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:02:45 AM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
This division's a killer. Great job, SB...and terrible job, my bracket.


I've suspected for awhile LoZ:SS did so well in the 2011-GotY due to its reputation from people who didn't play it, much like what it looks like happened with Xenoblade. I'd expect something similar with Super Mario Galaxy 2, too -- really, any big game on the Wii after SSBB and probably Mario Kart Wii had a higher support-to-playership ratio than normal. This might be the best example of blind Nintendo-support we have. For all of the Wii's sales, how many people played the Wii regularly after 2008?

Groose isn't exactly the best measuring stick, but losing to Yoshimitsu and Lu Bu supports the idea. I'd take Batman: Arkham City to overturn its loss in 2011's GotY to LoZ:SS, at any rate.


Gut pick is that the Galaxies wouldn't be like that, but then again it does make sense for SMG2 to be.

If this is really the case, I guess Samus could be safe?
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#354 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:04:56 AM | message detail
Either way, Midna's loss to Scorpion in her debut match basically called this one. Just like I thought pre-contest.
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#355 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2013 12:06:07 AM | message detail
SliceSabre posted...
Yoshimitsu at bare minimum is a tad bit more recognizable than Lu Bu simply from a nostalgia standpoint.

Its not enough to carry him out the next round, but plenty against two other relative unknowns.


Oh no doubt. Groose winning is one of those things that I'm not sure how it made it into my bracket, I didn't want him at all (though being third is killing me still).

...not that people should be doubting my completely intentional and rational Mewtwo > Vincent pick or anything
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#356 | creativename | Posted 8/3/2013 12:13:13 AM | message detail
The fact that Yoshimitsu likely has a name recognition over 50% is probably the only reason he's winning this match.

And anyone that doesn't like LttP has disgusting taste! One of the most fun games ever.
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#357 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:16:51 AM | message detail
Actually I take back what I said earlier. Watching something Zelda-related flop on this site is too much fun, and I say that as someone whose favorite series is Zelda. I guess it's mostly out of a feeling of "YES! This site isn't full of Zelda drones!", but oh well! Though I guess in this case the entrant being Skyward Sword-related helps (haven't played SS, not really interested in doing so - based off of what I've seen I doubt I'll like it as much as any of the Zeldas I've played. Link's Awakening and the DS Zeldas are the only ones I haven't played that I want to play).

Then again, I want to see Samus flop so I guess I'm just suicidal or something, wanting to see all my favorite characters/series flop. I legitimately want to though.
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#358 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:19:11 AM | message detail | (edited)
creativename posted...
The fact that Yoshimitsu likely has a name recognition over 50% is probably the only reason he's winning this match.

And anyone that doesn't like LttP has disgusting taste! One of the most fun games ever.


I don't dislike LTTP, I just find it to be underwhelming in comparison to the other Zeldas I've played.

LMS's pics for most overrated games (note that I like all of these):

1) Link to the Past
2) Yoshi's Island
3) Super Mario Bros. 3
4) Super Smash Bros. Melee
5) Metal Gear Solid 3

My pick for most underrated game would probably be Metal Gear Solid 2 or Super Mario Sunshine. Metroid: Other M has become a cliche pick for that.
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#359 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:18:02 AM | message detail
Absolutely. That's the only reason I picked Yoshimitsu here. It was Yoshimitsu over "who" (Groose) and "guy I technically know but is probably who to most of GameFAQs" (Lu Bu)
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#360 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 12:18:31 AM | message detail
Avoid Phantom Hourglass dude
Just...avoid
Skip to Spirit Tracks,if you like it then you can try PH...just expect a worse game
#361 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:20:14 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Avoid Phantom Hourglass dude
Just...avoid
Skip to Spirit Tracks,if you like it then you can try PH...just expect a worse game


Okay yeah, it was definitely more Spirit Tracks. So that and Link's Awakening. I own an original DS model which is region-free IIRC, and I guess I can pick up a 3DS whenever to get access to Link's Awakening.
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#362 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/3/2013 12:23:01 AM | message detail
good lord yoshimitsu is just tearing it up
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#363 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 8/3/2013 12:25:01 AM | message detail
No surprise. Soul Calibur has a good night vote. Tekken has a good night vote. But a character from Tekken AND Soul Calibur?
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#364 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:25:31 AM | message detail
Yeah Yoshi's putting this one away with Europe like I thought he would after looking at the map. He had like 70% in the UK when I looked so yeah.
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#365 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 8/3/2013 12:26:27 AM | message detail
I am so happy Yoshimitsu is going to win something

Three years of failed rallies and finally he has his time in the spotlight
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#366 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2013 12:30:50 AM | message detail
The idea of this site not being Zelda-crazy obviously isn't in the cards, but I wonder what happens if the unimpressive streak for Zelda characters becomes more than just coincidences. Next round what percentage would Raiden have to hang on Link for people to start getting FinalsFEAR? Even with Yoshi hurting him, something like 30% should normally be far out of the realm of possibility, right?
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#367 | paulg235 | Posted 8/3/2013 12:30:55 AM | message detail
*Wakes up*

*Votes in poll*

*Sees result*

XD Groose, you suck.

And yay, Tekken finally wins a match in these contests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN_wqNfrJts
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#368 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:31:35 AM | message detail
Also Yoshimitsu's percentage on Groose is literally within tenths of a percent of Scorpion's percentage on Midna.

You know what they say: Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Or us, in this case, and not me because I called the upset correctly and am so happy for it.
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#369 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:32:34 AM | message detail
Scorpion vs Midna is nothing like Yoshimitsu vs Groose

Just saying this in two places so you shut up about it
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#370 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:36:07 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
The idea of this site not being Zelda-crazy obviously isn't in the cards, but I wonder what happens if the unimpressive streak for Zelda characters becomes more than just coincidences. Next round what percentage would Raiden have to hang on Link for people to start getting FinalsFEAR? Even with Yoshi hurting him, something like 30% should normally be far out of the realm of possibility, right?


I was calling for everything Zelda-related this contest to disappoint, from Groose losing this match to Link losing in the final.

What's sad is that Raiden's performance against Link could be an eye test for things to come. Alternately, it may not - it's possible that Raiden didn't get a Metal Gear Rising boost after all, and is still the same one we saw in 2008.
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#371 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:36:24 AM | message detail
Scorpion vs Midna would be like this match if like uhh...

Johnny Cage was the guy in Scorpion's place (Scorpion was a known quantity unlike Yoshimitsu)
The match finished Johnny Cage > Kratos Aurion > Midna (Groose is sucking above and beyond expectations)

Maybe then the match would be perceived as similar. Otherwise there's nothing similar other than "fighting game character beats Zelda"
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#372 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:37:05 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Scorpion vs Midna is nothing like Yoshimitsu vs Groose

Just saying this in two places so you shut up about it


Your point? Midna losing to Scorpion was the main basis for me calling this one, and it's no coincidence that the percentages are lining up almost exactly.
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#373 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:37:31 AM | message detail
It is actually completely coincidental and you just got lucky!
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#374 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:38:40 AM | message detail
Not to mention that these percentages won't be anywhere near close to Scorp/Midna when this match finishes. Groose probably loses 3-5% and Yoshi probably goes up by 2-3% by the time this match ends. Europe is going to lay waste to the percentages here Yoshi is dominating over there (and Groose is losing by a ton too)
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#375 | ffmasterjose | Posted 8/3/2013 12:39:10 AM | message detail
This is glorious. I'm owning Div 6 so far
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#376 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:39:20 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Scorpion vs Midna would be like this match if like uhh...

Johnny Cage was the guy in Scorpion's place (Scorpion was a known quantity unlike Yoshimitsu)
The match finished Johnny Cage > Kratos Aurion > Midna (Groose is sucking above and beyond expectations)

Maybe then the match would be perceived as similar. Otherwise there's nothing similar other than "fighting game character beats Zelda"


I saw it as fan-favorite from newest Zelda vs. badass fighting game mainstay. To we really have to get more complex than that?

Also Scorpion wasn't a particularly known quantity pre-match back then, at least going off of contest history. He won three matches in 2002 due to piss-weak competition, then lost badly in the first round in his next two contests and completely failed to make the field afterwards. He was MIA for three years, which undermines your point to an extent.

Also I wasn't including Lu Bu in this.
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#377 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2013 12:39:45 AM | message detail
guys, right now the last digit of everyone's percentages is divisible by 5

coincidence?
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#378 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:43:25 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lopen posted...
Not to mention that these percentages won't be anywhere near close to Scorp/Midna when this match finishes. Groose probably loses 3-5% and Yoshi probably goes up by 2-3% by the time this match ends. Europe is going to lay waste to the percentages here Yoshi is dominating over there (and Groose is losing by a ton too)


Last I checked Yoshimitsu's percentage on Groose was about 0.5% lower than Scorpion's final percentage on Midna. So he'll probably finish about 1% higher at best.

That being said, pre-contest I thought that Yoshimitsu is effectively the Scorpion of Tekken/SC. Judging from what some are saying that isn't the case, so you have a point in that Groose really is sucking that badly.

A Zelda character is losing to a Dynasty Warriors character. Simply amazing.
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#379 | -Zelmor- | Posted 8/3/2013 12:45:16 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
The idea of this site not being Zelda-crazy obviously isn't in the cards, but I wonder what happens if the unimpressive streak for Zelda characters becomes more than just coincidences. Next round what percentage would Raiden have to hang on Link for people to start getting FinalsFEAR? Even with Yoshi hurting him, something like 30% should normally be far out of the realm of possibility, right?


I was calling for everything Zelda-related this contest to disappoint, from Groose losing this match to Link losing in the final.


Same, have a feeling that people are gradually distancing themselves from FF7 and Zelda in these popularity polls. FFVII and Zelda had their time to shine, time to vote for the underdogs for once.
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#380 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:47:56 AM | message detail
Yoshimitsu doesn't really have a good analogue to any other fighting game character because none of them draw their popularity from two pretty distinct franchises like him. Not that that'll stop you from comparing him to Spinal from Killer Instinct combined with Chaos from Primal Rage but just so you know comparing him to another fighting game character is for the most part worthless.
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#381 | Achromatic | Posted 8/3/2013 12:48:43 AM | message detail
He is like a mini Link.
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#382 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:49:19 AM | message detail
I was calling for everything FFVII-related to disappoint this contest as well. Then I changed to Zack > Kefka because there was no real basis for Kefka beating Zack and Hayabusa pre-contest other than expecting FFVII and NG to drop, and I also changed to Aeris > Shepard and Vincent > Sonic out of fanboyism, before backing out of the former because it just sounded so wrong.
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#383 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:50:03 AM | message detail
The sad part is that comparing Yoshimitsu to Link actually makes more sense than comparing him to Scorpion
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#384 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 12:50:22 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Yoshimitsu doesn't really have a good analogue to any other fighting game character because none of them draw their popularity from two pretty distinct franchises like him. Not that that'll stop you from comparing him to Spinal from Killer Instinct combined with Chaos from Primal Rage but just so you know comparing him to another fighting game character is for the most part worthless.


Oh well, basic analogue was badass fighting game mainstay beats fan-favorite one-game Zelda character. That's all.
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#385 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2013 12:51:15 AM | message detail
nice try ZeldaFAQs, I'm not gonna fall for this upset again

next you'll be telling me I'll be #1 on the Leaderboard on the last match of the contest and watch my bracket get destroyed by Snake beating Link
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#386 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 12:54:44 AM | message detail
Sure. I'm just telling you that's a fairly meaningless analogue and you should stop flaunting it in multiple topics as if it has any sort of merit. That's all. I mean it scarcely holds more weight than saying it's similar to a Pit who draws mostly from SSBB beating Tingle soundly.
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#387 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 1:03:44 AM | message detail | (edited)
I'm just saying that it was my main basis for picking Yoshimitsu > Groose, and it ultimately worked, albeit not completely true since Groose ended up losing to a freaking Dynasty Warriors character as well.

So uh...next match. The only way I can see Mr. Game & Watch advancing is if he acts like a joke entrant. Which is entirely possible. Honestly, the match pic completely killed my confidence in Mr. Game & Watch since he looks like the least recognizable character there, but then again maybe that's because I was expecting Mr. Game & Watch to draw the pose he has in his main SSBM/B concept art.

Still though, the idea of Mr. Game & Watch doing anything but coming in last there just doesn't sound right to me.

Lee Everett shouldn't really be comparable to Booker DeWitt since he's more important to his game (not to mention it's a cel-shaded adult male vs. two weird things, instead of a weird thing vs. two generic males like in Gilgamesh's match), and Mr. Game & Watch shouldn't be comparable to Gilgamesh. Also IIRC no one actually likes Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. He's all Brawl, and we all know how characters like that perform.

Is there a character who is low-tier in their pre-Brawl SSB appearances, but who is still a decent midcarder? Mr. Game & Watch could potentially be the first character to do that.
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#388 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:02:33 AM | message detail
Mr Game and Watch is going to crush next match. I have no idea why he isn't the favorite. It's a character from Smash Bros vs two indie game characters.

G&W could break 50% using similar logic to why Yoshimitsu is winning this match.
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#389 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 1:07:04 AM | message detail | (edited)
Yoshimitsu spans an entire long-running series, while Mr. Game & Watch is all Brawl (no one likes him in Melee, as I said). I don't see how that's comparable. Never mind that everyone used similar excuses to make Groose the favorite for this match (It's a Zelda character vs. Dynasty Warriors and Tekken! Super Meat Boy and The Walking Dead are definitely a step up in popularity from those two franchises, especially the latter).

Never mind that Game & Watch plays, at best, a marginal role in Brawl (and again, Melee doesn't count for him).

For that matter, a Zelda character bombing today to two entrants whose series have never shown strength gives hope to a SSB character bombing tomorrow.
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#390 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:05:55 AM | message detail
I have to say I'm loving watching Yoshimitsu obliterate the poll with this block. It feels like what Alucard is supposed to be. Dude's drawing ~50% updates regularly in a match where he started with just over 1/3.
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#391 | Achromatic | Posted 8/3/2013 1:06:34 AM | message detail
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#392 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:06:58 AM | message detail
It's comparable because it's "that guy from a game I've actually played" vs "who" and "what"

This is why Yoshimitsu is winning this match. And this is why G&W is going to walk away with tomorrow's match.
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#393 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 1:08:21 AM | message detail
Well I guess me having actually played Super Meat Boy helps.

Still, it's a Brawl-only character. That kind of character has consistently flopped in the past.
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#394 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:09:20 AM | message detail
Uh Game and Watch is in melee, dude.
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#395 | Denzokuken | Posted 8/3/2013 1:10:36 AM | message detail
So new characters just all suck.

...Good luck Lee Everett!
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#396 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2013 1:11:15 AM | message detail
Like I said, G&W not winning would be the upset of the round to me. I could (and did) see Kefka snagging first over Zack and Hayabusa. I can see people finally developing a belated affinity for Drake to get him edging out Pac, though it's hard.

G&W not winning would contradict almost everything I thought I knew about GameFAQs. It just seems impossible.
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#397 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:15:18 AM | message detail
For you and me both, KH. I actually sorta humored Kefka too and if I hadn't gone ninja I probably would've went him before Zack. (though it would've been me picking a feasible upset for the sake of picking an upset, admittedly)

G&W not winning would completely blindside me. Hell G&W not being 10% ahead of the nearest guy without some weird ass Meat Boy rally would surprise me. That's the match where the guru consensus makes zero sense to me... well, this match too, but that one moreso because at least ZELDAFEAR makes more sense than literally supporting an indie character to win a match.
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#398 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 8/3/2013 1:32:33 AM | message detail
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IIRC no one actually likes Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. He's all Brawl, and we all know how characters like that perform.

Are you seriously arguing that gameplay strength has a major impact on CB strength?
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#399 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 8/3/2013 1:33:31 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Like I said, G&W not winning would be the upset of the round to me. I could (and did) see Kefka snagging first over Zack and Hayabusa. I can see people finally developing a belated affinity for Drake to get him edging out Pac, though it's hard.

G&W not winning would contradict almost everything I thought I knew about GameFAQs. It just seems impossible.


It's not impossible if you assume voters don't see G&W as Smash but instead see him as 'G&W', if that makes any sense. If the original Game and Watch games entered a games contest we'd all rightly be calling for them to be piss-weak and challenge Chester and Tanner. By extension, the character itself should be beyond bad because he doesn't have a super appealing design to fall back on and his real games are complete zeroes.

Of course, this just isn't happening even if G&W loses, but yeah.
#400 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 8/3/2013 1:37:38 AM | message detail
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
IIRC no one actually likes Mr. Game & Watch in Melee. He's all Brawl, and we all know how characters like that perform.

Are you seriously arguing that gameplay strength has a major impact on CB strength?


As he said in his posts, he doesn't like him in Melee, so he's pretending that the character has only been in 1 game.


Not a very strong argument.
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