Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1089

#301 | Justin_Crossing | Posted 8/2/2013 10:30:30 PM | message detail
lol groose
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#302 | lightsout06 | Posted 8/2/2013 10:30:38 PM | message detail
Dilated Chemist posted...
Batman > Link


i 2nd this
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#303 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 8/2/2013 10:37:51 PM | message detail
Every Zelda character has disappointed so far

Tingle lost to a crying potato, Link did bad, Midna struggled with Little Mac, Epons disappointed and now this goose guy is in dead last
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#304 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 8/2/2013 10:38:12 PM | message detail
While it would be awesome to see a Link/Batman bonus match, some people would be against that idea because it would spoil Batman's strength before he actually appears in a Fictional Character Battle.
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#305 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 10:39:02 PM | message detail
I don't think Groose is last because of Zelda. I think he's last because half the voters don't know what game he's from.
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#306 | Lopen | Posted 8/2/2013 10:39:52 PM | message detail
I wonder how many people rooting for Lu Bu to win actually like the guy and how many just want the Yoshimitsu pickers to miss too.

Anyway cool to see Groose in 3rd. I knew the guy was a b8 creation when I didn't even know who he was till after brackets locked.
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#307 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 8/2/2013 10:40:05 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
I don't think Groose is last because of Zelda. I think he's last because half the voters don't know what game he's from.


I'm pretty sure more people have played Skyward Sword than Dynasty Wars on this site
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#308 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 8/2/2013 10:41:43 PM | message detail
Groose is really dying now. Lost almost a full percent in 20 minutes
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#309 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 10:41:59 PM | message detail
More people playing Skyward Sword than all the Dynasty Warriors games combined? I'm not so sure about that!
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#310 | Lopen | Posted 8/2/2013 10:42:04 PM | message detail
Wouldn't be so sure on that. Dynasty Warriors the complete series vs just Skyward Sword? I think it's pretty close.
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#311 | Lopen | Posted 8/2/2013 10:42:21 PM | message detail
KARMA HUNTER'D
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#312 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 8/2/2013 10:44:15 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
I wonder how many people rooting for Lu Bu to win actually like the guy and how many just want the Yoshimitsu pickers to miss too.

Anyway cool to see Groose in 3rd. I knew the guy was a b8 creation when I didn't even know who he was till after brackets locked.


what if you just want to watch everything burn
#313 | Sorozone | Posted 8/2/2013 10:44:36 PM | message detail
Nice try Groose, but you're done. Not the match I was expecting to get wrong in this division, but let's hope it's the only one. Drake is going to fail me too isn't he?
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#314 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 8/2/2013 10:45:50 PM | message detail
Sorozone posted...
Nice try Groose, but you're done. Not the match I was expecting to get wrong in this division, but let's hope it's the only one. Drake is going to fail me too isn't he?


Drake is a generic McDude. He's going to get his ass kicked. The only generic McDude that has strength is Solid Snake
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#315 | Lopen | Posted 8/2/2013 10:46:26 PM | message detail
Unfortunately I'm only getting +2 on this match. I went Yoshimitsu - NO PICK - Lu Bu because I wasn't even feeling that confident Lu Bu would be #3 here. Beats -6 though!

I guess Lu Bu could theoretically take #1 though. I like Yoshimitsu though cause he seems to be winning in most of Europe pretty decisively.
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#316 | NachoSwordsman | Posted 8/2/2013 10:47:01 PM | message detail
Sorozone posted...
Nice try Groose, but you're done. Not the match I was expecting to get wrong in this division, but let's hope it's the only one. Drake is going to fail me too isn't he?


Yes G&W is going to take it in a slightly close match with Meat man
#317 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 10:48:34 PM | message detail
Drake isn't in the match with G&W...
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#318 | Qwaar | Posted 8/2/2013 10:49:45 PM | message detail
Once again I change everything at the last minute ans suffer for it.
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#319 | TyrekeEvans13 | Posted 8/2/2013 10:49:49 PM | message detail
Another cut for Lu Bu

Keep it up!
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#320 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 10:51:57 PM | message detail
Lu Bu's few cuts don't turn into trends. Yoshi should coast through the night I think.
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#321 | TyrekeEvans13 | Posted 8/2/2013 10:53:33 PM | message detail
If Luster's chart for DW still holds true today, Lu Bu should be getting better in the next hour
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#322 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 10:55:43 PM | message detail
Games aren't characters. Inadmissible information.
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#323 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/2/2013 10:55:51 PM | message detail
Dr_Coffee posted...
vcharon posted...
I don't think Groose is last because of Zelda. I think he's last because half the voters don't know what game he's from.


I'm pretty sure more people have played Skyward Sword than Dynasty Wars on this site


I highly doubt that
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#324 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 10:58:48 PM | message detail | (edited)
As for Drake, I still feel confident he can get the job done this time. But he fools me every time he's in the contest. I don't get him at all. 3 well received games, both critically and by fans alike, and he is a memorable character with great personality.

He's always been an enigma. It's right up Pac-Man's alley to take out guys like Drake though (ala Ocelot).
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#325 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:02:17 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
As for Drake, I still feel confident he can get the job done this time. But he fools me every time he's in the contest. I don't get him at all. 3 well received games, both critically and by fans alike, and he is a memorable character with great personality.

He's always been an enigma. It's right up Pac-Man's alley to take out guys like Drake though (ala Ocelot).


This site stopped playing games in like 2006

...or are you not seeing what's happening to Groose
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#326 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 11:02:49 PM | message detail
Groose sucks though. I was talking about a cool character!
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#327 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/2/2013 11:06:02 PM | message detail
cmonnnnn Lu Bu
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#328 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:06:31 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
Groose sucks though. I was talking about a cool character!


No one on the site would know if they haven't played his games though! Uncharted isn't exactly in GameFAQs's wheelhouse, either.
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#329 | vcharon | Posted 8/2/2013 11:07:32 PM | message detail
Shepard has some crazy strength for a guy that starred in a game no one played! :P
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#330 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:09:10 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
Shepard has some crazy strength for a guy that starred in a game no one played! :P


the exception that proves the rule

also ME *is* in our wheelhouse
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#331 | creativename | Posted 8/2/2013 11:17:59 PM | message detail
Groose must be lost and cannot find this fabled wheelhouse...since Zelda pretty much is the wheelhouse defining franchise!

Also I have no faith in either Drake or Pac-Man. Which is the story of like 1/4th of these first round matches. Zero faith options vs. negative faith options.
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#332 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/2/2013 11:21:42 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
kinsho3 posted...
The one thing that'll kill so many gurus in this division is this notion that newer characters have any sort of strength. So far, new characters have by and large disappointed. Elizabeth disappointed against Poison. Booker lost in embarrassing fashion. Clementine didn't really impress all too much against the likes of Spyro. And now, Groose is not only losing, but he's almost dead set to end this match of weaklings in last place.

This all but spells out bad things for Lee Everett. His chances have literally downgraded from a slim shot to a razor-thin sliver of hope.

I don't see Nathan Drake being hurt by this, though. Nathan, like Ezio and Shepard, have been around for a while and have had the benefit of having multiple hits under their belts. I think he'll be fine.


Difference is that Drake, unlike Ezio and Shep, has never shown any semblance of actual strength.


True, but Drake has had a big sequel since the last contest. And it doesn't take much to beat Pac-Man, in all honesty.


Not only that, but Uncharted 2 was extremely new last contest - now that game is considered to be a modern classic.
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#333 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/2/2013 11:27:44 PM | message detail
Also Ulti's opinion of post-2003 Zelda was always going to veer off the rails since he doesn't like Ocarina of Time nearly as much as its critical praise shows.

And for what it's worth, Skyward Sword is generally considered to be one of the weaker games in the series nowadays. Two fairly major YouTube countdown artists posted a review of Skyward Sword recently going into all its flaws (however, both of them have the same favorite Zelda and it's...Wind Waker. Commence the Ulti rant! Oh, and Wind Waker is my favorite Zelda too, although Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are practically equal).
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#334 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/2/2013 11:32:02 PM | message detail
Woke up to incoming -6 in expert
Great
JUST HOW WEAK ARE YOU GROOSE
Could be an easy +6 if only he was stronger
#335 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:32:34 PM | message detail
why does it always come to Youtube countdowns

how long has LMS been using this as the basis of his arguments

is this the most focused and elaborate troll this side of "people will vote for Groose"

GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE
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#336 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/2/2013 11:34:58 PM | message detail
LinkLegend27 posted...
Twilight Princess was a good Zelda game. And believe it or not, Four Swords Adventures was a ton of fun..


It's pointless to defend against anyone who says that post-N64 Zelda is crap. Sure, there are quite a few people like that on this board, but it's ENTIRELY to counteract the massive popularity of those games. Never mind that Ulti's not particularly big on Ocarina of Time anyway - this definitely affects his view of the series.

My top three are Wind Waker, Majora's Mask, and Ocarina of Time, with Twilight Princess not too far behind and A Link to the Past quite a fair ways behind. My understanding is that most of the "post-N64 Zelda sucks" people just didn't like it when their series' open-world structure started to get phased out, which is fine. Everyone looks for something different in their games. Me, personally, I find LTTP to be pretty bland in comparison to the other four Zeldas I've played, but then again I'm generally focused on what makes a game unique and/or special and that leads me to liking lots of games that get a noticeable amount of hate (e.g. I'm a huge fan of Super Mario Sunshine and Metroid: Other M).

I'll say it right now: in my opinion, A Link to the Past is the most overrated game of all time.
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#337 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/2/2013 11:39:39 PM | message detail | (edited)
Karma Hunter posted...
why does it always come to Youtube countdowns

how long has LMS been using this as the basis of his arguments

is this the most focused and elaborate troll this side of "people will vote for Groose"

GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE


WTF, I picked Yoshimitsu to win this, and I only brought the countdown ARTISTS (not even an actual countdown) into the discussion just to cite an example of how Skyward Sword seems to be considered to be one of the weaker entries in the series.

That being said, I'll post rabbidluigi's and Animalguy001's joint Top 10 Zelda games countdown:

10) Zelda II
9) Link's Awakening
8) A Link to the Past
7) Spirit Tracks
6) The Minish Cap
5) Twilight Princess
4) Skyward Sword
3) Ocarina of Time
2) Majora's Mask
1) The Wind Waker

Also Zelda II honestly looks like a boring-ass game to me. So does Darksiders, which looks like it bastardizes both Zelda AND God of War.
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#338 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:40:22 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
why does it always come to Youtube countdowns

how long has LMS been using this as the basis of his arguments

is this the most focused and elaborate troll this side of "people will vote for Groose"

GROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE


WTF, I picked Yoshimitsu to win this, and I only brought the countdown ARTISTS (not even an actual countdown) into the discussion just to cite an example of how Skyward Sword seems to be considered to be one of the weaker entries in the series.

That being said, I'll post rabbidluigi's and Animalguy001's joint Top 10 Zelda games countdown:

10) Zelda II
9) Link's Awakening
8) A Link to the Past
7) Spirit Tracks
6) The Minish Cap
5) Twilight Princess
4) Skyward Sword
3) Ocarina of Time
2) Majora's Mask
1) The Wind Waker

Also Zelda II honestly looks like a boring-ass game to me. So does Darksiders, which looks like it bastardizes both Zelda AND God of War.


I'm dying
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#339 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/2/2013 11:42:11 PM | message detail
And believe it or not, I was initially HAPPY to see Groose and his game get humiliated as well. Part of me wants to say that Ulti kinda ruined it, but...it's Ulti. You don't mess with him.
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#340 | AppreciateTrees | Posted 8/2/2013 11:42:43 PM | message detail
My god.
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#341 | HaRRicH | Posted 8/2/2013 11:42:53 PM | message detail
This division's a killer. Great job, SB...and terrible job, my bracket.


I've suspected for awhile LoZ:SS did so well in the 2011-GotY due to its reputation from people who didn't play it, much like what it looks like happened with Xenoblade. I'd expect something similar with Super Mario Galaxy 2, too -- really, any big game on the Wii after SSBB and probably Mario Kart Wii had a higher support-to-playership ratio than normal. This might be the best example of blind Nintendo-support we have. For all of the Wii's sales, how many people played the Wii regularly after 2008?

Groose isn't exactly the best measuring stick, but losing to Yoshimitsu and Lu Bu supports the idea. I'd take Batman: Arkham City to overturn its loss in 2011's GotY to LoZ:SS, at any rate.
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#342 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/2/2013 11:43:32 PM | message detail
"Countdown artist" is an absurd title for someone to have

There's no art in ranking some stuff
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#343 | Lopen | Posted 8/2/2013 11:48:10 PM | message detail
Darksiders where did this even come from that's impressive even for LMS
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#344 | SliceSabre | Posted 8/2/2013 11:49:07 PM | message detail
These next battles coming up are going to be a grand test.

For I had no freaking idea who to pick. I mean dear lord I still haven't heard a good argument for or against certain characters for the Lee Everett v. Meat Boy v. Mr. Game & Watch.

I went with Game & Watch which is probably the dumb choice but hey, whatever.
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#345 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:53:43 PM | message detail
I still am absolutely flabbergasted that Groose can't break 28% in a match on ZeldaFAQs. On a site where Link is probably still going to blow the doors off of whoever's in the finals with him while Mario is tugging at his skirt, he can't find a third of the site to carry a Skyward Sword character over two other characters who likely have sub-50% name recognition?

I mean my goodness I would have taken, like, Tetra to obliterate this match. Mido. Navi. what
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#346 | Bospsychopaat | Posted 8/2/2013 11:53:46 PM | message detail
Ugh, why did I listen to the board on this one? Should have known better.
#347 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/2/2013 11:54:05 PM | message detail
I nominated Death from Darksiders 2.
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#348 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/2/2013 11:57:16 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I still am absolutely flabbergasted that Groose can't break 28% in a match on ZeldaFAQs. On a site where Link is probably still going to blow the doors off of whoever's in the finals with him while Mario is tugging at his skirt, he can't find a third of the site to carry a Skyward Sword character over two other characters who likely have sub-50% name recognition?

I mean my goodness I would have taken, like, Tetra to obliterate this match. Mido. Navi. what


Lu Bu you can definitely argue as being not very recognizable, but Yoshimitsu is a pretty seasoned video game character. NostalgiaFAQs is the definitive factor in several of these Round 1 debated matchups.
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#349 | Lopen | Posted 8/2/2013 11:58:46 PM | message detail
Yeah Yoshimitsu is pretty well known. Even people who don't play Tekken or Soul Calibur might know who he is. I'd also argue that over 50% of the site has played at least one of the two and he's in all of them I think.
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#350 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 11:59:28 PM | message detail
Masato_Tanaka posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I still am absolutely flabbergasted that Groose can't break 28% in a match on ZeldaFAQs. On a site where Link is probably still going to blow the doors off of whoever's in the finals with him while Mario is tugging at his skirt, he can't find a third of the site to carry a Skyward Sword character over two other characters who likely have sub-50% name recognition?

I mean my goodness I would have taken, like, Tetra to obliterate this match. Mido. Navi. what


Lu Bu you can definitely argue as being not very recognizable, but Yoshimitsu is a pretty seasoned video game character. NostalgiaFAQs is the definitive factor in several of these Round 1 debated matchups.


I would be extremely iffy taking GameFAQs to be 50%+ playrate on SC+Tekken. Even less so on recognizing Yoshimitsu - and he's probably going to validate that sentiment and look ridiculously worthless next round.
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