Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1089

#451 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 8/3/2013 4:48:29 AM | message detail
If Donkey Kong isn't against complete fodder, don't pick him is my rule. Falco being there doesn't help, and I would've picked Lightning without second thought even if Donkey Kong didn't always choke.
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#452 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 4:48:58 AM | message detail
From 34% (let's ignore the 37.50 he got after the freeze) to 25% and sinking
This is truly pathetic
#453 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:50:11 AM | message detail
Falco being there is what makes the match a no brainer, unless we think DKCR means DK can suddenly look impressive with another Nintendo character in the match.
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#454 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 4:51:48 AM | message detail | (edited)
To be fair, Donkey Kong surprised us during Rivalry Rumble. If DK advances anyway, then...

...he fooled us once, shame on him. But if he fools us twice, shame on us. And considering how Kefka decided to surprise us again while Magus 60-40'd a character some of us picked him to lose to, maybe all the usual "chokers" will end up doing the opposite for once.
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#455 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:52:15 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
To be fair, Donkey Kong surprised us during Rivalry Rumble.


No, he didn't.
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#456 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 4:55:18 AM | message detail
Lightning is going to be the strongest character that was created in the last 6 years or so
Why people underestimate her? she could even beat DK while being leeched (by..say,Baltheir)
#457 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 4:56:51 AM | message detail
I just realized that in the past few days, Ulti has given his extreme opinions on StarCraft II and post-N64 Zelda. Those happen to be the exact same franchises that were in the finals of G4's best series contest, and the same series that produced the games that won G4's 2010/2011 GOTY contests.

By now, they might as well be the two franchises with the most rally-happy fanbases on the Internet, or at least the ones that pay the most attention to contests (although G4 is probably the only crime scene). On unikgamer, thankfully, StarCraft II is not ranked all that high (#89 compared to #63 for the original StarCraft). On the other hand, Wind Waker is #25 in the site's overall rankings while Twilight Princess is #46 (to put this in context, Super Mario Bros. 3 is #26, Final Fantasy VI is #33, Melee is #30, Super Metroid is #36, Metroid Prime is #50, Super Mario Galaxy is #47, and Super Mario Galaxy 2 is #57. And Shadow of the Colossus is #18).
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#458 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 4:57:46 AM | message detail
No matter how many times you post stuff like that, it's not going to make people magically start caring.
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#459 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 4:59:00 AM | message detail
Lightning vs Shepard vs Ezio
You know what,this might actually be a good match
#460 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:00:16 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Lightning is going to be the strongest character that was created in the last 6 years or so
Why people underestimate her? she could even beat DK while being leeched (by..say,Baltheir)


People underestimate her because she's a divisive character. There's no way she'd be on the same level as true current-gen faces like Commander Shepard, Ezio, Nathan Drake, and GLaDOS, or at least no way she SHOULD be.

Oh and if you want to throw around the whole idea of recent characters not doing well, Lightning's in trouble. And then if you want to think that Ryu Hayabusa underperformed because of Ninja Gaiden III and that Big Daddy underperformed because of BioShock 2...

Also the pic for that match gives me no confidence in Lightning. Basically, there's A LOT going against her. Meanwhile, characters like Donkey Kong have impressed all contest (assuming DK is in the same league as the likes of Crash and Spyro, in terms of being an old-school icon).
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#461 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:00:44 AM | message detail
It'd be interesting to see how they stack up against each other, but I don't think Lightning would win.

Well, I guess we should wait until we see Ezio and Lightning in action (although we won't really get an idea of what Light is worth unless she somehow gets past round 2) and find out what Shepard's really worth when he faces Aerith next round.
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#462 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:01:11 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
No matter how many times you post stuff like that, it's not going to make people magically start caring.


It was just an example to cite how dronish Zelda fans can be. Even as a huge fan of that series, it makes me sick anyway.
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#463 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:01:25 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
There's no way she'd be on the same level as true current-gen faces like Commander Shepard, Ezio, Nathan Drake, and GLaDOS, or at least no way she SHOULD be.


you realize there's a big gap between the strongest and weakest character in that listing right

actually you probably don't
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#464 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:02:13 AM | message detail
Also people are NOT going to vote for a generic anime chick over a gaming icon.
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#465 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:02:42 AM | message detail
#466 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:03:05 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
There's no way she'd be on the same level as true current-gen faces like Commander Shepard, Ezio, Nathan Drake, and GLaDOS, or at least no way she SHOULD be.


you realize there's a big gap between the strongest and weakest character in that listing right

actually you probably don't


Well I wasn't thinking about that. I was just citing all those characters as being practically the faces of major current-gen franchises - or at least, they WERE.
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#467 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:06:31 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Please stop proudly flaunting your ignorance.


I was just looking at the pic for that match. It gives me no confidence in Lightning. (or now I don't know, but DK still wins the eye test there easily)

Then again, I'm 1 for 2 on gut picks based on the match pics. I got Gilgamesh wrong, but Yoshimitsu right. When you consider that both cases were old-school characters beating newer characters, well, that's another strike against Lightning.
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#468 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:07:56 AM | message detail
When you consider that what you're saying has nothing to do with anything, that's another strike against you!
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#469 | Achromatic | Posted 8/3/2013 5:08:35 AM | message detail
Did you just call someone who is literally dressed up as Cloud Strife, the second most popular character on this site, "generic"?
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#470 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:10:53 AM | message detail
Hay guys that Link dude looks like some Tolkien generic elf *@#$

Link GOIN DOWN
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#471 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:12:13 AM | message detail
What's NOT generic about Lightning?

Man, why am I asking this to you guys? I have a good friend online who's a huge fan of Lightning and her games (FFXIII is his 2nd favorite FF, behind XII, and Lightning is his favorite FF character). I can just ask him.

Still uh I would like an answer.
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#472 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:13:28 AM | message detail
Yeah you wouldn't want to wait till your friend's next Q&A show to get the answer
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#473 | Achromatic | Posted 8/3/2013 5:13:31 AM | message detail
Let's starts with everything. Lightning is one of the least generic characters in quite some time from the final fantasy series.

Also as for the picture she is literally dressed up like Cloud.
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#474 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 5:13:52 AM | message detail
Please don't mention "THE CLOUD OUTFIT FACTOR" (for lack of better name)
This is dumb
#475 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:14:50 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lopen posted...
Hay guys that Link dude looks like some Tolkien generic elf *@#$

Link GOIN DOWN


Somehow I don't feel that way about Link.
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#476 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:14:12 AM | message detail
Please feel free to ask your good online friend most things instead of asking us.

You can ask him what "generic" means while you're at it.
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#477 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:15:15 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Characters like her have been bombing all contest without exception.


You're wrong.

But then again you're the master of false correlations, so that tends to happen.
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#478 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:18:50 AM | message detail
By characters like her, I mean:

-Characters whose most recent game received a lot of backlash (Ryu Hayabusa and Big Daddy).
-Characters from recent games.

Although I guess that last point can be seen as kinda dumb seeing how I'm championing both Lee AND Meat Boy over Mr. Game & Watch...this is different. It's the protagonist of a divisive game (and from what I heard, she's not even really the protagonist! Her game has an ensemble cast, and then she doesn't show up much at all in the sequel), vs. a gaming icon, not a late unlockable in two fighting games vs. the main characters of two of the most popular games of the last few years.
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#479 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 8/3/2013 5:19:26 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
To be fair, Donkey Kong surprised us during Rivalry Rumble. If DK advances anyway, then...

...he fooled us once, shame on him. But if he fools us twice, shame on us. And considering how Kefka decided to surprise us again while Magus 60-40'd a character some of us picked him to lose to, maybe all the usual "chokers" will end up doing the opposite for once.


Kefka didn't always choke the same way Donkey Kong or Magus has done. Kefka surprised us positively too, he just didn't seem to make much sense.
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#480 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:19:26 AM | message detail
By characters like her I mean characters who fall within such a broad range of characteristics that you could literally put half the characters in the contest into it
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#481 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:20:03 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Please feel free to ask your good online friend most things instead of asking us.

You can ask him what "generic" means while you're at it.


I dunno on that last point. I think the problem I have is that Lightning looks like she could come from any generic-anime based game, while, to cite another example, Link doesn't really look like someone from other works of fiction.
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#482 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:20:29 AM | message detail
Man you realize you're comparing Lightning to two dudes who basically get votes entirely off their design, right.

Or have you just abandoned the generic approach and want to try and spin some other thing to attack Lightning now?
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#483 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:21:23 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I think the problem I have is that Lightning looks like she could come from any generic-anime based game


stop saying things you know nothing about

I know you're so desperate to have everyone like you that you just spout out things you think people want you to say but trying to sound knowledgeable when you're really not isn't the way to get people to like you
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#484 | Achromatic | Posted 8/3/2013 5:21:25 AM | message detail
Actually, better question.

Do you know what anime looks like?
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#485 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:23:55 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I think the problem I have is that Lightning looks like she could come from any generic-anime based game


stop saying things you know nothing about

I know you're so desperate to have everyone like you that you just spout out things you think people want you to say but trying to sound knowledgeable when you're really not isn't the way to get people to like you


It seems that you're under the impression that I made up that view on the spot. I didn't - that's how I've felt for the past few months at least.
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#486 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:24:52 AM | message detail
It seems you're under the impression that I care about what you think about anything. I don't. That's how I've felt for the last three years at least.
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#487 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:26:47 AM | message detail
lms instead of faking knowledge for approval you should try faking wit. It tends to work around here.

You can't fact check bad jokes I think you could be a star.
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#488 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:26:54 AM | message detail
Then you wouldn't bother replying to my posts.
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#489 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:27:42 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Then you wouldn't bother replying to my posts.


Not how it works, but nice try.

Lopen posted...
You can't fact check bad jokes I think you could be a star.


Pffft, you can totally fact check bad jokes.
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#490 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/3/2013 5:28:09 AM | message detail
ctesjbuvf posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
To be fair, Donkey Kong surprised us during Rivalry Rumble. If DK advances anyway, then...

...he fooled us once, shame on him. But if he fools us twice, shame on us. And considering how Kefka decided to surprise us again while Magus 60-40'd a character some of us picked him to lose to, maybe all the usual "chokers" will end up doing the opposite for once.


Kefka didn't always choke the same way Donkey Kong or Magus has done. Kefka surprised us positively too, he just didn't seem to make much sense.


When did Kefka do anything surprising that was to his benefit, other than overperforming against Knuckles in 2004 and his entire 2010 run?
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#491 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:28:36 AM | message detail
Yeah well I wouldn't know I've just heard about them, ya know.
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#492 | PoncedeLeonhart | Posted 8/3/2013 5:29:26 AM | message detail
You've inspired at least one bad joke in your time here...!
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#493 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:31:25 AM | message detail
EVERLASTING TORMENT

UNDYING HATRED

PONCEDING THE SOUL TO DARKNESS
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#494 | Lopen | Posted 8/3/2013 5:35:28 AM | message detail
So I wonder if Yoshimitsu starts slowing down or Groose just joke vote trends his ass into everyone rising all match
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#495 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:37:17 AM | message detail
Groose hasn't had an hour matching his current percentage in 5-6 hours. He's probably going to keep falling until the match ends.

Same is true of Yoshimitsu, but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Lu Bu's been pretty stable, actually. Most of Yoshimitsu's percentage gain has come at Groose's expense.
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#496 | LeonhartFour | Posted 8/3/2013 5:38:22 AM | message detail
In fact, Lu Bu is only .05% off of where he was at the end of the Power Hour, so yeah.
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#497 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/3/2013 5:46:59 AM | message detail
Just get this topic to 500 already
#498 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 8/3/2013 5:47:17 AM | message detail
Crap, I went to bed after the freeze. Never trust the board vote.
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#499 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 8/3/2013 5:47:50 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ctesjbuvf posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
To be fair, Donkey Kong surprised us during Rivalry Rumble. If DK advances anyway, then...

...he fooled us once, shame on him. But if he fools us twice, shame on us. And considering how Kefka decided to surprise us again while Magus 60-40'd a character some of us picked him to lose to, maybe all the usual "chokers" will end up doing the opposite for once.


Kefka didn't always choke the same way Donkey Kong or Magus has done. Kefka surprised us positively too, he just didn't seem to make much sense.


When did Kefka do anything surprising that was to his benefit, other than overperforming against Knuckles in 2004 and his entire 2010 run?


You realize you that you already named two things? And in your book they don't count or what? Anyway, there's also the villain contest. A good bunch thought he'd lose to Wesker, he destroyed him.
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#500 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/3/2013 5:47:56 AM | message detail
Do not pursue Lu Bu.
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