Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1088

#301 | swordz9 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:15:10 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Man.

Dissidia really does boost everything.


This is what made me switch too because I forgot about the second game. Can't believe a freakin PSP game has done as much as KHF for some people.

And that also means we should have gotten Laguna in dammit

Seeing Laguna would've been nice, but he would've been robbed by being put against another FF character just like Seifer and Rinoa I bet >_>
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#302 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/2/2013 9:15:24 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
Dang, maybe I don't have to wait for Blue in order to make up that Otacon miss. Hopefully everyone else was as big on Booker as you guys were.


Among the top tiers? Expect utter destruction today. The hivemind giveth and it taketh away.


Not for me! I saw the tides shifting from old Square/Dissidia lookin' good and Big Daddy losing to Lloyd/Elizabeth barely beating a SFxT/FF character, and the consensus in this thread changed to Gilg. My expert bracket leaderboard position survives another day!
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#303 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:15:28 AM | message detail
Character-wise, FF5 now has two wins to FF4's zero. Of course, Cecil may very well even that up this contest. And maybe Boko will impress after this showing.

Still, way to go Gilgamesh. F***ing deserve that win.
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#304 | TyrekeEvans13 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:15:53 AM | message detail
Were the majority really against Gilga?

He's one of the most recognizable FF standins... it would be like taking Booker over Cid in my eyes
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#305 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 9:15:56 AM | message detail
This site is practically begging Square for them to make their characters the top dogs again. Them screwing up as hard as they can is barely deflating them.
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#306 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:15:59 AM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Least Popular Night Polls
1. Lugia vs. Sly Cooper vs. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 22481
2. Gordon Freeman vs. Simon Belmont vs. Hades – Round 1 – 22609
3. Big Boss vs. Captain Viridian vs. Peacock – Round 1 – 23150
4. Dracula vs. Lucina vs. Caim – Round 1 – 23719
5. GlaDOS vs. Cole vs. Ragna the Bloodedge – Round 1 – 24282
6. Elizabeth vs. Poison vs. Thrall – Round 1 – 24651
7. Shadow the Hedgehog vs. Yu Narukami vs. Kat – Round 1 – 24941
8. Spyro the Dragon vs. Clementine vs. Reyn – Round 1 – 25235
9. Lara Croft vs. Slime vs. Yuri Hyuga – Round 1 – 25355
10. Sora vs. Scorpion vs. Aya Brea – Round 1 – 26222

Top 10 Least Impressive Night Winners
1. Elizabeth – Round 1 – 10217
2. Alucard – Round 1 – 10242
3. Tharja – Round 1 – 11016
4. Crash Bandicoot – Round 1 – 11242
5. Phoenix Wright – Round 1 – 11914
6. Sora – Round 1 – 12275
7. Gordon Freeman – Round 1 – 12353
8. Shadow the Hedgehog – Round 1 – 12411
9. Epona – Round 1 – 12989
10. Lugia – Round 1 – 13362

Top 10 Most Impressive Night Losers
1. Jak – Round 1 – 13191
2. Garrus Vakarian – Round 1 – 11143
3. Tiny Tina – Round 1 – 10753
4. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 10465
5. Captain Falcon – Round 1 – 10139
6. Wheatley – Round 1 – 9702
7. Marth – Round 1 – 9699
8. Scorpion – Round 1 – 9179
9. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 8651
10. Mordin Solus – Round 1 – 8564
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#307 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:16:42 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Character-wise, FF5 now has two wins to FF4's zero. Of course, Cecil may very well even that up this contest. And maybe Boko will impress after this showing.

Still, way to go Gilgamesh. F***ing deserve that win.


what other win does FF5 have?
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#308 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:17:03 AM | message detail
Even though Booker was the favorite with the gurus, I think Gilgamesh probably has more top tier expert picks.
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#309 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:17:36 AM | message detail
OK this is actually 171-74
70-30% for Booker
What
#310 | tennisboy213 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:17:39 AM | message detail
Wow, Kaim could get to 15% by the end.
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#311 | xp1337 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:17:47 AM | message detail
Yeah, to be perfectly honest I don't think this means much for the Expert leaderboard. The Bracket leaderboard probably gets hit hard but I'd be shocked if the Expert hivemind didn't jump ship to Gilgamesh some time ago.

...god. why can't i be patient in these things.
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#312 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 9:18:07 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
OK this is actually 171-74
70-30% for Booker
What


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#313 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/2/2013 9:18:16 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Even though Booker was the favorite with the gurus, I think Gilgamesh probably has more top tier expert picks.


The guru IS the top tier expert list.
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#314 | CP724 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:18:30 AM | message detail
I dont know why seifer and rinoa are here instead of laguna, hes easily the second strongest ff8 character
#315 | Nanis23 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:18:43 AM | message detail
Well yeah i'm also one of those "Got Booker in Bracket,Gilgamesh in Expert"
#316 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:18:48 AM | message detail
TyrekeEvans13 posted...
Were the majority really against Gilga?

He's one of the most recognizable FF standins... it would be like taking Booker over Cid in my eyes


His biggest game is FF5, though. He's been in a bunch of other FF games, sure, but he's a minor character in those.

Of course, time has been good to FF5, and slowly more and more people are realizing just what an awesome game it is, plus stuff like the Four Job Fiesta. Of course, Dissidia's still probably the biggest boost of strength.

I'm still surprised that Gilgamesh is kicking ass in a poll. Never thought I'd see the day that would happen, but I sure as hell am not complaining!
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#317 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/2/2013 9:19:02 AM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Yeah, to be perfectly honest I don't think this means much for the Expert leaderboard. The Bracket leaderboard probably gets hit hard but I'd be shocked if the Expert hivemind didn't jump ship to Gilgamesh some time ago.

...god. why can't i be patient in these things.


Yeah, I'm talking straight up bracket picks. I'm not doing the expert pick.
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#318 | charmander6000 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:19:13 AM | message detail
I agree, I think after Elizabeth relatively flopped the board went Gilgamesh's way.
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#319 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/2/2013 9:19:15 AM | message detail
PSP or no, the two Dissidia games are the most pirated on that system by a lot.
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#320 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 8/2/2013 9:19:17 AM | message detail
Damn Kaim. Two percent increases every time.
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#321 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/2/2013 9:19:46 AM | message detail
Oh wait, you meant the expert leaderboard, whoops.

Carry on.
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#322 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/2/2013 9:19:57 AM | message detail
Man Kaim is rising to the heavens now.
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#323 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/2/2013 9:20:00 AM | message detail
That's the great thing about Expert brackets, is that you aren't beholden to your pre-contest notions anymore. I had Booker in my bracket, but after seeing Old Square/Dissidia vs Elizabeth/Big Daddy's performance, I changed it.

Things change, perceptions change, voters don't pan out the way you thought pre-contest, etc. I think that's what makes it interesting
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#324 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:20:04 AM | message detail
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Character-wise, FF5 now has two wins to FF4's zero. Of course, Cecil may very well even that up this contest. And maybe Boko will impress after this showing.

Still, way to go Gilgamesh. F***ing deserve that win.


what other win does FF5 have?


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4515
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#325 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 8/2/2013 9:20:04 AM | message detail
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Character-wise, FF5 now has two wins to FF4's zero. Of course, Cecil may very well even that up this contest. And maybe Boko will impress after this showing.

Still, way to go Gilgamesh. F***ing deserve that win.


what other win does FF5 have?


Bartz and Gilgamesh defeating Guybrush and LeChuck in Rivalry Rumble.
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#326 | Gradieus | Posted 8/2/2013 9:20:21 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
tennisboy213 posted...
Even though Booker was the favorite with the gurus, I think Gilgamesh probably has more top tier expert picks.


The guru IS the top tier expert list.


Currently 5th on expert, flipped to booker>gil at last 2nd because of the dang "gurus" lol. Every time I go against my gut I lose blehhh.
#327 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:20:23 AM | message detail
Hah, same-time post and everything. Nice.
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#328 | swordz9 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:20:59 AM | message detail
I went with Gilgamesh for my bracket and expert. It's a shame my bracket has suffered too many losses due to unexpected Sony mascot performances and Zack flopping.
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#329 | Crossfiyah | Posted 8/2/2013 9:21:23 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
tennisboy213 posted...
Even though Booker was the favorite with the gurus, I think Gilgamesh probably has more top tier expert picks.


The guru IS the top tier expert list.


That can't be true. I've never done a guru in my life.
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#330 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:22:42 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lesson: Don't just go by Guru List for Expert Picks. Most gurus likely swapped to Gilgamesh > Booker after watching newer characters bomb hard while old Square characters kick ass.

Anyway, any takers for the Gilgamesh > Sora upset train? Anyone? We've already had Kefka > Cloud, so anything's possible!
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#331 | raginbull911 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:22:43 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Lesson: Don't just go by Guru List for Expert Picks. Most gurus likely swapped to Gilgamesh > Booker after watching newer characters bomb hard while old Square characters kick ass.

Anyway, any takers for the Gilgamesh > Sora upset train? Anyone?


Let's not get carried away, now.
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#332 | eaglesarebeasts | Posted 8/2/2013 9:23:54 AM | message detail
Thats dangerous thinking Not_Wylvane
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#333 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/2/2013 9:24:04 AM | message detail
so what about the rest of this screwy division. I still don't know who wins between Lu Bu and Yoshi
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#334 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:24:23 AM | message detail
I will ask again. If Dissidia games were on PS 3 would that be enough for Cloud to beat Link or at least Sephiroth to beat Snake?
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#335 | xp1337 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:25:33 AM | message detail | (edited)
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
That's the great thing about Expert brackets, is that you aren't beholden to your pre-contest notions anymore. I had Booker in my bracket, but after seeing Old Square/Dissidia vs Elizabeth/Big Daddy's performance, I changed it.

Things change, perceptions change, voters don't pan out the way you thought pre-contest, etc. I think that's what makes it interesting

Oh definitely, I don't even care about Bracket Challenge (and the fact that mine is dead has nothing to do with that, I promise!) Expert is just a lot more interesting because you can course-correct when other matches do things you might not have expected them to do.

Of course, I got impatient and frustrated that the hivemind mentality has kept me in the same spot a bit off the leaderboard and decided to pick against my gut here hoping to go big or go home... and well... I think I just went home. Now to enter the meltdown phase of my contest experience where I take increasingly stupid upsets to "get back into it" and just bury myself deeper! Draven > MMX > Ryu here we come!
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#336 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 8/2/2013 9:25:49 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
I will ask again. If Dissidia games were on PS 3 would that be enough for Cloud to beat Link or at least Sephiroth to beat Snake?


Cloud and Sephiroth were extremely well-known to begin with so probably not. Dissidia on PSP did absolutely nothing for them.
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#337 | Crossfiyah | Posted 8/2/2013 9:26:02 AM | message detail
If you think Booker > Scorpion then sure. Except don't think that.
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#338 | Karma Hunter | Posted 8/2/2013 9:27:34 AM | message detail | (edited)
This result gives me more confidence in Groose (...insofar as such a word can be applied to a character of his 'caliber').

I'll take Lu Bu > Yoshimitsu too because it feels like everyone who's played Dynasty Warriors will vote for the former. Yoshimitsu relies a lot more on 'default' votes I think.
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#339 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:26:09 AM | message detail
Dissidia doesn't seem to help FF7, or if it did it's not enough to counteract their decline. Of course, maybe a PS3 release would slow that descent, and considering Zelda's declining...

I don't think it'd be enough to spark either upset, though I think it'd result in both matches being much, much closer than they'd be right now. We'd really see some crazier performances from the more obscure FF games, though.
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#340 | Safer_777 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:26:39 AM | message detail
So Dissidia helped all characters that were in NES and SNES FF games then?
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#341 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/2/2013 9:26:40 AM | message detail
Every match in this division from here on is a total crapshoot.

I wouldn't really be surprised by anyone in the matches winning, besides Wolf.
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#342 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:27:02 AM | message detail
Also, now I want to see Warrior of Light make it into a contest.

And Bartz. Especially Bartz.
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#343 | AlecTrevelyan006 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:27:05 AM | message detail
My strategy of "new stuff probably flops" is going pretty well this year. This should bump me up the leaderboard nicely.

And then I'll be back off by the end of this division, but in the mean time it is nice!
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#344 | quicksilvver | Posted 8/2/2013 9:27:31 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Safer_777 posted...
What the gurus have for this match?Gilgamesh the favorite correct?


Booker DeWitt - 171 (69.80%)
Gilgamesh - 74 (30.20%)


Some gurus they are.
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#345 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/2/2013 9:28:27 AM | message detail | (edited)
My entire reasoning on Lu Bu > Yoshi is Dynasty Warriors 8 just came out and it's #1 on the Most Wanted FAQs/#1 PS3 message board, so there must be a fanbase for it right

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#346 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 8/2/2013 9:27:53 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So Dissidia helped all characters that were in NES and SNES FF games then?


Not just them, but it gave a nice boost to Zidane as well.
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#347 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 8/2/2013 9:28:14 AM | message detail
Groose is a great character!
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#348 | TyrekeEvans13 | Posted 8/2/2013 9:28:48 AM | message detail
Is Groose > Lu Bu the popular consensus here too?
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#349 | Qwaar | Posted 8/2/2013 9:29:24 AM | message detail
TyrekeEvans13 posted...
Is Groose > Lu Bu the popular consensus here too?


I have Lu Bu in last. Yoshimitsu will comfortably get second.
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#350 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 8/2/2013 9:30:25 AM | message detail
Skyward Sword can't be THAT unpopular here right

right
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