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Isn't that kind of what we expected? --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
So
Dog got rallied I'm taking it? I mean Kerrigan has been slowly
chipping away at most updates I've been seeing recently but yet
Missile's up 700. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Yeah,
4chan rallied for Missile. I mean, Missile was already winning when the
topic went up, but it'd probably be 50/50 right now without the rally. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Isn't that kind of what we expected? Considering there was pretty much unanimous support in the Expert for Kerrigan > Missile, no. --- sig |
Kerrigan was the heavy favorite to come in 2nd here. As I said before, Missile winning doesn't surprise me. My first thought upon seeing this match was "LOL Kerrigan might lose to a dog," but I didn't pull the trigger on it. --- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Sensui22/1248835958206.png |
I'm
pretty sure Kerrigan would be winning looking at the update chart,
though not comfortably at all. She's won most of the updates by 5-10
votes that weren't board vote or MASSIVE DOG INCREASE --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
FranzyvonKarma posted... TheOneAboveAll posted...FranzyvonKarma posted...This is the year where Magus beats Crono. hey as long as Link loses I can dig this. THE LAW GETS BROKEN IN 2013 ONE WAY OR ANOTHER! --- Die young and save yourself. Brace for the G's, and fast heel-toe work. |
Am
I the only one who thinks that Kerrigan's picture is absolutely awful?
I honestly feel that she would be doing better with a better pic. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
LeonhartFour posted... Yeah, 4chan rallied for Missile. I mean, Missile was already winning when the topic went up, but it'd probably be 50/50 right now without the rally. Topic went up before the match started, they were counting it down. http://img.imgcake.com/Smurf/vrallypngde.png It's only now we're seeing the match without rallying so its probable Kerrigan should be winning by a small margin. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic Fanboyism. |
That's Kerrigan's best pic she's ever gotten Well Brood War box art might be better but yeah. Starcraft fans are going to know what she is no matter which form she's in, may as well go with the more visually appealing one. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Turning
back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of
Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what).
Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're
above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I
don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo
totem pole. The question is how much you think he scores on Pika, I was expecting a 60-40 split before Magus throwing a wrench into things to let the rat squeeze through. --- sig |
I personally feel that this is the worst pic Kerrigan has ever gotten. In fact, I'll say it right here: it makes her look like yet another Generic McDude character. Well, the female equivalent at least. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Karma Hunter posted... Turning back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what). Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. Without looking at contest history (so this might be grossly wrong), I would think that Pikachu is fairly easily above Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. Pikachu's the most famous thing to come out of Pokemon, where as Yoshi is in the shadow of Mario, Luigi, and Bowser. --- I pwn you all! |
raginbull911 posted... Karma Hunter posted...Turning back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what). Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. Pika's the most famous thing to come out of Pokemon, but he's not the strongest, not be a longshot. Yoshi's always been up in the Bowser/Luigi tier, he beat Luigi once here (though consensus is that Luigi should get revenge in a rematch). --- sig |
raginbull911 posted... Karma Hunter posted...Turning back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what). Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. This just seems wrong to me. Pikachu and Yoshi feel kinda equivalent to me. Both are the heartmeltingly cute mascots of two big Nintendo series', and while Pikachu is the face of Pokemon, Yoshi is an extremely beloved part of Mario, undoubtedly a much bigger deal on any level. |
67% update hnnggh --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
The female equivalent to generic mcdude is better than what Kerrigan usually gets, though. She's just not very photogenic. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Karma Hunter posted... raginbull911 posted...Karma Hunter posted...Turning back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what). Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. You know...why do we think Pikachu is so much weaker than Charizard? It seems logical that at best their split would be the Cloud/Sephiroth one. I know, I know, Charizard had a silly run, but look at Pikachu's last performance in 2010 - that's easily comparable to Charizard's nonsense, considering it didn't benefit from a bandwagon effect and only pure pic factor. |
Looking
at contest history won't help. Pikachu's early contest history is
atrocious, while Yoshi actually pulled an upset in an SFF match. Although that actually isn't a bad barometer to use for how good Crono's performance is. Yoshi and Crono had a common opponent last contest, so theoretically we have a good recent comparison to make with them. ("Theoretically", because said common opponent was Missingno., and trying to compare character strengths through a rallied joke character is a fruitless endeavor.) --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Karma Hunter posted...raginbull911 posted...Karma Hunter posted...Turning back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what). Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. No, it's not, even slightly; Charizard's matches were far more impressive. Pikachu has lost without even putting up a fight to people like Luigi in recent contests, Charizard stormed through Bowser effortlessly. --- sig |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Looking at contest history won't help. Pikachu's early contest history is atrocious, while Yoshi actually pulled an upset in an SFF match. Even considering that, Crono did a lot better than Yoshi. Missingno needed to keep up rallies all day to keep the match with Crono even, Yoshi just rolled over and died after Missingno got the lead in his match. --- sig |
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Crono back over 60% Back into "good performance" territory --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
Karma Hunter posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...Karma Hunter posted...raginbull911 posted...Karma Hunter posted...Turning back a bit to Crono, it's pretty obvious he kicks the stuffing out of Pikachu, Yoshi snagged 60% on Solaire of Astora (who) and Demi-Fiend (what). Rallied Missile and post-SC2 Sarah Kerrigan aren't great, but they're above that competition by what should be a significant amount, and I don't think anyone here entertains Pikachu > Yoshi on the Nintendo totem pole. In what contest did Pikachu lose to Luigi that is recent? Are we talking about 2007/8 as if they matter? |
This
sounds a bit like revisionist history to me. Yoshi made cuts throughout
the day; Missingno. just pushed back harder after each one. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Also no way does Pikachu beat Yoshi on natural strength Yoshi has lost a step or two in recent years and it's been covered up by being behind Missingno in 2010 (Squall flat out embarrassed him in 2008), but he should still beat Pikachu. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonhjpguz.jpg |
KanzarisKelshen posted... In what contest did Pikachu lose to Luigi that is recent? Are we talking about 2007/8 as if they matter? Third most recent contest we have, bro. And Luigi would beat Pikachu by more now. --- http://gifsoup.com/view/477513/red-vs-blue-road-rage-part-1-o.gif http://gifsoup.com/view/477534/red-vs-blue-road-rage-part-2-o.gif |
But
really, the point is that SFF hierarchies don't see much change unless
we have a big demographic shift like what we saw in 2005-2006. That's
why Luigi went from being the bottom of the Yoshi/Bowser/Luigi trio to
probably being on top now. --- "The great GF...Bahamut." "...GF? I...? Using my powers...It is you humans...I fear..." |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... This sounds a bit like revisionist history to me. Yoshi made cuts throughout the day; Missingno. just pushed back harder after each one. Cuts that meant nothing, Yoshi was out of the match the second Missingno took the lead. Crono was fighting tooth and nail all day, if Missingno's "rally" power had let up for any significant period of time he would have won. --- sig |
LeonhartFour posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...In what contest did Pikachu lose to Luigi that is recent? Are we talking about 2007/8 as if they matter? Just to be sure I'm not getting it wrong, are we talking about this match? http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Master_Chief_vs_Luigi_vs_Pikachu_vs_Dante_2007 Because if so I don't see how this is a bad performance considering SFF is in the mix. For the record though... LeonhartFour posted... Also no way does Pikachu beat Yoshi on natural strength I agree with this too. I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF because Charizard is way overrated in the 2010 X-Stats and he STILL didn't do much better than Pikachu. 45% on Snake with huge pic factor advantage vs. 46% on Mario with full bandwagon effect going on. Why does the latter one get more credit than the former when most people assume Snake vs. Mario is more or less an even match? |
KanzarisKelshen posted... I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF whaaaaaat Also just about everybody acknowledges Charizard's performance on Mario isn't 100% legit. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
And
this is based on...what, exactly? Pikachu's natural strength has been
hidden for the most part, too, because lol4ways kept putting him in SFF
matches and then he got the always-unreliable "versus Solid Snake in the
Sprite Round" draw last time, but he's looked pretty good. 2007, yeah,
probably took advantage of other characters SFFing each other, but still
some damn nice wins. 2008...seriously? Yeah, given his early
competition, his numbers don't look so good, but he was the one
being LFFed in both of the first two rounds, and he still took two first
place finishes. The Adjusted 2010 X-Stats have Pikachu ahead of Yoshi;
remind me again who was in charge of those adjustments? That's right, you were. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Probably
because Snake's proven Solid **** has hurt him in the past. To put in
perspective, Bowser got 49.5% on him with that pic, and Frog got 48.5%.
Pikachu's 45% is kinda pedestrian in the face of things we've seen from
that before. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... The Adjusted 2010 X-Stats have Pikachu ahead of Yoshi; remind me again who was in charge of those adjustments? That's right, you were. Yes, and I openly admitted that Pikachu's and Yoshi's adjustments were 100% arbitrary because I had nothing solid to actually base their numbers on. I am aware that those numbers probably aren't accurate. I don't really need you looking down on me and telling me things about my data I am already well aware of. --- http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9919/leonhart.png |
guys calm down Pikachu will just break the 60% mark to end the discussion |
KanzarisKelshen posted... I agree with this too. I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF because Charizard is way overrated in the 2010 X-Stats and he STILL didn't do much better than Pikachu. 45% on Snake with huge pic factor advantage vs. 46% on Mario with full bandwagon effect going on. Why does the latter one get more credit than the former when most people assume Snake vs. Mario is more or less an even match? Because Charizard did more impressive things in his run than Pikachu ever has. He 55-45'd a God of War 3 Game Fuel'd Kratos. He got as much on L-Block as Pika got on Commander Shepard who was basically just running on ME1. He beat BOWSER, effortlessly. Pikachu has to show me he's not still rolling to the likes of Leon Kennedy and Luigi to put him up there. --- sig |
...remind me again why this argument is even focused on Pikachu in the first place? ...oh, right, because Chrono Trigger declining apparently isn't enough, and by the insane way this bracket was constructed, actually helps Crono because a stronger CT crew means Magus is in the match. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Also
it's not my job to make stats based on what I think. It's my job to
make stats based on the available data, so I don't always agree with
what the data spits out. I just put it on paper (proverbially speaking,
of course). --- http://i52.tinypic.com/2zfiu09.gif http://i54.tinypic.com/10729w2.gif |
honestly I barely recognize Kerrigan here in this pic. Zerg Queen pic wouldve been getting more votes, but still probably not enough to be beating Doggie here. --- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude |
LeonhartFour posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF Why wouldn't this be the case? Like, humor me for a second and assume what I'm saying isn't complete nonsense (for the record I do think Charizard/Pikachu is a 53-47 win before SFF regardless, but I'd consider that close enough in any case). By what metric besides 'got 46% on Mario when he should've been SFFd into the ground' is Charizard's result better than what Pikachu put up on Snake? And by this I mean significantly better? Their two performances feel equal to me, and equally illegitimate besides. We know Charizard is not as good as his final performance suggests, that's just common sense. We know that his first match is almost certainly his most legitimate one, and in that one he failed to double Duke Nukem. Why do we think a guy who failed to double Duke is considerably better than another entrant who put up a little more than 60% on Commander Shepard, for example? What's the basis for assuming Charizard is way stronger before fanbase biases than Pikachu is? |
Lopen posted... Probably because Snake's proven Solid **** has hurt him in the past. To put in perspective, Bowser got 49.5% on him with that pic, and Frog got 48.5%. Pikachu's 45% is kinda pedestrian in the face of things we've seen from that before. Fair enough. Like I said, though, right now I don't think the onus is on Pikachu to win this. Let's see, taking the "Missile = Kerrigan" to try to figure out where this would be without Missile's rally...okay, that's like 63.33%. I guess that's not horrible. Certainly less of an underperformance than Frog barely breaking 50% on Handsome Jack and Viewtiful Joe was. And since Magus had always been declining even faster than Frog was...yeah, you're right. Crono > Pikachu > Otacon. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
There's no reason to believe Mario SFFs Charizard into the ground. And it's better because Sprite Snake is noticeably weaker than normal Mario. --- http://i.imgur.com/eqOQs.gif |
Zard doesnt really get much hate Chu does --- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... Certainly less of an underperformance than Frog barely breaking 50% on Handsome Jack and Viewtiful Joe was. ...Why was that an underperformance again? That was pretty much what I expected Frog to do. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
Karma Hunter posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...I agree with this too. I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF because Charizard is way overrated in the 2010 X-Stats and he STILL didn't do much better than Pikachu. 45% on Snake with huge pic factor advantage vs. 46% on Mario with full bandwagon effect going on. Why does the latter one get more credit than the former when most people assume Snake vs. Mario is more or less an even match? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3760 Still waiting on a decent explanation for this that isn't 'Duke Nukem totally would have a really close match with Knuckles and Rikku, book it'. |
By
the way, I'm not saying Pikachu doesn't have the potential. I could be
proven wrong. It happens. But the small amount of clean matches we have
on him doesn't inspire confidence in me. In 2007 he lost to Leon Kennedy
by ton, a 58-42 Ulti-style destruction while nearly getting clobbered
by a Vivi being held down by Tidus. In 2008 he barely 55-45'd Ike, the
same Ike that nearly just choked a match away to Protoman this year. He
barely got 61% on a Shepard that's a shadow of what he is today, in a
day match. I can't take him equal to Charizard indirectly, that just sounds crazy to me. --- sig |
KanzarisKelshen posted... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3760 Duke Nukem beat Gordon Freeman, Ike, and Altair, and did quite well on Marth. Why is this a difficult concept for you? I mean, Duke would be weaker now that DNF is finally out and everyone agreed it sucked and he has nothing to keep people caring about him anymore, but he was a decent character in 2007 and 2008. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
LeonhartFour posted... There's no reason to believe Mario SFFs Charizard into the ground. Besides, of course, that he's Mario. RBY got obliterated by OoT in Games to the point it looked close to games we know it would 60-40 1v1. Why does Mario not apply the Mr. Nintendo clause of his contract and make a pokemon look pathetic again? I mean, PIkachu has folded under SFF before, you guys used an example of this, why not Charizard? |
KanzarisKelshen posted... LeonhartFour posted...KanzarisKelshen posted...I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF That is a very fine point. I'd even extend it to the 54.49% on Kratos, because that probably isn't far off from what should've been expected after the performance against Duke. Now, granted, Shepard probably was weaker then than now, but even then, can we really figure that 54.49% on Kratos was more impressive than 61.01% on Shepard? --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Karma Hunter posted...KanzarisKelshen posted...I agree with this too. I just think Charizard/Pikachu is an even match pre-SFF because Charizard is way overrated in the 2010 X-Stats and he STILL didn't do much better than Pikachu. 45% on Snake with huge pic factor advantage vs. 46% on Mario with full bandwagon effect going on. Why does the latter one get more credit than the former when most people assume Snake vs. Mario is more or less an even match? Charizard is overrated too. The Pokemon just have really favorable bracket placement this year, otherwise a lot more people would be getting burned (they may still get burned if Pika can't pull through). --- sig |
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