Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1085

#101 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/31/2013 11:00:28 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Crono back under 60%

Back in "bad performance" territory


You're being facetious, right?
#102 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:00:39 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
Almost nobody voting for Missile actually cares about him or even knows who he is.


Since when do we care about how terrible the average gamer's taste is, except when making predictions? People who know who Missile is definitely care about him. Just check the topics chatting about him on the board.
#103 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/31/2013 11:01:22 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
Almost nobody voting for Missile actually cares about him or even knows who he is.


sup

Missile is a great character, easily the best one from Ghost Trick
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#104 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:01:43 AM | message detail
TheOneAboveAll posted...
You're being facetious, right?


I don't know. Am I?
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#105 | The Mana Sword | Posted 7/31/2013 11:02:08 AM | message detail
Almost.

Almost.
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#106 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/31/2013 11:02:45 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
Almost.

Almost.


Now, now, you can't expect Visual Novel fans to read.
#107 | red sox 777 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:03:19 AM | message detail
Darn you Missile, give Crono his 60% back!
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#108 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:03:51 AM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Darn you Missile, give Crono his 60% back!


Bad dog!
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#109 | LOLContests | Posted 7/31/2013 11:04:34 AM | message detail
What is this I don't even...
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#110 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/31/2013 11:05:46 AM | message detail
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#111 | tgs2 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:05:58 AM | message detail
This is a bad performance by Crono, rally or not, unless you think non-rallied Missile = Laharl/Ramza/Prinny
#112 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/31/2013 11:06:21 AM | message detail
How much would Magikarp be getting on Crono right now?
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#113 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 7/31/2013 11:06:25 AM | message detail
lol kerrigan
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#114 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:07:06 AM | message detail
Pitiful performance by Crono honestly, I'd have taken Magikarp to beat him.
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#115 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/31/2013 11:07:30 AM | message detail
I just don't understand the point of this rally.
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#116 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/31/2013 11:07:36 AM | message detail
Rallies HURT in this format. Raiden murdered Waluigi for basically the entire day and ended up looking iffy because an early rally killed his %. I wouldnt take too much away from this.
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#117 | LOLContests | Posted 7/31/2013 11:08:42 AM | message detail
Crono's performance on Kerrigan looks fine to me.

Missile's clearly getting rallied:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/5141

so there's not much we can gain from that.
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#118 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/31/2013 11:08:48 AM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
This is a bad performance by Crono, rally or not, unless you think non-rallied Missile = Laharl/Ramza/Prinny


Missile's been rallied since the first minute. Unrallied Missile doesn't exist in this match. Sure, the rally's stronger now. But it's been on all match.
#119 | The Mana Sword | Posted 7/31/2013 11:09:19 AM | message detail
Yeah, 78% on Kerrigan seems fine and that's not even taking into account the rally.
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#120 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/31/2013 11:10:30 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
Yeah, 78% on Kerrigan seems fine and that's not even taking into account the rally.


I don't understand how the rally would affect this relative percentage one way or the other

and I don't have time to understand, there's a dog here
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#121 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:11:52 AM | message detail | (edited)
This is a bad performance by Crono, rally or not, unless you think non-rallied Missile = Laharl/Ramza/Prinny

Maybe he is, you don't know how strong he is and besides we have Kerrigan to measure with.
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#122 | The Mana Sword | Posted 7/31/2013 11:12:11 AM | message detail
It probably wouldn't, but I think in general the apathy votes would have been more likely to go to Crono than Kerrigan.

Not like it matters, but still.
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#123 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:12:29 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
This is a bad performance by Crono, rally or not, unless you think non-rallied Missile = Laharl/Ramza/Prinny

Maybe he is, you don't know how strong he is and besides we have Kerrigan to measure with.


There's a point where you just have to look at the whole match and not just the '1v1' versions. Failing to put 60% on these two guys is really dreadful.
#124 | --Smurf-- | Posted 7/31/2013 11:12:40 AM | message detail
Reimu was getting rallied and fell back to earth pretty hard, the fact that missile has been hanging with or beating Kerrigan on every single update would suggest that at worst he/she is very close to Kerrigans level which would be a strong suggestion that Kerrigan is weaker than expected and so bad for Crono that he's running par numbers on her.
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#125 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:13:25 AM | message detail
So what Pika needs to do in order to be able to be a threat to Crono?Loyd might finish even under 10% and Big Daddy is recognizable.Is 60% possible for the rat?
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#126 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/31/2013 11:14:47 AM | message detail
The Mana Sword posted...
It probably wouldn't, but I think in general the apathy votes would have been more likely to go to Crono than Kerrigan.

Not like it matters, but still.


No. Why is this something that no one here seems to get when dealing with multi-ways? Apathy votes should go the exact same percentage as the regular votes. When there's overlap, one character is hurt more than the other. When there's no overlap, things will be pretty even.
#127 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/31/2013 11:15:02 AM | message detail
I think you've been drinking the Black Turtle koolaid a little too muvh if you think Lloyd finishes with under 10% tomorrow.
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#128 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:15:10 AM | message detail
Nah, no way Lloyd finishes under 10%. He's not THAT weak.

If Pikachu manages 50% on that group, I'd be impressed. A little scared, too.
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#129 | --Smurf-- | Posted 7/31/2013 11:15:33 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So what Pika needs to do in order to be able to be a threat to Crono?Loyd might finish even under 10% and Big Daddy is recognizable.Is 60% possible for the rat?


Lloyd is nowhere near that weak, Pikachu breaking 55% would be a good show.
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#130 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:15:36 AM | message detail
There's a point where you just have to look at the whole match and not just the '1v1' versions. Failing to put 60% on these two guys is really dreadful.

There's plenty of characters where I have no idea where they get their strength from, you can't make an assumption on a character with no contest experience, especially when there is another one with experience right beside him.
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#131 | SnoicFactor | Posted 7/31/2013 11:16:02 AM | message detail
Wow Crono.. this is sad. He's probably going to fall upwards of 2% still as well. I think Pikachu has a good shot >_>... He'd easily be over 60% imo.
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#132 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:16:23 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Nah, no way Lloyd finishes under 10%. He's not THAT weak.

If Pikachu manages 50% on that group, I'd be impressed. A little scared, too.


50% looks doable, now if Pikachu gets 60%, then we're cooking with gas. I'm thinking something like 55-25-20% looks legit for that match.
#133 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:16:59 AM | message detail
clearly Pikachu will make it all the way to the finals to make a Link/Pikachu/Mario final like it's Smash Bros
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#134 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:17:20 AM | message detail
Seriously, if Pikachu gets 55% against that duo while Crono was barely pushing 60% against this, he's done.
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#135 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:17:52 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
There's a point where you just have to look at the whole match and not just the '1v1' versions. Failing to put 60% on these two guys is really dreadful.

There's plenty of characters where I have no idea where they get their strength from, you can't make an assumption on a character with no contest experience, especially when there is another one with experience right beside him.


I can make an assumption about Crono, though. And my assumption is that failing to pull the percentage Cloud or Sonic (and possibly even SEPHIROTH) would against these guys is indicative of tremendous weakness.
#136 | The Mana Sword | Posted 7/31/2013 11:18:47 AM | message detail
what

what

what
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#137 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:18:56 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
And my assumption is that failing to pull the percentage Cloud or Sonic (and possibly even SEPHIROTH) would against these guys is indicative of tremendous weakness.


spoilers Crono shouldn't be outdoing any of those guys anyway

Maybe Sonic, but anti-votes or not he's not matching Cloud or Seph
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#138 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:19:16 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Seriously, if Pikachu gets 55% against that duo while Crono was barely pushing 60% against this, he's done.


I dunno Leon, wouldn't you think Pikachu can make Lloyd look pretty bad? A tripling is out of range for him, but something like 68-70% seems feasible. Doesn't that translate to close to 55% IIRC?
#139 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/31/2013 11:20:09 AM | message detail
Wasn't he done already?
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#140 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:20:38 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
And my assumption is that failing to pull the percentage Cloud or Sonic (and possibly even SEPHIROTH) would against these guys is indicative of tremendous weakness.


spoilers Crono shouldn't be outdoing any of those guys anyway

Maybe Sonic, but anti-votes or not he's not matching Cloud or Seph


Sephiroth should be doable in this format. Low votes, old voters, renaissance of the old RPG crew? That's tailormade for Crono to overperform. Sonic's a good barometer though - his competition was probably stronger and yet he flat-out obliterated it compared to what Crono's doing here. There's a legit strength gap between Crono and Sonic, but it shouldn't be that big.
#141 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:20:50 AM | message detail
Fox doubled Lloyd back in 2010. I guess it depends on how you think Pikachu/Fox goes.

But say what you want about Lloyd. He'd beat Kerrigan, and Big Daddy would beat Missile. Pikachu's threepack is better than Crono's, so if his performance is in any way comparable, I'd be worried.
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#142 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/31/2013 11:21:19 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Sephiroth should be doable in this format.


No, it shouldn't. Sephiroth got 58% against better competition than this.
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#143 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:22:52 AM | message detail
I dunno Leon, wouldn't you think Pikachu can make Lloyd look pretty bad? A tripling is out of range for him, but something like 68-70% seems feasible. Doesn't that translate to close to 55% IIRC?

Depends on where you rank Big Daddy, if he's really close to Lloyd then it is possible.
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#144 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/31/2013 11:23:05 AM | message detail
For what it's worth, if you decide to handle the rallying by setting Missile's votes = Kerrigan's, Crono's at 63%, which is fairly good.
#145 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/31/2013 11:23:59 AM | message detail
I'm quite positive that Luigi would wreck Crono these days.
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#146 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/31/2013 11:24:18 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
And my assumption is that failing to pull the percentage Cloud or Sonic (and possibly even SEPHIROTH) would against these guys is indicative of tremendous weakness.


spoilers Crono shouldn't be outdoing any of those guys anyway

Maybe Sonic, but anti-votes or not he's not matching Cloud or Seph


Sephiroth should be doable in this format. Low votes, old voters, renaissance of the old RPG crew? That's tailormade for Crono to overperform. Sonic's a good barometer though - his competition was probably stronger and yet he flat-out obliterated it compared to what Crono's doing here. There's a legit strength gap between Crono and Sonic, but it shouldn't be that big.


You really think Fei Fong Wong and Dan Hibiki are stronger competition than Kerrigan and Missile? Xenogears is an obscure RPG that's still too recent to get the "nostalgia boost" that's pervaded this contest while being far too old to have retained any strength it may have had, and Dan Hibiki...let's not even go there.
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#147 | LOLContests | Posted 7/31/2013 11:25:25 AM | message detail
There is no proof that characters get stronger or weaker depending on the format. If characters looked stronger in 4 ways it's because they were just plain stronger that year, or because certain other aspects of the format, like LFF, favored them. I've never really seen much evidence to prove otherwise, albeit I'm not really sure what evidence would prove it.
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#148 | red sox 777 | Posted 7/31/2013 11:26:05 AM | message detail
Uh, if Crono could match Sephiroth's numbers against anyone, I'd be super super happy. There's too much of a strength gap there for Crono to beat Sephiroth's numbers against anyone.

78% on Kerrigan is plenty fine, and more than enough to beat Pikachu.
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#149 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/31/2013 11:27:20 AM | message detail
I think the rally just died. Missile didn't even manage 50 votes that last update.
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#150 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/31/2013 11:27:36 AM | message detail
Yes, I do. Fei did well in a format that was worse for him than this one already, and Dan is terrible but not enough that he'd lose hard to Kerrigan. Would you take Missile to beat Fei 1v1? I know I wouldn't.

FranzyvonKarma posted...
For what it's worth, if you decide to handle the rallying by setting Missile's votes = Kerrigan's, Crono's at 63%, which is fairly good.


If this were legit that would be a honestly good performance by Crono...somehow I doubt the rally is worth that much percent though.

charmander6000 posted...
I dunno Leon, wouldn't you think Pikachu can make Lloyd look pretty bad? A tripling is out of range for him, but something like 68-70% seems feasible. Doesn't that translate to close to 55% IIRC?

Depends on where you rank Big Daddy, if he's really close to Lloyd then it is possible.


That I do. Big Daddy>Lloyd by less than 60% seems like a fairly legit thing to me.