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LeonhartFour posted... The problem with the Ocelot picture is that only people who've seen the MGSV trailer will know that's Ocelot. He doesn't look like MGS3 Ocelot, and without the mustache, he doesn't really look like MGS1, 2, and 4 Ocelot either. What do you take Sora to get on Scorpion normally in a NIGHT match? --- Feeling tired? Allow me to prescribe you a peppermint latte |
Rad Link 5 posted... Elizabeth is just super weak, and Board 8 underestimated Poison a bit as they tend to do with any fighting game character not named Ryu or Ken (hello Mortal Kombatants every single year). I take issue with this kind of generalizing. I personally have been super bullish on Mortal Kombat from before and ever since they got back into these contests (probably *too* bullish when I bet on Scorpion > Auron, but whatever). Fighting game characters are fine. Poison is weak, weak, weeeeeeeeeeeeak and I take Thrall in a 1v1 with no pictures any day of the week. --- sig |
I
have no idea how to rate Dragonborn, mostly because he is from this
site's favorite game in the past 6 years. He could be weak or people
could let their love of Skyrim burst forth <_<. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
I never saw the MGS V trailer, and I recognized it as Ocelot, for whatever that's worth. I just didn't recognize where that Ocelot was from. Like I said, I thought it was an Ocelot cosplayer. --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i.imgur.com/ZgM5O.png |
Also, Poison has no reason
to be strong on her own merits. Her only appearances of consequence are
Final Fight and SFxT. You'll find out in a few days when Haggar gets
destroyed that this isn't worth much. People seem to like to deny TJF
exists because some people who benefit from it don't win their matches.
Just because they don't win doesn't mean it doesn't help! Dr_Coffee posted... What do you take Sora to get on Scorpion normally in a NIGHT match? Enough that it won't matter if Aya does hurt him a little bit. --- http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/8/22/2094c2de-bae8-4f5b-9f27-67eaff0aaeaf.jpg |
Also
I took Dragonborn to win because we already know Tom Nook and Pyramid
Head are bad fodder. There's a decent chance Dragonborn won't be. --- http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab48/Leonhart4/Squall.jpg |
Karma Hunter posted... Rad Link 5 posted...Elizabeth is just super weak, and Board 8 underestimated Poison a bit as they tend to do with any fighting game character not named Ryu or Ken (hello Mortal Kombatants every single year). Poison is probably more known than some of the characters from SF2 at this point thanks entirely to notoriety. And she's been suggested to be one of the series's most popular characters by an official Capcom poll. Beyond all of that, there is absolutely no way jugs account for her beating Thrall like 57-43. That's a minimum fifteen point swing you're attributing to TJF. --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police I assure you, my dear, all Ace Detectives are perfect gentlemen! |
LeonhartFour posted... LOL no Yeah, in all likelihood the demographics for a game like Parasite Eve and for Kingdom Hearts couldn't possibly be more different. I mean you could scarcely come up with games that have more wildly diverging demographics if you tried. Hmm...maybe Dead Space and that game Spyro was in recently? Or Dead Space/Bioshock and that Hannah Montana game that Bacon (or...hopefully...a family member of his) completed. Xuxon posted... people think Dragonborn can beat Tifa if Yuna's in the match. i think they're nuts, personally. that pic makes me nervous Tom Nook could beat him. Well anyone who thinks Dragonborn would finish anywhere but last in a Tifa/Yuna/Dragonborn match is insane, let alone beating Tifa :) Tom Nook could well beat him. It's tough to label any of these 3 as a solid favorite though. I mean, it's still Tom Nook. You don't need much strength to beat Tom Nook. But would I be confident that Dragonborn is non-garbage enough to beat Tom Nook? No. If I had to pick...I think I'd go with Nook, he's the most well known, his pic stands out and Dragonborn's pic is fugly, and LOL customizable characters. But I wouldn't bet anything of significance on Nook. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
dragonborn gonna fus ro dah all over tom nook --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
Rad Link 5 posted... Poison is probably more known than some of the characters from SF2 at this point thanks entirely to notoriety. No, she's not. More well known than any SF3 character for sure, but SF2 characters are classic characters at this point. Rad Link 5 posted... And she's been suggested to be one of the series's most popular characters by an official Capcom poll. Which is pretty much worthless as far as this contest is concerned. Karin and Q made top ten in that poll, for cryin' out loud. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo22vfguji1qzxr43.gif |
Why do you think Dragonborn is complete garbage? O_o. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
Rad Link 5 posted... Karma Hunter posted...Rad Link 5 posted...Elizabeth is just super weak, and Board 8 underestimated Poison a bit as they tend to do with any fighting game character not named Ryu or Ken (hello Mortal Kombatants every single year). In a match where the majority of the voters probably don't know either character? Sure I can. This is GameFAQs, not the fighting community at large, the demographics are entirely turned on their head. People by and large don't know about Poison's notoriety (a tendency that was constantly on display during her actual match). Against a bunch of virtual nobodies, TJF is going to have a pronounced effect. --- sig |
creativename posted... Well anyone who thinks Dragonborn would finish anywhere but last in a Tifa/Yuna/Dragonborn match is insane, let alone beating Tifa :) Yuna beating Dragonborn with Boobs McGee in the poll? Were you asleep for Aeris/Rinoa/Hero? --- Feeling tired? Allow me to prescribe you a peppermint latte |
Xuxon posted... From: creativename | Posted: 7/31/2013 9:38:04 PM | #444Dragonborn will be some level of fodder, but he has a cool name and his competition is terrible. That could well be enough for him to win. I've had Nook > Dragonborn from the start! --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
creativename posted... Karma Hunter posted...TJF is an actual thing that got conclusively proven this contest. A real, actual thing. It's not worth that much, but a bottom of the barrel entity like Poison doesn't do anything in her match without being propped up by those huge jugs. well that's the thing, TJF only matters when everyone is fodder Tifa is obviously well above that line |
Achromatic posted... Why do you think Dragonborn is complete garbage? O_o. Character with no canon name or appearance. I'm not going to say "complete garbage" until I actually see it, but this looks like a prime candidate for "strong game, weak characters". I mean, like I said before, Skyrim wouldn't be the first Elder Scrolls game to do well in a Games Contest if it were to do so (which we haven't been able to see yet since the last Games Contest was before Skyrim came out), but it is the first one to get a character into a Character Battle. Remember how we were all talking about how hilarious it was that people actually thought Kerrigan had a chance at beating Vincent when both were newcomers? People saw Starcraft beasting all over the 2004 Games Contest and figured that if the game was that strong, surely there must be a strong character in there somewhere. Oblivion managed to win a fourpack in which some people were taking it as a potential upset pick for second--less than 50% of brackets had it even making it out of Round 1, and that was still far better than the prediction percentage on the other game that made it out! And then after this poll where apparently something like 50% of brackets actually managed to get zero points when it was actually easier to get at least one point than to get none at all, it reached Round 3, something only 17.43% of brackets had it doing! And it wouldn't surprise me if some of the brackets that had it advancing to Round 3 were supposed to be zero brackets. I mean, what would really be a "safer" pick for a zero? Okami and Tales of Symphonia? That's about it, and some people might consider taking Oblivion instead of Okami for the zero anyway; Okami was really only a "safe" zero because its chances of getting out of Round 1 were so bad. It stood up fairly decently in its hopeless R3 match, too. And then Oblivion did about as well as could be expected in GotD, got to R3 again and it's tough to say how many people thought it could make it further since its R2 prediction percentage was better than its opponent's and its R2 opponent had an awful R1 prediction percentage. But, hey, you know who else was among the biggest R1 surprises of all time? Morrowind in GotD. Not even 1/3 of brackets picked it to reached round 2, but it did just that. It was in an 8-9 match though so it got fed to a beast in Round 2, but still, that means both Morrowind and Oblivion have had at least one strong run in a Games Contest. And yet, The Last Dragonborn is the first Elder Scrolls character to ever get into a Character Battle. What does that tell you? --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Dragonborn
should be garbage. But we already know everyone in his match is
garbage. No matter how that match shakes out I know the percentages
aren't going to look right to me, 'cause none of them should be able to
get that high --- sig |
LeonhartFour posted... Rad Link 5 posted...Poison is probably more known than some of the characters from SF2 at this point thanks entirely to notoriety. To be clear, I was including the New Challengers in that. She's definitely more known than Dee Jay and T. Hawk. Possibly Fei Long, too. There's no way she's more known than the World Warriors, I agree with that. But you ask an average Street Fighter fan, not even a competitive player, just an average fan who Poison is, and I guarantee you nearly all of them would be able to answer. Rad Link 5 posted...And she's been suggested to be one of the series's most popular characters by an official Capcom poll. I obviously wasn't suggesting that poll translates directly to GameFAQs Contests. I was offering it as a pre-emptive counter-argument to anything like "she's known but nobody likes her" or something. (Also, Q is like the only thing people who didn't play or care about SF3 know and like about the game. And Karin is just the hipster character to like in SF, which is why she gets super inflated numbers in all these polls (except for Japan, where she's legitimately popular because "Japan").) --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8528/secretariat.gif |
Karma Hunter posted... In a match where the majority of the voters probably don't know either character? Sure I can. This is GameFAQs, not the fighting community at large, the demographics are entirely turned on their head. People by and large don't know about Poison's notoriety (a tendency that was constantly on display during her actual match). I don't see how you can say it has a pronounced effect just because Poison beat Thrall - Thrall was a fraud against Link, we all knew this. And his game has become irrelevant since, a game that was pretty irrelevant on this site to begin with. Plus Thrall's pic was completely derp-y. Poison is indeed weeeeeeak as you say, no doubt, but so is 2013 derp-Thrall. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Also
yeah, if you want to attribute anything in that match picture to Thrall
underperforming, his own picture is a way better place to start. Even
that I wouldn't argue making a giant difference, but it's
probably the second closest any character's going to come to being Solid
S***'d behind Leon Kennedy's RE: Gaiden picture. --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i.imgur.com/syEAJLe.gif |
Also Rad Link 5 is completely fanboying right now and should pretty much be ignored on the subject of Poison. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
Rad Link 5 posted... She's definitely more known than Dee Jay and T. Hawk. Possibly Fei Long, too. You're underestimating how popular SSF2 (and SF4) are if you think people know Poison more than they know those guys. Or you think Final Fight is a really popular game, not sure which. --- http://gifsoup.com/view/477513/red-vs-blue-road-rage-part-1-o.gif http://gifsoup.com/view/477534/red-vs-blue-road-rage-part-2-o.gif |
Crono is a FF7 character confirmed, with those late percentage gains |
She's
not more known than Dee Jay and T. Hawk sorry. She's just not. At
best she's ahead of SF3 guys and some Alpha guys in terms of notoriety.
She might be more liked than Dee Jay and T. Hawk but they're still more known than she is. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
And I generally overestimate fighting game characters, so don't accuse me of being one of "those guys!" I was one of the literally handful of people who had Sub-Zero > Master Chief in 2006 (seriously what is wrong with you guys) I will never forget the utter revulsion I felt when I realized Board 8 was rooting for Master Chief to win that match. --- http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8718/leonflowchart.png |
Crono is doing horribly in Europe so now that Europe went to sleep he is gaining % --- ... |
Crono
would have continued to gain percentage even if Europe didn't go to
sleep, because the rally hurt Crono's %. At the pace Crono is on, he
will break 63% for sure. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
LeonhartFour posted...
I have no evidence to the contrary but I refuse to believe someone would root for Chief against Subz. I think I had Subz > Chief too! --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :( |
Random
question: Does Phoenix Wright have ANY chance at all against Mewtwo
and Vincent? I have Phoenix moving on knowing that it'd be an upset
pick -- I figured I needed one wacky thing to play out to beat all the
experts around here! :) I have him beating Sonic and Bowser too, which I know is bat-crap crazy. One round at a time though! --- I pwn you all! |
WarThaNemesis2 posted... I have no evidence to the contrary but I refuse to believe someone would root for Chief against Subz. They might have been doing it solely for the sake of their brackets, but a large chunk of B8 hates MK, too. It definitely happened. --- "So cold. I am always by your side." "There ain't no gettin' off of this train we on!" |
MASTER CHIEF GAME FUEL BELIEVE --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
raginbull911 posted... Random question: Does Phoenix Wright have ANY chance at all against Mewtwo and Vincent? I have Phoenix moving on knowing that it'd be an upset pick -- I figured I needed one wacky thing to play out to beat all the experts around here! :) Your bracket is dead. --- http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/zukiraphaera/war-sig-1.png RIP Paul Bearer. Ohhhh nooooo. :( |
Lopen believed Master Chief would come back from 5000 down Not quite as bad believing Halo could swing 10000 on Castlevania in the Series Contest, but still! --- http://i43.tinypic.com/dgwh0.gif http://www.majhost.com/gallery/atukam/OHWD/snownd.gif |
Hey given the right opponent and vote totals I still think Chief could come back from 5000 down. Chief vs Kefka c'mon let's do it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
1337gamerpr0 posted... Crono is a FF7 character confirmed, with those late percentage gains He'll hit 63% at this rate...not a bad performance by him at all, he's turned it around from that poor-looking start. Still have no idea whether he can beat the rat if Magus wins, but this match doesn't hurt my faith in him, at least. There was a chance that Chrono Trigger weakening would reveal itself in this match, and at least that didn't happen, which is good. LeonhartFour posted... I will never forget the utter revulsion I felt when I realized Board 8 was rooting for Master Chief to win that match. Wow. It's probably for the best I don't remember this. The only time I can recall this topic rooting for Chief is the Game Fuel year. Otherwise he's always been the subject of scorn, to my recollection. Though I suppose being the subject of scorn and being rooted for are not exclusive, as this topic loves it's precious brackets. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Match XLVII: (6) Pikachu vs. (13) Lloyd Irving vs. (22) Big Daddy Previous Contest Pikachu – 2010 75.09% against Banjo 61.01% against Commander Shepard 44.80% against Solid Snake Lloyd Irving – 2010 32.75% against Fox McCloud Big Daddy – 2010 61.75% against Soap MacTavish 54.36% against Ness 39.55% against Tifa Lockhart Analysis There has been a lot of hype for Pikachu, especially if he meets two Chrono Trigger characters next round, but I think a lot of that hype is due to Pikachu’s performance against Solid Snake which everyone knows was a total mismatch. Pikachu does have legitimate strength, but he is nowhere near being a near-elite. The last time we got a picture where it was Solid **** up against someone with a great picture was Solid Snake/Frog in 2004. Looking at the 2005 contest and Frog’s drop we can estimate that Pikachu would have struggled to avoid getting doubled by Snake. The drop may not be that much, but even if it true he should have no problem winning this match. Big Daddy does have some strength, winning over Ness makes you not a complete weakling, but that was at a time when Bioshock 2 was just released. We have seen characters drop in the next contest when a game is released mid-way and something similar could happen to Big Daddy. Bioshock: Infinite was released so maybe his strength is not too much weaker, however if I remember correctly he is not in that game. As much as we make fun of Tales of Symphonia characters Lloyd is not as weak as we make him sound. Sure he is fodder, but his contest experience makes him decent fodder. The main question is how he will perform now that Tales of Symphonia is three years older. Sadly he is the first Symphonia character to perform, but I feel it is likely they are weaker now. I think people are too confident in Pikachu, I have seen people expecting him to reach the high 50s or even break 60%. Big Daddy and Lloyd are not total weaklings so they should avoid the beat down unless one of them really flops. Sure both may have reasons to perform worse now, but I just do not see Pikachu reaching such high numbers. charmander6000’s Bracket: Pikachu > Big Daddy and Lloyd Irving charmander6000’s Prediction: Pikachu – 49.37%, Big Daddy – 27.26%, Lloyd Irving – 23.37% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 38/44 Today's Picks: Gordon Freeman and Crono |
There has been a lot of hype for Pikachu, especially if he meets two Chrono Trigger characters next round, but I think a lot of that hype is due to Pikachu’s performance against Solid Snake which everyone knows was a total mismatch. Pikachu does have legitimate strength, but he is nowhere near being a near-elite. The last time we got a picture where it was Solid **** up against someone with a great picture was Solid Snake/Frog in 2004. Can someone be kind enough and explain it to me? --- Pokemon Showdown Peak Ranking OU: 2004 And then lost 7 matches in a row >_> |
spooky96 posted... There has been a lot of hype for Pikachu, especially if he meets two Chrono Trigger characters next round, but I think a lot of that hype is due to Pikachu’s performance against Solid Snake which everyone knows was a total mismatch. Pikachu does have legitimate strength, but he is nowhere near being a near-elite. The last time we got a picture where it was Solid **** up against someone with a great picture was Solid Snake/Frog in 2004. http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-109.jpg --- sig |
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k4/sum04b52.jpg This was the match pic for Frog/Snake. It should do all the explaining for you. --- http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9919/leonhart.png |
Pikachu
being in the high 50s and Big Daddy and Lloyd not being weaklings
aren't mutually exclusive! I have both Big Daddy and Lloyd above 20%,
which in this format is generally either a sign that you're not weak or a
sign that nobody in your match is strong (and Pikachu's definitely
fairly strong), but both in the low 20s, which still leaves enough room for Pika to break 55%. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
spooky96 posted... There has been a lot of hype for Pikachu, especially if he meets two Chrono Trigger characters next round, but I think a lot of that hype is due to Pikachu’s performance against Solid Snake which everyone knows was a total mismatch. Pikachu does have legitimate strength, but he is nowhere near being a near-elite. The last time we got a picture where it was Solid **** up against someone with a great picture was Solid Snake/Frog in 2004. Sprite Snake is the most extreme example of pic factor. He almost lost to Frog (the famous "Solid S***" picture because he literally looked like poo) and Bowser, neither of whom are in Snake's league, and only got 55% against Pikachu which is also clearly not Snake's real strength. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Achromatic posted... Also Rad Link 5 is completely fanboying right now and should pretty much be ignored on the subject of Poison. You're like the worst boss ever. I quit the force. I can be a fan of a character and admit they're fodder! Poison is weak. Neku is weak. Phoenix Wright is still kind of weak. Demi-Fiend is super-fodder. The only character I truly love who's looking like they're even approaching midcarder territory is Kefka, and for like a decade before that he was weak. What I'm taking exception to is this idea that TJF is seriously that big a thing. It's ridiculous, and I'm probably the biggest fan of jugs in this topic. LeonhartFour posted... And I generally overestimate fighting game characters, so don't accuse me of being one of "those guys!" Pfft. I have Scorpion in the Final Nine. My fighting game character overestimation cred is like twice yours ! --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i.imgur.com/7VEGTLU.jpg |
This
match has had a ridiculous number of tied updates between Missile and
Kerrigan. Heck, there have been a ridiculous number of consecutive tied
updates. If only that rally had been 600 votes weaker... |
WOAH
errible Snake pics. I guess no one recognizes the 8-16 bit Snake
sprites. People are only aware of the MGS game which the PSX had and the
later games. --- Pokemon Showdown Peak Ranking OU: 2004 And then lost 7 matches in a row >_> |
Rad Link 5 posted... Pfft. I have Scorpion in the Final Nine. My fighting game character overestimation cred is like twice yours ! The difference is that only one of us will be right! --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo22vfguji1qzxr43.gif |
Why do people never use Snake's GBC sprites anyway? --- "Hamas isn't really a terror organization." -Terran [Evil Republican] Play Der Langrisser. |
Karma Hunter posted...
Except that totally wasn't the last time it happened. http://images.wikia.com/board8/images/5/5a/Cb05b58.jpg Actually, that's not even a great pic for Bowser. And he still got closer to breaking the Noble Nine than anyone else ever has in a 24-hour 1v1 match. (Tifa got a better percentage on Samus in 2006, but vote totals were higher that year and she actually lost by more than 100 more votes.) --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Also, play Der Langrisser. --- "Hamas isn't really a terror organization." -Terran [Evil Republican] Play Der Langrisser. |
SubDeity posted... Why do people never use Snake's GBC sprites anyway? Got used once against Yoshi in 2006. Still didn't look good. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
LeonhartFour posted... Rad Link 5 posted...Pfft. I have Scorpion in the Final Nine. My fighting game character overestimation cred is like twice yours ! Not really overestimating if you're right! --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police don't make jokes on [Board 8]. people won't get your joke and then they will argue with you - OmarsComin |
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