Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1084

#101 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/30/2013 10:15:46 PM | message detail
Magus from CT vs. The Magus Sisters vs. Strago Magus
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#102 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/30/2013 10:16:08 PM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Wait, Magus loses to Wario?

I think that's the most embarrassing scenario I've heard yet.


Well... would you take him over Raiden?

Look what Waluigi did on him

Waluigi Vs. Magus who you got


Magus.
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#103 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:16:33 PM | message detail
We've never gotten a good read on Wario, but he probably beats Magus

Seriously guys Magus ranked 84th out of 128 in 2010
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#104 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:16:55 PM | message detail
Wario has literally never gotten 40% in any poll he's ever been in.
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#105 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:17:35 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
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No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


The idea that they're low midcarders sounds ludicrous to me. If they were low midcarders, then so are Sub-Zero, Tidus, etc.

And Zidane beating the likes of Alucard/Falcon/Sub-Zero/Tidus just sounds implausible.


Alucard has considerably weakened from his heyday. Like, a *lot*. He can't even come close to contending with someone like Sub-Zero anymore. He choked a match away to Liquid Snake. Falcon's not strong, and he can barely even handle him.

He's a low midcarder.
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#106 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:17:49 PM | message detail
Simon picture is terrible
Like,if the name was just "Simon" without the "Belmont" I would never know it's Simon
Simon is generic looking anyway...so this picture is..ugh
#107 | kinsho3 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:18:47 PM | message detail
Whoa, whoa. Keep in mind that Zidane lost to Ike. Ike is no midcarder. He almost lost to Proto Man.
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#108 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/30/2013 10:19:29 PM | message detail
Alucard vs. Magus
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#109 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:19:36 PM | message detail
I have no issues with Proto Man being around that level, either.
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#110 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:19:45 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
Whoa, whoa. Keep in mind that Zidane lost to Ike. Ike is no midcarder. He almost lost to Proto Man.


Ike is a midcarder. So is Protoman. I think people like to hold those Prinny and Claptrap matches against Ike and Zidane in 2010, but those guys are just better than we expected. Prinny just proved it a few days ago (granted, against Cloud, but still).
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#111 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/30/2013 10:19:47 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


The idea that they're low midcarders sounds ludicrous to me. If they were low midcarders, then so are Sub-Zero, Tidus, etc.

And Zidane beating the likes of Alucard/Falcon/Sub-Zero/Tidus just sounds implausible.


Alucard has considerably weakened from his heyday. Like, a *lot*. He can't even come close to contending with someone like Sub-Zero anymore. He choked a match away to Liquid Snake. Falcon's not strong, and he can barely even handle him.

He's a low midcarder.


For what it's worth, he did destroy Liquid the next round though.
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#112 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/30/2013 10:19:51 PM | message detail
Falcon isn't that weak, he straight up beat Riku.

It's just implausible to think Zidane blows out Falcon, Alucard, Riku and all these other guys now. Dissidia boost I guess...
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#113 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:20:04 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
Whoa, whoa. Keep in mind that Zidane lost to Ike. Ike is no midcarder. He almost lost to Proto Man.


Zidane can't handle Sub-Zero, either.

He certainly has the potential to win a match against Alucard, however.
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#114 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:20:13 PM | message detail
Also, low midcarder doesn't even necessarily mean they're that strong. It usually just means 20-25% on Base Link.
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#115 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:20:49 PM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
For what it's worth, he did destroy Liquid the next round though.


And got destroyed by Yuna in the process!
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#116 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 7/30/2013 10:21:06 PM | message detail
Taking Otocon to beat Magus just because he always flops is dumb. Thats the same as taking Yu to beat Shadow yesterday, or Phoenix over Gordon back in 2006. Even a choke artist wins if the compeitition is really weak. Magus probably gets over 50% tomorrow and you guys will look foolish
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#117 | Xuxon | Posted 7/30/2013 10:21:24 PM | message detail
From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 7/31/2013 1:16:55 AM | #104
Wario has literally never gotten 40% in any poll he's ever been in.

Funny but meaningless trivia. He's only had one 1v1 match. Squall also didn't get 40% in his first 1v1 match.
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#118 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:22:45 PM | message detail
Shadow has actually looked decent. Speaking of which

Shadow (2010c) VS Magus (2010c)

Shadow has a strength of 26.42.
Magus has a strength of 23.40.

Shadow wins with 55.72% of the vote!
A win of 8,385 with 73,354 total votes cast.


To beat Magus, Otacon only has to be slightly stronger than Yu Narukami
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#119 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:22:51 PM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
Funny but meaningless trivia. He's only had one 1v1 match. Squall also didn't get 40% in his first 1v1 match.


He didn't get 40% in a match with Jade Curtiss and pre-Dissidia Cecil either!

hey guys remember when people thought Wario could beat Zack
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#120 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 7/30/2013 10:23:02 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


The idea that they're low midcarders sounds ludicrous to me. If they were low midcarders, then so are Sub-Zero, Tidus, etc.

And Zidane beating the likes of Alucard/Falcon/Sub-Zero/Tidus just sounds implausible.


Alucard has considerably weakened from his heyday. Like, a *lot*. He can't even come close to contending with someone like Sub-Zero anymore. He choked a match away to Liquid Snake. Falcon's not strong, and he can barely even handle him.

He's a low midcarder.




You keep bashing Falcon but you have faith in Pit to beat Cecil? WTF?
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#121 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:23:37 PM | message detail
as is just I don't see what's wrong with this site why would more than 40% of you ever vote against Snake

it doesn't make logical sense
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#122 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:23:52 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
Falcon isn't that weak, he straight up beat Riku.

It's just implausible to think Zidane blows out Falcon, Alucard, Riku and all these other guys now. Dissidia boost I guess...


Well, "blows out" is certainly a bit much. Straight up beating them isn't out of the realm of possibility unless you think all of those guys are clearly stronger than Ike.
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#123 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:24:19 PM | message detail
Dr_Coffee posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


The idea that they're low midcarders sounds ludicrous to me. If they were low midcarders, then so are Sub-Zero, Tidus, etc.

And Zidane beating the likes of Alucard/Falcon/Sub-Zero/Tidus just sounds implausible.


Alucard has considerably weakened from his heyday. Like, a *lot*. He can't even come close to contending with someone like Sub-Zero anymore. He choked a match away to Liquid Snake. Falcon's not strong, and he can barely even handle him.

He's a low midcarder.




You keep bashing Falcon but you have faith in Pit to beat Cecil? WTF?


...I have nothing *resembling* faith in Pit beating Cecil! I expect Pit to lose! Hilariously!
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#124 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/30/2013 10:25:17 PM | message detail
League of Legends fans gearing up for the Draven rally early

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/954437-league-of-legends/66860423
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#125 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:25:41 PM | message detail
Also, if you subscribe to the notion that Alucard overperformed on Link, then Magus looks even worse

I personally don't, but I know a certain hunter of karmas has mentioned it once or twice!
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#126 | rpgsruleall | Posted 7/30/2013 10:25:46 PM | message detail
Poor Magus. Remember when this happened? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1338
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#127 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:26:34 PM | message detail
You know, it's kind of weird that people are reluctant to have faith in Zidane being strong, just like for a while people were reluctant to have faith in Captain Falcon being strong. Guess what they have in common?

Getting blown out by Crono in their debuts!
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#128 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:26:56 PM | message detail
rpgsruleall posted...
Poor Magus. Remember when this happened? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1338


Now we have two matches establishing that Ganondorf loses to CATS
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#129 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/30/2013 10:26:56 PM | message detail
rpgsruleall posted...
Poor Magus. Remember when this happened? http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1338


I remember even the FANFICTION for this being great. Magus got the Triforce of Power. Still gives me the nerd shivers to this day. Probably one of my favorite Board 8 memories, which is kind of sad.

And great.
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#130 | kinsho3 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:30:18 PM | message detail | (edited)
LeonhartFour posted...

Ike is a midcarder. So is Protoman. I think people like to hold those Prinny and Claptrap matches against Ike and Zidane in 2010, but those guys are just better than we expected. Prinny just proved it a few days ago (granted, against Cloud, but still).


Proto Man is not a midcarder.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778

As much as I'd love for Proto Man to have some sway in these contests, he's simply not that strong, period.


And for those of you who say Sub-Zero would obliterate the likes of Captain Falcon, well, in 2010...

Captain Falcon got 30% against Cloud.
Sub-Zero got 33% against Samus.
And Samus got 47% against Cloud.

I suck with x-stat math, but it's quite clear even without extrapolating here that according to the stats, Captain Falcon would put up a damn good fight against Sub-Zero in a head-to-head match-up.
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#131 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:28:41 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
You know, it's kind of weird that people are reluctant to have faith in Zidane being strong, just like for a while people were reluctant to have faith in Captain Falcon being strong. Guess what they have in common?

Getting blown out by Crono in their debuts!


Add Kefka to that list.
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#132 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/30/2013 10:28:47 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
Falcon isn't that weak, he straight up beat Riku.

It's just implausible to think Zidane blows out Falcon, Alucard, Riku and all these other guys now. Dissidia boost I guess...


Well, "blows out" is certainly a bit much. Straight up beating them isn't out of the realm of possibility unless you think all of those guys are clearly stronger than Ike.


I would call what Zidane did to Ridley pretty much a blow out. I would be surprised if Zidane could do that to one of those guys. I wouldn't be surprised if he won a close one against them.
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#133 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:28:59 PM | message detail
That result you posted is basically what a midcarder gets on Solid Snake.
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#134 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 7/30/2013 10:29:21 PM | message detail
Aybody else disappointed CT gets no interesting matches this year? Crono, Frog and Magus as well as the game CT itself have all always been involved in great matches. But Magus and Frog in particular get really wasted. It's contest traditon! Grrr SBAllen
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#135 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:29:43 PM | message detail
What I'm learning in this topic is that Crono SFFs literally everyone.
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#136 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:30:05 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
I would call what Zidane did to Ridley pretty much a blow out. I would be surprised if Zidane could do that to one of those guys. I wouldn't be surprised if he won a close one against them.


It translates to a 55/45 win 1-on-1, which is a blowout by the Ulti definition of the term. Ridley's weaker than all those guys though, in all likelihood.
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#137 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:30:41 PM | message detail
Dr_Coffee posted...
Aybody else disappointed CT gets no interesting matches this year?


What? Two of the most important matches in the entire bracket involve CT!
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#138 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:31:17 PM | message detail
Magus/Otacon, and then Crono has about 15 chances to blow it. CT is in for some interesting times.
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#139 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:31:22 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
LeonhartFour posted...

Ike is a midcarder. So is Protoman. I think people like to hold those Prinny and Claptrap matches against Ike and Zidane in 2010, but those guys are just better than we expected. Prinny just proved it a few days ago (granted, against Cloud, but still).


Proto Man is not a midcarder.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778

As much as I'd love for Proto Man to have some sway in these contests, he's simply not that strong, period.

And for those of you who say Sub-Zero would obliterate the likes of Captain Falcon, well, in 2010...

Captain Falcon got 30% against Cloud.

Sub-Zero got 33% against Samus.
And Samus got 47% against Cloud.

I suck with x-stat math, but it's quite clear even without extrapolating here that according to the stats, Captain Falcon would put up a damn good fight against Sub-Zero in a head-to-head match-up.


You're right, Subby is expected to post about 52.5% in that match.

But the argument here is explicitly that Falcon overperformed significantly on Cloud - and that Samus didn't (well, she did ever so slightly because it was a 12 hour match, but it's accounted for and not nearly as important as Falcon/Ridley posting inflated numbers).
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#140 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:31:40 PM | message detail
And Frog/Lugia could be an interesting match for those of us with Expert brackets.
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#141 | kinsho3 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:32:13 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
That result you posted is basically what a midcarder gets on Solid Snake.


That literally makes NO sense.

Getting 30% against Cloud = low midcarder
Getting 28% against Snake = midcarder
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#142 | Dr_Coffee | Posted 7/30/2013 10:33:21 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Dr_Coffee posted...
Aybody else disappointed CT gets no interesting matches this year?


What? Two of the most important matches in the entire bracket involve CT!



Wel, Frog got wasted in stupid fashion. And if Magus blows Otocon out tomorrow, he is wasted too
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#143 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:33:52 PM | message detail
To put it another way, I consider 30% on (a non-Sprite) Snake far more impressive than 30% on today's Cloud. You could probably put 'Karma Hunter' and a picture of a cardboard box on the front page and have it garner 30% against Cloud.
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#144 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:34:03 PM | message detail
Cloud does better against Falcon in a 24 hour match, and Proto does better against Snake in a 24 hours match. Factor in Proto maybe being a little stronger, Falcon maybe overperforming, and...
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#145 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:34:12 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
What I'm learning in this topic is that Crono SFFs literally everyone.


also that Crono/Pikachu/(Magus/Otacon) isn't interesting at all
#146 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:34:31 PM | message detail
Keep in mind that Snake got 67% on Fox the next round, and I don't think any of us will deny that Fox is a solid midcarder. Perhaps the very definition of the term.

Both matches with Snake translate to a 58/42 win for Fox. I'd say anyone who can break 40% on Fox probably falls in the "low midcard" range.
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#147 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/30/2013 10:34:57 PM | message detail
I think it wouldn't hurt to establish different levels of "midcard," or at least simply acknowledge that midcard is easily the largest tier of characters we have. The Noble 9 are nine. The near-elites are like... another dozen? Then we have a ton of characters who'd never challenge someone like Bowser but shouldn't be called fodder either.
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#148 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/30/2013 10:36:52 PM | message detail
I also think the term fodder needs more clarification as well, because with as many entrants as we have now, it gets thrown around a little much.
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#149 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:37:09 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
The near-elites are like... another dozen?


I dunno if there are even that many anymore! Of course, everyone's definition on what qualifies as a near elite will differ, but I'd say it's anyone who could get at least 45% on someone like, say, Sonic.

I was about to say Crono, but that might extend beyond a dozen at this point!
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#150 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:38:15 PM | message detail
I know it goes against The Boss fodder line, who is probably a better gauge SFF-speaking, but for a pure litmus test nothing works better for fodder for me than Pac-Man. If you beat Pac-Man, you're low (maybe *real* low) midcard. If you're below him, you're fodder.
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