Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1084

#51 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 9:52:42 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
No it is called SFF. We've been dealing with it for a decade now, Leon. Keep up.


LOL telling me to keep up that's rich

Everyone overlaps with everyone. Saying "Two characters are RPG characters so they will obviously hurt each other" is a nice idea, but it doesn't actually hold up under actual match evidence.

Like where's Hayabusa winning because Kefka and Zack are both FF characters? Especially considering Hayabusa has proven to be decently strong in past contests.
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#52 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 9:53:39 PM | message detail
I just think we need to take a step back here and marvel, we're talking about a character who was considered the premiere threat to defeat up to half of the Noble Nine now seriously being considered to lose to Hal 'Otacon' Emmerich.
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#53 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 9:54:09 PM | message detail
In fact, I'm pretty sure there's a bigger overlap in playership between CT and MGS than there is between either game and Tales of the Abyss simply because TotA has an abysmal playrate on this site.
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#54 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 9:54:25 PM | message detail
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And Otacon doesn't really have much reason to have any strength. Sure, he's likable in a certain respect, but he's far from the type of character GameFAQs voters gravitate towards. If anything, he is the Tingle of the MGS series. And I'd expect Magus to crush Tingle in a head-to-head match-up.


Otacon doesn't deserve what you just did there.

No one deserves that. :(
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#55 | kinsho3 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:54:37 PM | message detail
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He got curbstomped by a character that went 50/50 with Captain Falcon this year... he's pretty weak.


Alucard and Captain Falcon are midcarders. Magus is a low midcarder. To get ~40% against a midcarder isn't so bad for a low midcarder.
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#56 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 9:55:06 PM | message detail
We've never even had a character like Otacon in these contests. I'm not so sure why everyone is so sure to say that this site would hate Otacon when this site is basically all nerds.
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#57 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:55:12 PM | message detail
Jade Curtiss is the closest thing we had to Tanner before this contest. He's not strong enough to hurt anyone.
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#58 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/30/2013 9:55:26 PM | message detail
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I think CT will be good this year. Certainly not the highs they once had, but I don't see them slipping from the last contest. CT's getting older, but the audience on the site these days is also probably the oldest its been, and without a lot of the big casual traffic that would go the other way against CT. Plus, it's Otacon. That's the real bottom of the MGS barrel.


The lower vote totals is most likely caused by a lot of the casual visitors not voting in the polls. There's more to the lower vote totals than just that, but eliminating a large portion of the casual vote means that the polls are now dominated by the hardcore visitors that have been here for years.
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#59 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 9:55:32 PM | message detail
Oh man Hayabusa didn't win a match stop the presses on that one. As someone said pre-match and post: Hayabusa just folds like a wet paper bag against people others actually care about. It is his destiny.

Anyway I don't claim to have all of the answers, but Kefka looked a lot weaker compared to Ryu than he should have going by the 2010 xstats. Zack probably did hurt Kefka a fair amount, it just didn't matter.

Could totally be the case here, too. Jade could hurt Magus by a few % points but it just ends up not mattering whatsoever as Magus kicks ass. I won't be too upset about that, I like Magus.
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#60 | ZFS | Posted 7/30/2013 9:56:07 PM | message detail
thank you luster
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#61 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 9:56:39 PM | message detail
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
He got curbstomped by a character that went 50/50 with Captain Falcon this year... he's pretty weak.


Alucard and Captain Falcon are midcarders. Magus is a low midcarder. To get ~40% against a midcarder isn't so bad for a low midcarder.


No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.
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#62 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 9:57:05 PM | message detail
Roxas (2010c) VS Magus (2010c)

Roxas has a strength of 24.04.
Magus has a strength of 23.40.

Roxas wins with 51.33% of the vote!
A win of 1,899 with 71,332 total votes cast.


Magus sucks.
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#63 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 9:58:44 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
but Kefka looked a lot weaker compared to Ryu than he should have going by the 2010 xstats.


Probably because we don't have an accurate number for Hayabusa for 2010.

But "genre SFF" doesn't really exist except in really unique cases. We haven't really seen it ever.
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#64 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:49 PM | message detail
In fact, if genre SFF existed, Hero would've finished dead last

that's right I said it
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#65 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:54 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Oh man Hayabusa didn't win a match stop the presses on that one. As someone said pre-match and post: Hayabusa just folds like a wet paper bag against people others actually care about. It is his destiny.


Not that I'm disagreeing with the overall sentiment, but Ryu H doesn't deserve that; he beat Zero straight up.

He then crumpled in the following round when Snake showed up (again), but people care about Zero!
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#66 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:58 PM | message detail
Not so much genre as much as genre + character archetype.

I wouldn't be arguing this if it was just an RPG thing, but Jade's role in his game has a lot of similarities with Magus' which is why I brought it up.
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#67 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:00:32 PM | message detail
He beat Zero with massive standout factor. Go look at that match pic.
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#68 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/30/2013 10:00:56 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
He got curbstomped by a character that went 50/50 with Captain Falcon this year... he's pretty weak.


Alucard and Captain Falcon are midcarders. Magus is a low midcarder. To get ~40% against a midcarder isn't so bad for a low midcarder.


No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


If you needed proof Ridley overperformed on Cloud that's it. Nobody is taking Zidane to kill Alucard and Falcon.
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#69 | kinsho3 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:01:10 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
kinsho3 posted...

You answered your own question.

That bag of sand went on to get crushed by Sub-Zero next round, so it's not like Sandbag had a joke rally behind it. Magus was legitimately weak enough to lose to Sandbag.


I actually think Sandbag didn't do too bad in that 2nd round match-up. It doesn't have that same joke appeal as its other brethren. I think, in comparison to the likes of other jokes like L-Block and WCC, Sandbag is really weak. Frankly, you put him in a head-to-head matchup against Magus and Magus should win that comfortably.
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#70 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:01:27 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Achromatic posted...
Oh man Hayabusa didn't win a match stop the presses on that one. As someone said pre-match and post: Hayabusa just folds like a wet paper bag against people others actually care about. It is his destiny.


Not that I'm disagreeing with the overall sentiment, but Ryu H doesn't deserve that; he beat Zero straight up.

He then crumpled in the following round when Snake showed up (again), but people care about Zero!


Eh, 1/2 for four ways in one round don't count enough for me to care. He got trashed the next round so...!
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#71 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:01:34 PM | message detail
Yeah, but again, I'd be surprised if TotA has a higher overlap with CT than MGS does because TotA will have a low playership rate.

Not really sure "Similar role SFF" is a thing either. Otherwise Link would slaughter silent protagonists a lot harder than he already does!
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#72 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:02:13 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Yeah, but again, I'd be surprised if TotA has a higher overlap with CT than MGS does because TotA will have a low playership rate.

Not really sure "Similar role SFF" is a thing either. Otherwise Link would slaughter silent protagonists a lot harder than he already does!


Did you see what he did to poor Crono <_<.
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#73 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:02:51 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
If you needed proof Ridley overperformed on Cloud that's it. Nobody is taking Zidane to kill Alucard and Falcon.


Zidane could beat either guy nowadays and I wouldn't be surprised. Ike did better against Pikachu than Falcon did, after all, and Zidane nearly beat Ike.

Of course, Ridley > Falcon looks bad on paper and I wouldn't pick it, but still, those two guys are probably pretty close together.
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#74 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/30/2013 10:02:58 PM | message detail
Funny thing is that I remember some people considered SFF in the Link vs Crono match in 2004.
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#75 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:03:17 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
kinsho3 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
He got curbstomped by a character that went 50/50 with Captain Falcon this year... he's pretty weak.


Alucard and Captain Falcon are midcarders. Magus is a low midcarder. To get ~40% against a midcarder isn't so bad for a low midcarder.


No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


If you needed proof Ridley overperformed on Cloud that's it. Nobody is taking Zidane to kill Alucard and Falcon.


They, uh, should. Falcon and Ridley both overperformed on Cloud last contest. Alucard overperformed on Link similarly (or even a tad more considering Falcon has a good argument to be stronger in a 24 hour mach), so it didn't throw things out of whack.

It happens sometimes, e.g. Tidus/Shadow.
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#76 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:03:39 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Did you see what he did to poor Crono <_<.


When? Here?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1774

Probably a really good showing for Crono there, all things considered!
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#77 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:03:45 PM | message detail
Otacon isn't going to beat Magus because of RPG LFF, he's going to beat Magus because he's going to be stronger than Magus. MGS has yet to produce a character that wouldn't completely roll over Magus at this point.
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#78 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:04:31 PM | message detail
Are all things considered "One is named Link" because Crono had just got done kicking Mario's ass and so didn't deserve that <_<.
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#79 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:04:37 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2882

Kinda weird to think Zidane probably beats ALL of those guys now.
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#80 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:04:51 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Otacon isn't going to beat Magus because of RPG LFF, he's going to beat Magus because he's going to be stronger than Magus. MGS has yet to produce a character that wouldn't completely roll over Magus at this point.


so we're uh considering Revengeance distinct from MGS I'm assuming
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#81 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:05:30 PM | message detail
Oh, I don't deny Crono didn't deserve it.

But considering two characters ever have broken 40% on Link 1-on-1 and they're both from FFVII, that's not a bad show!
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#82 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:05:44 PM | message detail
Solid Snake? Kills Magus.
Big Boss? Kills Magus.
Raiden? Kills Magus.
Ocelot? Kills Magus.
The Boss? Kills Magus.

Otacon is just continuing the line.
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#83 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:07:03 PM | message detail
If Magus loses by 2% or less I am so claiming Tales LFF screwed him.

Unless Jade gets like 5% himself, which hey is possible I gues.
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#84 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:07:53 PM | message detail
So Hades got the board vote, huh.

Hades

If Pit isn't beating Cecil out of the gate, he's boned.
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#85 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:08:35 PM | message detail
Claim what you want, but if Magus is weak enough to lose to Otacon because Jade Curtiss is in the match, he pretty much sucks either way!
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#86 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:09:05 PM | message detail
I have never once said Magus does not suck, to be fair.
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#87 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:09:27 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
If Magus loses by 2% or less I am so claiming Tales LFF screwed him.

Unless Jade gets like 5% himself, which hey is possible I gues.


Jade got 6% of the vote against Zack, Wario, and Cecil... and he's probably weakened since then.

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#88 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:10:36 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Jade got 6% of the vote against Zack, Wario, and Cecil... and he's probably weakened since then.

I believe


Less than 6%, actually! You were too generous!

(Only slightly less, he got 5.92% but I just wanted to say you gave Jade Curtiss too much credit)
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#89 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:10:38 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Achromatic posted...
If Magus loses by 2% or less I am so claiming Tales LFF screwed him.

Unless Jade gets like 5% himself, which hey is possible I gues.


Jade got 6% of the vote against Zack, Wario, and Cecil... and he's probably weakened since then.

I believe


Three characters stronger than Magus and with less votes it is harder to get that low of a %

Let's not act as if Jade is Spring Breeze Dancin or Caim or Chester. He is lowly but people at least know him every now and then.
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#90 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:11:53 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Achromatic posted...
If Magus loses by 2% or less I am so claiming Tales LFF screwed him.

Unless Jade gets like 5% himself, which hey is possible I gues.


Jade got 6% of the vote against Zack, Wario, and Cecil... and he's probably weakened since then.

I believe


Three characters stronger than Magus and with less votes it is harder to get that low of a %

Let's not act as if Jade is Spring Breeze Dancin or Caim or Chester. He is lowly but people at least know him every now and then.


not if Magus SFFs him <_<
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#91 | Achromatic | Posted 7/30/2013 10:12:41 PM | message detail | (edited)
Magus couldn't SFF himself.

Well, not anymore at any rate.
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#92 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:12:37 PM | message detail
Oh, I forgot Liquid Snake.

He kills Magus assuming he isn't having one of his 'episodes'.
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#93 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2013 10:13:01 PM | message detail
Magus v Magus v Magus

lowest votal match in GameFAQs history
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#94 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:13:10 PM | message detail
Wait, Magus loses to Wario?

I think that's the most embarrassing scenario I've heard yet.
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#95 | kinsho3 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:13:38 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
No, Alucard and Falcon are low midcarders, people need to accept that - the latter essentially put up the same number on Cloud as Ridley did. Magus is bordering on fodder these days.


The idea that they're low midcarders sounds ludicrous to me. If they were low midcarders, then so are Sub-Zero, Tidus, etc.

And Zidane beating the likes of Alucard/Falcon/Sub-Zero/Tidus just sounds implausible.
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#96 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:14:37 PM | message detail
Tidus is a low midcarder.

Sub-Zero's probably right where "low" and "middle" converge.
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#97 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/30/2013 10:15:07 PM | message detail
Leon vs. Gordon looks to be good.
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#98 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/30/2013 10:15:11 PM | message detail
I don't have any real issues with Zidane>Alucard/Falcon/Tidus. Sub-Zero is a bit too much.
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#99 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/30/2013 10:15:12 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Wait, Magus loses to Wario?

I think that's the most embarrassing scenario I've heard yet.


Well... would you take him over Raiden?

Look what Waluigi did on him

Waluigi Vs. Magus who you got
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#100 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 10:15:44 PM | message detail
I think Tidus would beat Zidane head to head, but Zidane being indirectly stronger wouldn't surprise me.
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