Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1083

#351 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/30/2013 9:52:04 AM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
Squall couldn't SFF Terra either so not quite sure what your point is.


Squall is not the strongest guy in the entire Final Fantasy series, so he doesn't have the same kind of SFF power that Cloud and Sephiroth have. Leon happens to be the strongest RE guy, so that does give him some degree of SFF power over the weaker RE guys.
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#352 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:53:07 AM | message detail
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#353 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:53:23 AM | message detail
Why would anyone prefer Wolf over Fox
Even in SSBB,I hate him for the reason he is the THIRD FOX CLONE
Falco was bad enough (inb4 i'm called noob for not noticing the difference between the three of them)
#354 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/30/2013 9:53:25 AM | message detail
Weaker looks stronger too because he gets support from the Fight Games community as well thanks to MvC.
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#355 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:53:45 AM | message detail
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?
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#356 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:54:59 AM | message detail
Wolf is super cool and wears an eyepatch and inconsistently has two different rad accents and is accompanied by the best music in the Star Fox series.


how could you not prefer him to Fox
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#357 | pjbasis | Posted 7/30/2013 9:55:17 AM | message detail
That's not the way it works Luster.

Cloud doesn't SFF Sephiroth that hard does he?
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#358 | Whupassman | Posted 7/30/2013 9:55:19 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Why would anyone prefer Wolf over Fox
Even in SSBB,I hate him for the reason he is the THIRD FOX CLONE
Falco was bad enough (inb4 i'm called noob for not noticing the difference between the three of them)


For the "Evulz" and "Badz Is Bettur". Plus Wolves are cool animals who get an unfair rap!

*puts on Wolf suit ala Max from that Wild Things book and attacks people*
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#359 | superange128 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:56:14 AM | message detail
-Wolf has a less plain personality
-Cool theme song
-More memorable quotes
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#360 | creativename | Posted 7/30/2013 9:57:18 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Why would anyone prefer Wolf over Fox
Even in SSBB,I hate him for the reason he is the THIRD FOX CLONE
Falco was bad enough (inb4 i'm called noob for not noticing the difference between the three of them)

They would prefer Wolf over Fox because Wolf was badass in Star Fox 64. Not everything is about Brawl. (yes, I know, shocking to Smash fans)
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#361 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/30/2013 9:57:20 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Cloud doesn't SFF Sephiroth that hard does he?


Cloud/Sephiroth without any SFF is probably a 53/47 match. Adding in SFF makes it somewhere around a 57/43 match. So even Cloud can SFF Sephiroth.
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#362 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:57:23 AM | message detail
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


Chris/Jill would be close. Claire finished over Ada in 2006, but Ada could be stronger now.
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#363 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:58:03 AM | message detail
Also Nemesis would be around Ada/Claire range.
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#364 | superange128 | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:05 AM | message detail
I would go Jill > Wesker > Chris but everything else is probably right
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#365 | pjbasis | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:21 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Cloud/Sephiroth without any SFF is probably a 53/47 match. Adding in SFF makes it somewhere around a 57/43 match. So even Cloud can SFF Sephiroth.


Ok, and you can see how that's not close to what Link would do to Mario right.
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#366 | Xuxon | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:22 AM | message detail
From: pjbasis | Posted: 7/30/2013 12:55:17 PM | #357
That's not the way it works Luster.

Cloud doesn't SFF Sephiroth that hard does he?

he didn't at all in 2003, but with 4-ways...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/2923
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3305
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#367 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/30/2013 9:59:54 AM | message detail
#368 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/30/2013 10:00:45 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


Leon > Chris = Jill > Wesker > Claire > Ada imo. Chris has had MvC3, RE6 and RE:Revelations since the last contest, was hoping that he would put all these to good use but lol, he didn't even make it to the field.
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#369 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:01:49 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


Leon > Jill > Wesker > Chris > the other two
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#370 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:02:52 AM | message detail
OK so hm..poor Red Bird going against Jill
Red Bird vs Ada Wong who you got
#371 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/30/2013 10:03:38 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3420
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4284


Huh, the polls are only 2 years apart, but Wesker improved significantly during the 2 year gap between both polls. Chris actually lost to Wesker in both polls, although I would have picked Chris over Wesker in an actual contest setting.
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#372 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/30/2013 10:05:13 AM | message detail
Oliver doesn't have a chance to make this interesting, does he?
#373 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/30/2013 10:05:42 AM | message detail
Chris has a lot of stuff but does anyone actually really like him?

I don't know. Him and Wesker would be close.
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#374 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:07:11 AM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
Safer_777 posted...
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


Leon > Chris = Jill > Wesker > Claire > Ada imo. Chris has had MvC3, RE6 and RE:Revelations since the last contest, was hoping that he would put all these to good use but lol, he didn't even make it to the field.


Even with all that, he's still Chris Redfield. He's just not very likable.
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#375 | pjbasis | Posted 7/30/2013 10:09:04 AM | message detail
I think Chris would fold to Jill and Wesker pretty easily
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#376 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/30/2013 10:12:05 AM | message detail
Oliver has won the last 15 minutes by 8 votes. He has a stall and 2 cuts since 12:55.
#377 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/30/2013 10:12:44 AM | message detail
MoogleKupo141 posted...
ZinsanityCraze posted...
Safer_777 posted...
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


Leon > Chris = Jill > Wesker > Claire > Ada imo. Chris has had MvC3, RE6 and RE:Revelations since the last contest, was hoping that he would put all these to good use but lol, he didn't even make it to the field.


Even with all that, he's still Chris Redfield. He's just not very likable.


Huh? I never said he's likable or anything. Pretty sure he was relatively close to Jill's strength after RE5. He's kinda like Raiden, pretty decent indirectly but will fold handily when you put him and the rest of the cast in the same poll.
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#378 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:13:30 AM | message detail
Man I undershot Oliver so hard. The fodder is killing me this contest.
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#379 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/30/2013 10:14:17 AM | message detail
lol Wesker
(ok this is more like lol SFF'd Wesker though)
#380 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/30/2013 10:15:55 AM | message detail
So speaking about the match later tonight, does Hades performance have any impact on Pit?

If he looks good it could mean good things about Pit getting an Uprising boost. If he looks bad then...yeah.
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#381 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/30/2013 10:16:41 AM | message detail
And there goes any hopes of a comeback.
#382 | Sorozone | Posted 7/30/2013 10:38:14 AM | message detail
Chris has gotten progressively worse in each new RE he appears in. I mean, he was alright in Revelations, he was down right awful in 6.
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#383 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/30/2013 10:56:51 AM | message detail
superange128 posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Man, figured Wesker would be getting SFF'd into the ground.


it probably helps they don't even appear in the same game together


You're not completely right, however Wesker's only role in RE4 is in Ada's side story.
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#384 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/30/2013 11:00:12 AM | message detail
Also am I the only one here who finds Oliver's performance surprisingly good? At the very least I thought he's be below 15% and instead he's at 21% and breaking 40% on Wesker, who's breaking 35% on Leon. Thus making him the first recent character not to crap the bed.
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#385 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/30/2013 11:02:21 AM | message detail
TheOneAboveAll posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
TheOneAboveAll posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Also I just realized that assuming a constant Magus from 2003 to 2010, 2003 Link is on the same level as...2010 Kirby.

What happened to Link back then, we'll never know. Heck, for all we know Samus could have been worth 45% on him before SFF back then.


You're making a pointless and irrelevant assumption. There is no overlap from year to year. Finding who was constant the most might make comparisons easier, but it's also irrelevant. If you assume a constant Magus, then the whole field got a lot weaker. If you assume a constant Link, then most of the field got stronger while isolated characters (like Crono) got weaker. If you assume a constant Pikachu, then the field is much stronger now than it was then. Assuming a character stays constant might have its uses, but it is ultimately a pointless endeavor. If 2003 Link=2010 Kirby, then 2010 Kirby would have beaten every 2003 character except for Cloud and maybe Sephiroth and 2010 Link would have basically 70/30d the entire 2003 field, NN included. It might be fun and silly, but it's entirely irrelevant.


I wasn't trying to make a point at all. I was just...curious about something, that's all.


Right. And my point was that your curiosity is misplaced. Not only because assuming anyone stays constant is silly and irrelevant, but because it's clear that Magus is a ton weaker now (both relative to the field and himself) than he was then.


He's definitely weaker, however I'm not really sure if he's a "ton" weaker since he may have been overrated by x-stats to begin with.

As for beating Ganondorf...Ganondorf struggled with Tidus that same contest. But then again I guess 2003 was Tidus's best year.
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#386 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 7/30/2013 11:03:14 AM | message detail | (edited)
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Also am I the only one here who finds Oliver's performance surprisingly good? At the very least I thought he's be below 15% and instead he's at 21% and breaking 40% on Wesker, who's breaking 35% on Leon. Thus making him the first recent character not to crap the bed.



You're forgetting the LFF in this match.
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#387 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/30/2013 11:28:43 AM | message detail
MoogleKupo141 posted...
Shadow the Hedgehog is the Linkin Park of video game characters.


That's...oddly appropriate.
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#388 | Whupassman | Posted 7/30/2013 11:31:30 AM | message detail
^ Well, his popularity peaked around theirs.
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#389 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/30/2013 11:59:26 AM | message detail
MoogleKupo141 posted...
ZinsanityCraze posted...
Safer_777 posted...
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


Leon > Chris = Jill > Wesker > Claire > Ada imo. Chris has had MvC3, RE6 and RE:Revelations since the last contest, was hoping that he would put all these to good use but lol, he didn't even make it to the field.


Even with all that, he's still Chris Redfield. He's just not very likable.


Pshaw, in what world is Chris not likeable? Maybe he's not so great in RE, but in MvC3 he's just amazing. Roger Craig Smith put in a lot of effort into each of his lines and it shows. "It's all or nothing!"
#390 | The_Djoker | Posted 7/30/2013 12:29:42 PM | message detail | (edited)
Safer_777 posted...
So what is the order of strength of RE characters that have appeared int the contest?
Leon>Chris>Jill>Wesker>Ada>Claire?


lol Chris wouldn't beat Jill. She's always been a more likeable and more popular character. If it wasn't for RE4 becoming almost a seperate entity Jill would be the strongest RE character easily.

Pshaw, in what world is Chris not likeable? Maybe he's not so great in RE, but in MvC3 he's just amazing. Roger Craig Smith put in a lot of effort into each of his lines and it shows. "It's all or nothing!"

People don't care about MVC3 anymore. When they vote for characters it's usually their appearance in their own games and peoples dislike/like for them. Chris just isn't that popular and is only boosted by the fact he's in almost every RE game. Chris just isn't a good character period.
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#391 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/30/2013 12:40:28 PM | message detail
I don't care if you think MvC3 is relevant or not anymore. You missed the point I was making, which is that Chris IS likeable there, so it's not like he's a wholly unlikeable character who nobody would give a damn for like, say, Wario. I wasn't talking about strength or a game's relevance, only that if a character can look great in at least one game, that means he's simply not as bad a character as Moogle made him out to be.
#392 | Surskit | Posted 7/30/2013 12:57:28 PM | message detail
the only thing likeable about chris are his ever-growing biceps
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#393 | Sorozone | Posted 7/30/2013 1:10:54 PM | message detail
#394 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 1:12:09 PM | message detail
This is the first time we've actually seen two RE characters face off, so we really had nothing to base any particular SFF "expectations" off of.

ZinsanityCraze posted...
Squall couldn't SFF Terra either so not quite sure what your point is.


That's because Old and Modern Square don't have big, disproportionate overlap!
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#395 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/30/2013 1:12:11 PM | message detail
whoa are you really saying people don't care about mvc3 anymore

did you see the EVO viewer count this year
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#396 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 1:14:10 PM | message detail
People who don't play fighting games think people don't care about fighting games anymore.
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#397 | StarStormScream | Posted 7/30/2013 1:18:46 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
People who don't play fighting games think people don't care about fighting games anymore.


That seems to be the common misconception on Board 8.
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#398 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/30/2013 1:21:29 PM | message detail
StarStormScream posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
People who don't play fighting games think people don't care about fighting games anymore.


That seems to be the common misconception on Board 8.


Well yeah, Board 8 has kinda terrible taste for some things. Nothing new there! At least a big chunk of the board likes to educate itself on games often.
#399 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/30/2013 2:16:32 PM | message detail
BACON HAS PASSED SOME RULINGS:

Strider good, ROB not, Digimon would be fine but honestly none would get in, Civ characters are utterly generic with no unique game personalities, Tiencha is an offshoot of non-game characters.
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#400 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/30/2013 2:22:37 PM | message detail
Chart from yesterday's day match:

Time | Dancin' | Zidane | Ridley | Votes
0:05 | 11.98% | 47.49% | 40.52% | 459
1:00 | 5.96% | 50.80% | 43.23% | 4915
2:00 | 5.09% | 52.09% | 42.83% | 3596
3:00 | 4.70% | 51.50% | 43.81% | 3173
4:00 | 5.24% | 53.07% | 41.69% | 2670
5:00 | 4.87% | 53.21% | 41.92% | 2443
6:00 | 5.93% | 50.21% | 43.86% | 2410
7:00 | 5.72% | 48.28% | 46.01% | 2291
8:00 | 4.85% | 53.30% | 41.86% | 2002
9:00 | 4.81% | 51.39% | 43.80% | 1911
10:00 | 4.96% | 49.63% | 45.42% | 1735
11:00 | 4.99% | 52.99% | 42.02% | 1623
12:00 | 5.27% | 52.24% | 42.50% | 1386

SBD is all board vote, of course. Ridley has a few hours where he keeps Zidane under 50%, including one where he came sorta close to winning, but a METROID DAY VOTE AGAINST FINAL FANTASY?! NOT HERE FOLKS!

X-Stats:

Zidane Tribal – 50.00%
Ridley – 45.63%
Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 9.27%

Zidane's prediction percentage was 48.84%
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