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meat boy's got that match --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
I gained overwhelming confidence in Game and Watch after the Clementine match. >_> --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? GotD (219/384) Melee v FFX |
I'm banking on that match. ib4lolcoward --- Pokemon Showdown Peak Ranking OU: 2004 And then lost 7 matches in a row >_> |
How can people possibly be conflicted on that match RacistFAQs doesn't extend to G&W probably --- sig |
No,
they're exactly the type of counterexamples to cite, because that's
what mainstream is nowadays. The old Nintendo classics, they're
well-known, but I doubt the so-called mainstream no longer sees them as
relevant. (Actually, I'm almost positive they don't. Cool, sure, because
they're "retro", but not relevant to gaming in 2013.) ...Wait, that might just be it! I thought FFVI was still a little too recent for that, but then again it's not a hard-and-fast law, more like an estimate...Yeah. Given the quality of opponents Frog faced, I think his performance was a bit underwhelming, but Chrono Trigger's only at 18 years. Still a little early. But we're coming close to that 20-year mark where something stops being "old" and starts being "retro". FFVI came out in 1994, so it's still a little premature...but then again, don't things move faster in the gaming world? I mean, look at all of the PSX icons performing well. (Against weak competition, but still.) The PS4 and XBone aren't out yet, but they're coming soon, and the WiiU is already out, so the PSX and N64 are now three gaming generations ago. (Although I'm not sure why I even bothered mentioning the N64 since most of its signature games featured characters who originated on other systems. Quick, how many characters in the bracket had their debut game on the N64? ...six, and most of them were side characters in franchises that originated on an earlier Nintendo system. Epona, Spring Breeze Dancin', Waluigi, Banjo, Wolf, and Tingle.) --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
xp1337 posted... kinsho3 posted...Anyway, what's the next debatable match? Sora/Scorpion? Lee Everett/G&W? Don't know What I do know is that not having Magus in the next round won't matter If Magus can't beat Otacon,Crono is not going anywhere near Pikachu even without Magus in the picture |
Karma Hunter posted... I can't even begin to stress the amount of overwhelming confidence I have in G&W. I hedge on every single match like a mofo and I still can't possibly imagine him losing. I honestly feel that Game & Watch being in last place is a greater possibility than him winning. I know I said that earlier, but in between I felt that Game & Watch could win. Now though... Magus vs. Otacon has been debated in the shadows methinks. I ultimately decided that since the characters are from Chrono Trigger and Metal Gear Solid - whose entrants are notorious for getting saved by the board at the last minute - I figured that we'd have a close match for the ages where the board would bail Magus out at the last minute. That being said, I picked Otacon in my bracket and will stick with him for Expert Challenge (until a few days ago it seemed that pretty much every time I changed from my initial pick I ended up losing out). --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
So
Zidane + Ridley vs Mewtwo + Zero which pair is stronger. I guess it's
Zidane + Ridley? But by how much? Dancin may finish below 5% here. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
I'd take Ridley over Mr. Game & Watch. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Game & Watch match is going to be the most dangerous for the last zero bracket This is the only match without a clear "not first" character |
xp1337 posted... kinsho3 posted...Anyway, what's the next debatable match? Sora/Scorpion? Lee Everett/G&W? lol otacon --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
well Mewtwo I'd take easily over Zidane and Ridley but Zidane and Ridley would destory 0 so overall Zidane/Ridley --- Want any VNs pre-patched? PM me. List of VNs can be found by clicking on my username. |
Magus
can drop it to Otacon (though I severely doubt he will), and it'll only
help Crono. Crono got revenge on Vincent and made it to the finals in
the same year that Magus lost to a bag of sand, remember? --- sig |
I
think Lee Everett is a pretty clear not-first at this point,
considering how much newer characters have been sucking and how
Clementine didn't really impress. Right now I'm kinda leaning Meat Boy to win, but honestly who the hell knows how Game and Watch will do. He might have Sandbag-level strength by acting as a sort of Smash mascot, or he may be pathetic because he really has nothing else going for him and isn't even that big a deal in those games. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Ridley currently has 88% on someone? --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Not_Wylvane posted... I think Lee Everett is a pretty clear not-first at this point, considering how much newer characters have been sucking and how Clementine didn't really impress. But...but...Everett stands out in that match! --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Lopen posted... So Zidane + Ridley vs Mewtwo + Zero which pair is stronger. I guess it's Zidane + Ridley? But by how much? Dancin may finish below 5% here. If we want Chester/Dancin comparisons, I think you need Mewtwo > Zidane to be around 80-20 or worse to replace Chester as the weakest character. But someone else can check that to be sure. Either way, I'm taking Zidane/Ridley to be the stronger group. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? GotD (219/384) Melee v FFX |
KamikazePotato posted... Yu beating Shadow would make my contest. I think we're all in agreement about spamming Persona 4 quotes and Reach Out To The Truth (and Time To Make History) if Yu is even remotely close to pulling the upset, right? Because seriously, if there's one guy in the bracket who deserves marking out it's him. |
Although
as a very slight topic shift I'm absolutely floored even after all this
time that the Dissidia games could do so much for these characters.
Makes you wonder what Square could do if they ever got their act
together. --- sig |
Dancin
seems to be stabilizing at around 5.8%. If he got below 5% though we
could have Zidane being worth 11 of him which would at least be worth
considering vs Mewtwo being worth 23 Chesters I think. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Nanis23 posted... Game & Watch match is going to be the most dangerous for the last zero bracket Kat,Oliver and Albert,Hades and Simon Sarah and Missile,Big Daddy and Lloyed,Jade Aya,Kaim,Lu Bu,Lee Evrett(I dunno) (I actually no idea about Pacman match) Wolf,Sandbag and Isaac,Catherine Seifer and Celes(actually this match is kinda dangerous,but there is SFF so no) Bomberman and Tails,Roxas,Palutena Pyramid Head,Claire Redfield,Cirno Duke Nukem and Fawful,Marisa Kirisame,Guybrush Threepwood and Max Payne Rayman and Commander Video,Adol Christin,Banjo The King of All Cosmos,Corvo Attano and Sissel,Urdnot Wrex Geno,Recette Lemongrass and Travis Mike Haggar (yeah i'm giving Red Bird a chance!) Boko,Lenneth Valkyrie,Lyndis Sackboy,Falco Lombardi,Nier So the only matches left a zero bracket can fall are Lee/Game/Meat,Pac/Steve/Nathan and Seifeir/Celes/Kunckles |
KanzarisKelshen posted... KamikazePotato posted...Yu beating Shadow would make my contest. It never ceases to amaze me how the people who have the worst posts in these topics are also the people who constantly use pro-wrestling terms. There must be a correlation between post quality and having the maturity level of a 13 year old. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...KamikazePotato posted...Yu beating Shadow would make my contest. Turtle acting like a jerk again, bravo!!! --- The cycle of life and death continues. We will live. And they will die. |
Unless
something very stupid goes on in those matches, all those have a clear
not-first. Meat Boy, Steve and Celes are not winning their matches. I'd
honestly feel less comfortable with Groose/Lu Bu/Yoshimitsu, because I'm
not sure if the zero bracketmaker did his homework for how assy
Yoshimitsu was. |
JustForFun1988 posted... BlAcK TuRtLe posted...KanzarisKelshen posted...KamikazePotato posted...Yu beating Shadow would make my contest. He is butthurt Zidane is winning |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...KamikazePotato posted...Yu beating Shadow would make my contest. Are you implying Yoblazer is a bad poster, Turtle? Because if so we're gonna have words. If you want to snipe at people, do it in a way that doesn't end up with good people caught in the crossfire. A simple 'haha look at this guy, he sucks' will do. Thanks. |
Turtle why you gotta be like that a turtle won its match yesterday, too and you gotta be like that --- ~Zen |
I'm
assuming a BlAck TurTLe is some obscure wrestling term about winning
via surprise roll-up or something. Only way that post makes sense! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Nanis23 posted... JustForFun1988 posted...BlAcK TuRtLe posted...KanzarisKelshen posted...KamikazePotato posted...Yu beating Shadow would make my contest. Along these lines if anyone's interested, assuming a constant Ridley, Zidane is now projected to cleanly beat the likes of Leon Kennedy, Sub-Zero, Alucard, and Vivi. <_< --- sig |
Ridley
was probably overrated by the stats-- probably by fighting Cloud.
These percentages aren't surprising me that much. I didn't look at that
stats, just eyeballed it and thought Zidane probably ~= Diablo 2k5 at
this point and Ridley has at best had a small boost since then. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
charmander6000 posted... Tharja is by far the weakest in round 2 with only unrallied Draven possibly being weaker. Yeah, probably. LinkMarioSamus posted... We should treat the rallies as a part of Draven's strength. Agreed on the first and third points but not the second. Ridley would easily win that match; that was an all-fodder match where it was essentially a battle of who was the least foddery. A recognizable character dating back to the earliest generations of gaming, with a Smash appearance? Easy win. As for treating the rallies as part of Draven's strength, I definitely agree. I also want to posit something else, and there's really no way to prove it but it's definitely a theory to consider. Could Draven also have been getting anti-voted? Remember, saying that Draven was losing to Chie before the rally started is greatly understating it. Chie was far closer to Jak than she was to Draven before Draven's rally started--it took almost twice as long for Jak to build up a 1000-vote lead over her as it took for her to build up a 1000-vote lead over Draven. Listed are some raw vote totals from various matches. Note that only two of these did not advance to the second round. Dracula 13906 Sub-Zero 13612 Lugia 13362 Jak 13191 Altair 13157 (in a day match!) Epona 12989 Ness 12979 (also a day match) Phoenix Wright 11914 Kefka 11443 (this was a day match, too! Albeit one where the third-place finisher had over 29%) Crash Bandicoot 11242 Ike 11023 (again, third place was good for almost 29%, but this was a day match) Tharja 11016 Chie Satonaka 10465 Alucard 10242 Elizabeth 10217 Ain't it pretty? I've noticed that enthusiasm seems to be dying off in general--a lot of these were from more recent matches. I mean Tharja/Juliet/Tina broke 30000 while that super-exciting Alucard/Falcon/Rydia match came up well short. But, yeah, two characters have already advanced to the third round while drawing fewer raw votes than the third-place finisher in that match. Either they had strength in their own right, or there was some serious anti-voting going on before the fanbase countered it with a rally. That's still the only match thus far where the third-place finisher broke 10000, by the way; the next-best total by a third-place finisher was Ryu Hayabusa's 8955, followed close behind by Eggman's 8909 and then...um...Juliet Starling's 8651, the only others to break 8000. Okay, yeah, TJF really does bring in the votes. Juliet Starling had the fourth-best total by a third-place finisher. Guess we should focus our rallying efforts for CBX on attractive female characters. But back to the present. Can we take anything of meaning out of that Draven > Jak > Chie result? Like, maybe something that could be relevant in less than 12 hours? ...Yeah. It was inflated by the fact that the match was rallied, but Chie actually got a damn nice total. If P4 really does have that kind of strength, could we be overlooking Yu? --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
I think Ridley making it without support over Liquid and Jecht and others considered stronger than him says a lot I don't even know who I'd take for Jecht vs Ridley now I think Jecht? --- ~Zen |
Marth > Ridley and Jecht > Phoenix so yeah --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Lopen posted... Ridley was probably overrated by the stats-- probably by fighting Cloud. These percentages aren't surprising me that much. I didn't look at that stats, just eyeballed it and thought Zidane probably ~= Diablo 2k5 at this point and Ridley has at best had a small boost since then. Oh yeah Ridley's easily overrated, that's my point (or massive Other M Deboost are you kids hyped now). Most of us got this match right despite him being cleanly above Zidane in the stats. But it's fun to thumb at those who don't like seeing Zidane so high --- sig |
I
actually take Phoenix to beat Jecht in a rematch. Really think that's
the kind of character who's just going to get stronger as his playership
keeps slowly increasing. Though yeah Jecht > Ridley. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Zidane was behind Mario/Ike SFF anyway, so using direct comparisons to Ridley there was already pretty messy. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
Also, neat, Zidane's over 90% on SBD now. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
ZenOfThunder posted... I think Ridley making it without support over Liquid and Jecht and others considered stronger than him says a lot Using Ike/Zidane 2010 and setting Ike = Protoman projects Jecht to beat Ridley 56.5-43.5... he's got Dissidia too so I'd feel comfortable taking Jecht. --- sig |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Unless something very stupid goes on in those matches, all those have a clear not-first. Meat Boy, Steve and Celes are not winning their matches. I'd honestly feel less comfortable with Groose/Lu Bu/Yoshimitsu, because I'm not sure if the zero bracketmaker did his homework for how assy Yoshimitsu was. So when people talk about Game & Watch match being debateable,they talk about him vs Lee? I dunno,Meat Boy performance in the rivalry contest was fine (yeah I know this contest doesn't know,but this is the only data we got on...any of them) As for Steve...I really don't know anything about Minecraft or it's popularity Celes..yeah,but this is more like me talking out of fear because of the Kefka/Zack/Ryu match |
Lopen posted... I actually take Phoenix to beat Jecht in a rematch. Really think that's the kind of character who's just going to get stronger as his playership keeps slowly increasing. I wonder where Phoenix theoretically would be strength wise if he had been in Brawl. Lower 30's? --- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time |
how long is it going to take for SBD to Chester (get Chester's vote total) |
He looks on course to Chester around 5 PM EST, I think. --- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
As for what TsunamiXXVIII wrote I don't think that Chie results show he was anti votes It's just that more people voted in general,and while the majority prefered to vote for Draven (for obvious reasons) some of them also voted for Chie... And because the vote totals are 9k more than the second most popular..it shows off |
Wow.
That is one beautiful results screen. Zidane and SBD both have the same
number on both sides of the decimal point (5.5% for SBD and 51.51% for
Zidane), and Ridley's percentage has no decimal point. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Nanis23 posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...Unless something very stupid goes on in those matches, all those have a clear not-first. Meat Boy, Steve and Celes are not winning their matches. I'd honestly feel less comfortable with Groose/Lu Bu/Yoshimitsu, because I'm not sure if the zero bracketmaker did his homework for how assy Yoshimitsu was. Yes, it was supposed to be Lee vs G&W. Meat Boy was never in the match. |
Also: SBD's last ten updates: 12 16 16 12 14 12 12 12 13 12 That's...pretty consistent, I guess. Getting the same exact total on six out of ten updates is pretty cool. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
I just realized the map looks like Christmas. Nice to see. Rare to see blue have no sway on the map at all. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Nanis23 posted...KanzarisKelshen posted...Unless something very stupid goes on in those matches, all those have a clear not-first. Meat Boy, Steve and Celes are not winning their matches. I'd honestly feel less comfortable with Groose/Lu Bu/Yoshimitsu, because I'm not sure if the zero bracketmaker did his homework for how assy Yoshimitsu was. I agree that Meat Boy's RR performance was cause for concern, but yeah, the original question was Lee/G&W. Now that it looks fairly safe to call it a G&W win...what does that do to Round 2? Remember, the final match of that division has nothing but Nintendo characters, so a Game & Watch win sets up another "two Nintendo, one non-Nintendo" match no matter what. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Lopen posted... I just realized the map looks like Christmas. Nice to see. Rare to see blue have no sway on the map at all. Yeah, only other time that's happened thus far, I think, was Chester's match, but red wasn't doing much better there. We've still yet to see any contestant fail to take even one country/self-governing dependency/whatever, although the map for Big Boss/Peacock/Viridian doesn't have any red on it because Viridian's only outright win was the Isle of Man. Chester also had only one outright win, in Myanmar, but of course, as the blue option, three other countries/dependencies/protectorates/etc. were in his color, one a three-way tie and the others, oddly enough, countries where he tied with Zero for the lead. Pretty sure Spring Breeze Dancin' won't get shut out, either. The only country on the map where he's leading is South Korea, which seems like too big a country to end up on such a weak character's path, but when you look at the source code, he's also got 100% of the vote from a country that has only voted in 5 of the previous 41 matches. Even if that's only one vote, the fact that 36 of the previous 41 matches have seen no votes come out of Guadeloupe makes me think that it's unlikely someone else will show up to allow Zidane or Ridley to tie it up. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
If we can see the % each place has,why can't we see the amount of votes...? why hide it? |
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