Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1082

#151 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 11:47:09 PM | message detail | (edited)
You know, today's poll seems familiar...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3463

Oh, right.
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#152 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/28/2013 11:48:12 PM | message detail
Looking at the remaining potential Pokemon on the list, Gardevoir stands out as the weak link to me. Gen 3, not a legendary or starter. Does have its fans but lots of non-legendaries/non-starters in RBY do too.
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#153 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:48:32 PM | message detail
Yawn still boring. wake me up when division 6 starts
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#154 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/28/2013 11:48:50 PM | message detail
I get the feeling that that's no accident.
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#155 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 11:48:55 PM | message detail
I kinda hope Bacon institutes a special Pokemon cap if this discussion takes it's logical course.
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#156 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/28/2013 11:51:14 PM | message detail | (edited)
AxemRedRanger posted...
Looking at the remaining potential Pokemon on the list, Gardevoir stands out as the weak link to me. Gen 3, not a legendary or starter. Does have its fans but lots of non-legendaries/non-starters in RBY do too.


Hey, Gardevoir would get votes from the more... special segment of Pokemon fans.
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#157 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:51:28 PM | message detail
OK, i just lol IRL about the idea of having a Pokemon Character Battle Contest with Link winning anyway
#158 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/28/2013 11:53:55 PM | message detail
I like the idea of having a special contest where the only entrants are characters who have never been in one of these things.
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#159 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:54:24 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
I like the idea of having a special contest where the only entrants are characters who have never been in one of these things.


...Yikes, that would be a disastrous contest.
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#160 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/28/2013 11:54:39 PM | message detail
BTW assuming a constant Ramza, Squirtle is on Aeris's level while JC Denton is weaker than EVERY character from the 2010 bracket other than Sandal.

I would've thought JC to be stronger than in 2004 since his game's on Steam, but I guess not.
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#161 | Blairville | Posted 7/28/2013 11:55:14 PM | message detail
You don't need Link when you've got http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/599.shtml

I'm aware someone else made that joke already.
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#162 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 11:55:16 PM | message detail
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#163 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 11:55:16 PM | message detail
I would've said yes to that before the past couple contests, but we have seriously scraped the bottom of the barrel out entirely.
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#164 | SunSolFlare | Posted 7/28/2013 11:55:52 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
SunSolFlare posted...
I say we add Metal Sonic to the list. Sonic CD being widely released on everything (except Nintendo lol), plus his likeness to Sonic could net him a win.


Eh, I can't imagine Metal Sonic being worth anything. Do Sonic fans actually like him?


He is liked among the "classic" side of the fanbase. He definitely isn't disliked like many of the other Sonic characters .
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#165 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:57:45 PM | message detail
I'm part of the "classic" side of the fanbase and Metal Sonic is pretty whatever. He's a couple of (admittedly cool) boss fights, but that's it.
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#166 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/29/2013 12:01:38 AM | message detail
However, if you plug JC's 2004 value into the 2010 x-stats, Squirtle is projected to be the strongest Pokemon ever seen in a contest. Meanwhile, Ramza is overperforming by about 2.5% on JC going off of their last known x-stat values, putting 2013 Ramza on the same level as 2010 HK-47 (speaking of which, how did no one from KOTOR get into this contest?) assuming a constant JC.

JC is definitely weaker. Makes sense too, since in spite of his game being more easily accessible now due to Steam, it's definitely not as big.
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#167 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:03:33 AM | message detail
I never understood why people consider Gorebyss and Huntail forgotten
They are gimmick Pokemon, you don't forget gimmick Pokemon
Personally as a big Pokemon fan I don't think there is a single Pokemon I consider "forgotten" but casuals opinion on this subject is more important
#168 | Surskit | Posted 7/29/2013 12:14:53 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I never understood why people consider Gorebyss and Huntail forgotten
They are gimmick Pokemon, you don't forget gimmick Pokemon
Personally as a big Pokemon fan I don't think there is a single Pokemon I consider "forgotten" but casuals opinion on this subject is more important


...i didn't even know they had a gimmick
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#169 | pjbasis | Posted 7/29/2013 12:16:26 AM | message detail
Blastoise and Bulbasaur are all we need.

Pichu if you just want to round out the Smash Bros Melee cast along with Roy.
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#170 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:16:26 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I never understood why people consider Gorebyss and Huntail forgotten
They are gimmick Pokemon, you don't forget gimmick Pokemon
Personally as a big Pokemon fan I don't think there is a single Pokemon I consider "forgotten" but casuals opinion on this subject is more important

They are considered forgotten because people forget about them. There is no reason for a common player to give one damn about Huntail and Gorebyss once they've been added to the Pokédex, and if you're not trying to complete the Pokédex, then there's no reason whatsoever. They're just a couple generic Water-types that are hard to obtain and don't really stick out at all.

The only notable thing about them outside of competitive battling is the split evolution, and how one of them kinda sorta looks like the other one backwards. I also remember one anime episode where a boy said that Gorebyss was cool and a girl said that Huntail was cute.
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#171 | Lopen | Posted 7/29/2013 12:22:19 AM | message detail | (edited)
Honestly I feel like a good 60% of Pokemon that are post gen 1 would be virtually identical when it comes to contest strength. The ones that wouldn't be would be the ones that are really early in the game or really strong or have some sorta noted following for any other reason. Most Pokemon past the beginning of the game are just catch and go at best for casual Pokemon fans.
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#172 | backinblack167 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:30:42 AM | message detail
How would a Team Rocket Grunt do? I'd take it over Ethan/Gold IMO
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#173 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:33:13 AM | message detail
How much ˘ would the weakest Pokémon be worth?
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#174 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:42:15 AM | message detail
Split evolution depending on item in trade is a gimmick unique to them
This is like saying Karrablast and Shelmet are forgettable
#175 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:46:07 AM | message detail
All this talk about "we shouldve nominated this we shouldve nominated that" reminds me that the best character on the DS is not in the contest
Dahlia Hawthorne would be weaker than Miles but at least she would go head to head with 47!
#176 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/29/2013 12:50:16 AM | message detail
How about this: if Bayonetta 2 is extremely well received and (by the grace of God) Bayonetta is actually given a guest spot in Smash, do you take her to beat Dante?
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#177 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/29/2013 12:53:51 AM | message detail
More like Pokemon Stats and Discussion m i rite
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#178 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/29/2013 1:01:53 AM | message detail | (edited)
ChenKenichiFan posted...
How about this: if Bayonetta 2 is extremely well received and (by the grace of God) Bayonetta is actually given a guest spot in Smash, do you take her to beat Dante?


Yes.

Devil May Cry has basically been killed by DmC's fan-reception.
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#179 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/29/2013 1:01:08 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Split evolution depending on item in trade is a gimmick unique to them
This is like saying Karrablast and Shelmet are forgettable

Karrablast/Shelmet at least have a 100% unique method of evolution. Huntail and Gorebyss… That's way too boring to be a gimmick! There are plenty of split evolutions, that's not even notably different.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_branched_evolutions
Do they really stand out among that crowd?

How about this, Poochyena is a gimmick Pokémon because it's the only Dark-type to evolve by reaching Lv. 18.
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#180 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/29/2013 1:21:24 AM | message detail
And going just by gut feeling and relative familiarity with Pokemans, Gardevoir would most likely be just as terrible as Lucario, but probably weaker. I never understood why people were into it. Poor man's Alakazam imo
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#181 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 7/29/2013 1:44:16 AM | message detail
Reading this topic makes me sick. I can't be the only one who's really tired of all these Pokemon. I realize some of them could have strength, but I'd rather see new fodder characters than more Pokemon. I guess I'd be fine with 1 or 2 Pokemon newcomers per contest, assuming we lose a few of the ones in this contest. Replace N and Jiggly with Blastoise and Ivysaur if the next contest follows the same format. I don't want to see 5 new entrants from Pokemon each contest.

I realize this may be hypocritical, since I have no qualms with our current number of FF characters, but the idea of turning these contests into a Pokemon battle just doesn't appeal to me at all, even if they would be our strongest newcomers.
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#182 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/29/2013 1:46:37 AM | message detail
Oh, trust me. I'm with you. Like I said before, if our best solution is to oversaturate the bracket with Pokemon, I'm going to lose interest very quickly.
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#183 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/29/2013 2:43:09 AM | message detail
Yeah, let's focus on getting more joke characters in instead.
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#184 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/29/2013 3:08:33 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Oh, trust me. I'm with you. Like I said before, if our best solution is to oversaturate the bracket with Pokemon, I'm going to lose interest very quickly.


I would at least assume these entrants come at the expense of the less popular entries we've seen, such as N and Jigglypuff.
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#185 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/29/2013 3:18:58 AM | message detail
I think I'm gonna bank on the Shadow match, after taking Shadow for first. I have no idea who might suck less between his 2 opponents
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#186 | Lopen | Posted 7/29/2013 3:25:04 AM | message detail
Yu beating Shadow is more likely than Yu losing to the third character there
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#187 | vcharon | Posted 7/29/2013 3:28:07 AM | message detail
Yeah, don't do that. If you're positive Shadow will win (and he should, by all means) then take Yu in second place. Persona isn't THAT bad; no chance Kat can do anything but third.
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#188 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/29/2013 3:39:27 AM | message detail
Hasn't Persona bombed so far though....?

man, I need to play more modern video games :(
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#189 | vcharon | Posted 7/29/2013 3:40:46 AM | message detail
Chie put up nice numbers. Granted she still lost to Jak, but I don't think Jak is particularly weak. Chie would have beaten Draven without his rally also, and there's pretty much no way Kat is even that strong.
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#190 | Lopen | Posted 7/29/2013 3:43:40 AM | message detail | (edited)
Chie was beating Draven pretty easily until he got rallied. Persona 4 didn't do terrible in the games contest either.

I mean it wasn't a strong showing for her but Kat probably wouldn't have been able to do that.

Maybe I should've refreshed before posting whatever
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#191 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/29/2013 3:49:30 AM | message detail
Even if P4 had bombed, Kat is from a Vita exclusive. She's one of those characters people speculate can pull Tanner numbers.
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#192 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 7/29/2013 3:58:35 AM | message detail
so much pokemon in here all of a sudden

I blame...KP
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#193 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/29/2013 3:59:37 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
How about this: if Bayonetta 2 is extremely well received and (by the grace of God) Bayonetta is actually given a guest spot in Smash, do you take her to beat Dante?


No. Ninty support is not enough to go from where Bayonetta is to Dante's 2010 level, unless Bayonetta 2 turns out to be the second Ocarina of Time. Dante is all character design, and there ain't no Smash that can buy the popularity that brings.
#194 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/29/2013 4:13:16 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Even if P4 had bombed, Kat is from a Vita exclusive. She's one of those characters people speculate can pull Tanner numbers.


0_0

*puts Kat in 3rd*
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#195 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/29/2013 4:53:25 AM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Even if P4 had bombed, Kat is from a Vita exclusive. She's one of those characters people speculate can pull Tanner numbers.


0_0

*puts Kat in 3rd*


Well, she's also DLC in PS Battle Royale, but really, who cares about that?
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#196 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/29/2013 4:57:14 AM | message detail
Hmm...

Do you think there's a chance Hades could benefit from Dracula effect(people voting for the general Hades instead of just the specific character) and threaten Simon Belmont?
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#197 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/29/2013 4:58:15 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
Hmm...

Do you think there's a chance Hades could benefit from Dracula effect(people voting for the general Hades instead of just the specific character) and threaten Simon Belmont?


Unlike Dracula, nobody thinks vanilla Hades is cool. It's all about James Woods Hades, so no.
#198 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/29/2013 6:50:57 AM | message detail
Squirtle make this one a wash, onto the next battle.
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#199 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/29/2013 7:07:51 AM | message detail
Match XLII: (8) Spring Breeze Dancin’ vs. (11) Zidane Tribal vs. (20) Ridley

Previous Contest

Spring Breeze Dancin’ – N/A
N/A

Zidane Tribal – 2010
64.36% against Claptrap
48.45% against Ike

Ridley – 2010
28.28% against Cloud Strife

Analysis

I originally took Zidane in this match without too much thought, but now I am quite worried that Ridley can pull off the upset. Even taking into account that Cloud is weaker and Ridley may have gotten some anti-vote support his performance was good. I feel the board was a bit harsh on Ridley due to him losing in the first round in the villain’s contest, but considering where Diablo finished he did end up having some strength.

After watching Ike go even with Proto Man things do not look so great for Zidane as that technically places him below Ridley in the 2010 x-stats. Of course everyone could have different strengths 3 years later, but being place in the same neighbourhood almost begs for the upset. I always thought Dissidia would have helped Zidane more like it did to Cecil, Terra and Kefka, but I guess not.

Spring was a board rally which is why he was given one of the “board” 8 seeds. He could be one of the weakest characters in the entire bracket. Just to put it in perspective Goemon, the main character of Mystic Ninja got 27.79% against Pac-Man in 2002, today he would likely get beaten even worse. What will stop him from being a Chester are his funny name and flashy picture.

I am going to stick with Zidane, but I would not be surprised if Ridley pulls the upset. It would be nice to see Ridley finally win a match, though it will be 8 years too late for my contest bracket.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Zidane Tribal > Ridley and Spring Breeze Dancin’

charmander6000’s Prediction: Zidane Tribal – 47.58%, Ridley – 45.87%, Spring Breeze Dancin’ – 6.55%
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#200 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/29/2013 7:14:17 AM | message detail
Dancin' might also get bracket votes. I have a feeling casuals will vote for him as they may have taken the highest seed in their brackets. Between Ridley (Nintendo/Smash) and seed bracketing, I feel like the casuals might get destroyed if Zidane holds on here.