Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1082

#101 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/28/2013 10:32:39 PM | message detail
Got it! Toy Story 3! Lotso-Huggin' Bear.
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#102 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:33:13 PM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Hah, the game has to have been made concurrently with the movie? So... who wants to be the guy who compiles a list of recent shovelware titles released as tie-ins to movies? >.>


I think we've over-exaggerating a tiiiiny bit for fun. We could PROBABLY push Ralph because the game was a big deal in the movie, but I think the games would have to be one of the primary focuses.

Like, for Digimon, the entire thing was planned to be a multi-media juggernaut specifically about digital pets and games, so the anime/games were developed with each other in mind, which is an argument we can present to Bacon.

There are probably others that fall in this category (like Todd Snap from Pokemon Snap), but not many more
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#103 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/28/2013 10:34:49 PM | message detail | (edited)
The sad thing is those shovelware titles have probably sold more than those much of the fodder in this contest come from.
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#104 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/28/2013 10:35:42 PM | message detail
WTF is a Todd Snap?
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#105 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 10:35:46 PM | message detail
Squirtle is finally stemming the bleeding.
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#106 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:36:23 PM | message detail
#107 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/28/2013 10:36:51 PM | message detail
We should all nominate James.

And give him crossdressing pics.
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#108 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:39:50 PM | message detail
I think James WOULDN'T count because he was developed after the anime. Like, they made him in the anime without a game in mind.

Or

something

goddamit I wish Bacon didn't mess up with Lucario now the floodgates of confusing exceptions have opened
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#109 | pjbasis | Posted 7/28/2013 10:42:06 PM | message detail
Lucario was definitely a Pokemon intended for a game that was chosen to be a mascot before the game came out.

Not that much confusion here
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#110 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/28/2013 10:43:59 PM | message detail
Pokemon that need to be removed from Zen's list:
-Eevee. People like the Eeveelutions, yeah. I'd guess Jolteon for our strongest if I had to pick one. Do they like Eevee? I really don't think so. You get Eevee and then evolve it ASAP unless you don't know what you're doing.
-Garchomp. It'd probably be good for a Gen 4 pokemon, but that's a pretty low bar, and the Dragonite of Gen 4 is not even worth considering when Dragonite itself probably shouldn't even be a high priority.
-Poliwhirl. Random RBY pokemon nobody cares about. Probably not even in the top 50% of RBY pokemon.
-Psyduck. Is RBYing and was amusing in the anime when he showed up but not a main character or anything. Not enough.
-Salamence. It might be good for a Gen 3 pokemon, but that's a fairly low bar, and the Dragonite of Gen 3 is not even worth considering when Dragonite itself probably shouldn't even be a high priority.
-Scyther. Gen 1 and looks cool is all it has.
-Umbreon. If we go for the Eeveelutions (And I don't think we should), we go for the RBY ones. This is obvious.

I think it's pretty generous only knocking those ones off too.
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#111 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:45:04 PM | message detail
Strider was definitely a character intended for a game that was chosen to be a Capcom sub-mascot before the game came out!

And then he got banned! For being in a promo manga!
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#112 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/28/2013 10:48:09 PM | message detail
Agree with knocking off everything save for Eevee. Eevee stands out amongst its evolutions.
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#113 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:48:18 PM | message detail
You can remove more Pokemon if you want

I didn't choose who was on the list, and I really don't care! I hate how big and chunky that section looks compared to the rest anyway! We should be focusing our efforts on a few Pokemon

and we should take a poll to see which eeveelution would do best before committing to one
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#114 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:49:56 PM | message detail
OK I put Eevee back on there but knocked it down a level of strength

I don't think it could beat the Boss
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#115 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 10:50:02 PM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
We should be focusing our efforts on Blastoise


Fixed.
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#116 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 10:50:36 PM | message detail
why you guys keep talking about eeveelutions and greymons or whatever instead of making sure f***in strider gets back in I just don't understand
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#117 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:53:09 PM | message detail
So I assume Blastoise is the strongest Pokemon to not get in yet. Who is next-strongest?

We should get two into the next contest. Get that Jiggly s*** out of here.
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#118 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 10:54:12 PM | message detail
#119 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:56:04 PM | message detail
Ok ok! We'll just get Blastoise a hella high seed next year and worry about the rest of the Pokemon later

I still can't believe Lugia got in though

Lugia of all things

because someone said something on an internet podcast like three years ago
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#120 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/28/2013 10:59:27 PM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
So I assume Blastoise is the strongest Pokemon to not get in yet. Who is next-strongest?

We should get two into the next contest. Get that Jiggly s*** out of here.


Charmander might be stronger than Squirtle and Charmeleon may have strength as well.
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#121 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 11:00:45 PM | message detail
I think Snorlax is a fine candidate after Blastoise.
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#122 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:02:10 PM | message detail
All right, all right, if we absolutely MUST pick a second Pokemon...

Articuno is cool, too.
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#123 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:03:13 PM | message detail
As long as you ignore the gen 2 and onward Pokemon, there's also this to look at:
http://ca.ign.com/top/pokemon/1
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#124 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:03:26 PM | message detail
oooo I like Articuno

Articuno > Lugia, right?
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#125 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/28/2013 11:08:16 PM | message detail
If it's about those birds, then Zapdos probably ranks at the top amongst them. He's the most popular amongst the game players going by tier usage. And although he took a while to appear in the anime, he still had a good showing in Pokemon 2000.

What about Entei?
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#126 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 11:09:38 PM | message detail
tbqh, the Pokemon are possibly unique in that any number of the most nostalgic ones can probably harness the collective strength of the fanbase and display significant variance between rounds. I kind of doubt we'd see anything resembling stable and consistent strength rankings among, say... Squirtle, Mewtwo, Snorlax, Gyarados, Pikachu, and Articuno. They can probably all do around the same stuff.
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#127 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:10:16 PM | message detail
god dammit what are we doing

we might as well just have a "best pokemon ever" contest at this point

(link would still win)
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#128 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/28/2013 11:12:09 PM | message detail
Come to think of it, remove Togepi too. It's not RBY, and while it was in the anime all the time, the thing was a baby and it acted like it. Jigglypuff probably destroys it easily. And even if you were extremely optimistic about its strength, there would still be no reason to even consider the thing before seeing Misty.

Suicune > Entei. Cover of Crystal > Being in a movie, even if Entei was voiced by DAN GREEN. Don't really think we should add Suicune either but at least it has something important.
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#129 | jacko_vdz | Posted 7/28/2013 11:15:00 PM | message detail
Wait and see how Blue/Red do, because I think Oak could be a very legit entrant.

In terms of random Pokemon, I think Gyarados/Gengar/Arcanine/Snorlax/Jolteon/Alakazam/Nidoking would probably be the strongest new Gen 1s other than Blastoise. Generally I think Pokemon that were perceived as strong/cool party members from RBY have the most potential. I'd put money on Gyarados personally.

They'd all at least be stronger than Jiggs and around Lugia level I think.
#130 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:15:01 PM | message detail
Took Togepi out, and removed Zubat too. for all that "lol zubat" votes it'd get, it'd also get a thousand anti-votes
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#131 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 11:15:57 PM | message detail
Was FFT not released in Europe or something? Ramza's been freefalling.
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#132 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:16:58 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Was FFT not released in Europe or something? Ramza's been freefalling.


Release date(s) PlayStation
JP June 20, 1997
NA January 28, 1998
PlayStation Network
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NA September 17, 2009[3]


whoa, it wasn't

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#133 | xp1337 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:17:59 PM | message detail
well...

the psp port was. >_>
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#134 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 11:20:12 PM | message detail
Well, then we might see our first occurrence of a Pokemon character beating a Final Fantasy character at the night vote.
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#135 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/28/2013 11:21:53 PM | message detail
Gengar. Seriously badass ghost pokemon.

But like others have said you could pick 50 RBY pokemon that would be stronger than the most of the obscure RPG characters that get in every year.

I think the weakest gen 1 pokemon would be Tentacool. I think everyone hates Tentacool. The Zubat of the ocean without the humor. Seeing that in a contest would be interesting just to see how bad a gen 1 pokemon can be.
#136 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:22:59 PM | message detail
Oh, I think Jynx could give him a run.
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#137 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/28/2013 11:25:43 PM | message detail
Farfetch'd or Tangela or one of those in game trade Pokemon would be the weakest entry.
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#138 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:28:27 PM | message detail
Stantler was entered into the UCB as the "Pokemon nobody cares about"

and I think Manny Calavera barely beat it
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#139 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/28/2013 11:30:29 PM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Was FFT not released in Europe or something? Ramza's been freefalling.


Release date(s) PlayStation
JP June 20, 1997
NA January 28, 1998
PlayStation Network
JP May 13, 2009[2]
NA September 17, 2009[3]


whoa, it wasn't

wtf


Yeah, I could have told you that. I had to import my copy. The PSP version was the first time Europe saw it without importing.
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#140 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/28/2013 11:32:25 PM | message detail
Eh there's a few contenders for weakest pokemon then I guess. Tentacool, Paras, Goldeen, Seel, Venonat

Omanyte.... Wait Omanyte surely has to be the weakest. Did anyone even get him? Why on earth would you get Omanyte when you could have Kabuto or Aerodactyl

Damn I want to see a pokemon contest now.
#141 | Surskit | Posted 7/28/2013 11:32:56 PM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
Farfetch'd or Tangela or one of those in game trade Pokemon would be the weakest entry.


But... but these two are just such lovable scrubs. Farfetch'd is so bad, how can you not love him? And Tangela is like... a black ball covered in purple spaghetti. So. RAD.

I'd think the worst 1st Gen Pokémon would actually have to be actively anti-voted by the fanbase. Something like Zubat might be your best choice.

but of course if we're looking for the weakest pokémon overall look no further than luvdisc.
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#142 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/28/2013 11:33:50 PM | message detail | (edited)
Also, Chrono Trigger was never released in Europe either until remakes.

Europe seriously got the shaft release wise in the 90's. It wasn't really until the mid 00's that they started getting the majority of the NA releases and even then they were generally released a lot later than the NA version.
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#143 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/28/2013 11:33:37 PM | message detail
Weakest Pokemon? Easy.

Finneon. Gen 4 water type that doesn't even stand out as a cute or hated Pokemon. It just exists and that's all there is to it.
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#144 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/28/2013 11:36:18 PM | message detail
Farfetch'd has a cool design with the leek sword so it isn't going to be last even if it sucks statwise. It's one of the Pokemon you see people call for an evolution of to fix its stats.
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#145 | Lopen | Posted 7/28/2013 11:37:31 PM | message detail
Looks like JC Denton will be getting the majority of the late night vote shift here. Maybe he will only look like super fodder instead of super turbo fodder when this match finishes.
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#146 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:41:05 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
Weakest Pokemon? Easy.

Finneon. Gen 4 water type that doesn't even stand out as a cute or hated Pokemon. It just exists and that's all there is to it.

Cherubi is like Finneon but even more so. Cherubi doesn't even stand out as forgettable.
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#147 | SunSolFlare | Posted 7/28/2013 11:43:37 PM | message detail
I say we add Metal Sonic to the list. Sonic CD being widely released on everything (except Nintendo lol), plus his likeness to Sonic could net him a win.
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#148 | Surskit | Posted 7/28/2013 11:44:30 PM | message detail
GloryChaos posted...
Weakest Pokemon? Easy.

Finneon. Gen 4 water type that doesn't even stand out as a cute or hated Pokemon. It just exists and that's all there is to it.


Finneon isn't even a high-tier on the "forgettable water-types" list! I mean, remember Gorebyss? (No, of course you didn't).
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#149 | Lopen | Posted 7/28/2013 11:45:15 PM | message detail
Eh I think Finneon wins that because I don't know what it is

Cherubi I immediately remember what it is

Honestly feel the winner is the metapod/kakuna ripoff that wurmple evolves into though
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#150 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:45:31 PM | message detail
SunSolFlare posted...
I say we add Metal Sonic to the list. Sonic CD being widely released on everything (except Nintendo lol), plus his likeness to Sonic could net him a win.


Eh, I can't imagine Metal Sonic being worth anything. Do Sonic fans actually like him?
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