Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1082

#451 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/29/2013 11:40:52 AM | message detail
SINGLE-DIGIT UPDATE ALERT! Latest--no, wait, it's not the latest any more; just had another update--the 2:34 update had just 7 votes for Spring Breeze Dancin', 2.82% of the update.

That's actually his first update all match where he was worse than Chester's final total...
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#452 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/29/2013 11:41:00 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Nanis23 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Unless something very stupid goes on in those matches, all those have a clear not-first. Meat Boy, Steve and Celes are not winning their matches. I'd honestly feel less comfortable with Groose/Lu Bu/Yoshimitsu, because I'm not sure if the zero bracketmaker did his homework for how assy Yoshimitsu was.


So when people talk about Game & Watch match being debateable,they talk about him vs Lee?
I dunno,Meat Boy performance in the rivalry contest was fine (yeah I know this contest doesn't know,but this is the only data we got on...any of them)
As for Steve...I really don't know anything about Minecraft or it's popularity
Celes..yeah,but this is more like me talking out of fear because of the Kefka/Zack/Ryu match


Yes, it was supposed to be Lee vs G&W. Meat Boy was never in the match.


I agree that Meat Boy's RR performance was cause for concern, but yeah, the original question was Lee/G&W. Now that it looks fairly safe to call it a G&W win...what does that do to Round 2? Remember, the final match of that division has nothing but Nintendo characters, so a Game & Watch win sets up another "two Nintendo, one non-Nintendo" match no matter what.


Fox wins. Drake is piss-weak.
#453 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/29/2013 11:42:49 AM | message detail
Actually let me amend that

Fox wins. Pac-Man folds in the face of someone with a fanbase.
#454 | Lopen | Posted 7/29/2013 11:43:32 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
If we can see the % each place has,why can't we see the amount of votes...? why hide it?


Probably because if we had numbers it'd make it obvious that Draven was stuffing and the powers that be don't want to be called on it.

Just my theory! Oh god, the men in suits... spread the truth!
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#455 | The Mana Sword | Posted 7/29/2013 11:44:31 AM | message detail
lopen still mad he got caught for cheating in 2007
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#456 | paulg235 | Posted 7/29/2013 11:45:29 AM | message detail | (edited)
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Actually let me amend that

Fox wins. Pac-Man folds in the face of someone with a fanbase.

Actually let me amend that for you.

Blue wins. Pac-Man is a loser.
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#457 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/29/2013 11:45:06 AM | message detail
Warcraft/GTA good times
#458 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/29/2013 11:48:06 AM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Actually let me amend that

Fox wins. Pac-Man folds in the face of someone with a fanbase.


Wait, I thought we were back to pretending that Wolf was going to LFF Fox enough to allow Blue into the second round! I'm always so far behind the trends...

Also, lost in all of this "how awful can Spring Breeze Dancin' do?" is that Zidane's lead over Ridley only went up by 1 at the 2:39 update. The most recent one added another 20, though, so it looks like it was just a small hiccup. It happens; he only added 4 with the 2:04 update, 5 with the 1:49 and 3 with the 1:19, but he's still won every update outright.
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#459 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/29/2013 11:50:05 AM | message detail | (edited)
paulg235 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Actually let me amend that

Fox wins. Pac-Man folds in the face of someone with a fanbase.

Actually let me amend that for you.

Blue wins. Pac-Man is a loser.


I honestly don't want to get into this debate again so I'm just gonna leave it at this: 10%. That's all Blue needs to lose from his full 1v1 pre-SFF strength (assuming he is dead even with Red and not, y'know, like 30% worse like every 'second fiddle') to lose to a Fox suffering from the worst leech we've ever seen since Mega Man/Zero. 10%. And we're gonna see that 10% matter come game time.
#460 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/29/2013 11:52:17 AM | message detail | (edited)
What about 'People will see Pokemon Trainer Blue and forget which color was the rival and which one was the main character' factor
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#461 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/29/2013 11:53:27 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
What about 'People will see Pokemon Trainer Blue and forget which color was the rival and which one was the main character' factor


Easy: Picsmiths submit Fox in his red Brawl color. Should make it all clear.
#462 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/29/2013 11:55:17 AM | message detail
Ha, Zidane is only beating Ridley by like 1% in America.
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#463 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:03:51 PM | message detail
Can someone please contact creativename to tell him gamefaqscontest.com graphs don't work?
Though it's pretty late in the contest so I believe he already knows but doesn't care enough to fix them..but whtaver
#464 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/29/2013 12:08:01 PM | message detail
Pac-Man folds in the face of someone with a fanbase.

Tell that to Ocelot
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#465 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/29/2013 12:09:24 PM | message detail
Submit Gary Oak pics for Blue please.
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#466 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:10:07 PM | message detail
Gary Oak isn't Blue so that would be misleading.
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#467 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/29/2013 12:10:38 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Gary Oak isn't Blue so that would be misleading.


exactly
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#468 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:17:22 PM | message detail
Ridley had his first cut a few minutes ago
Zidane increased the lead by alot after that,but still
#469 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/29/2013 12:18:37 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Can someone please contact creativename to tell him gamefaqscontest.com graphs don't work?
Though it's pretty late in the contest so I believe he already knows but doesn't care enough to fix them..but whtaver


He knows. There's nothing he can do about it. Apparently some sort of upgrade made them no longer compatible.
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#470 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:24:33 PM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Can someone please contact creativename to tell him gamefaqscontest.com graphs don't work?
Though it's pretty late in the contest so I believe he already knows but doesn't care enough to fix them..but whtaver


He knows. There's nothing he can do about it. Apparently some sort of upgrade made them no longer compatible.


I can understand having problems if he gets the info directly from the poll results
But since the match updates page works fine,can't he use that data instead for the graphs?
I can do that in Excel or something so it doesn't sound too hard (no idea how to do it in a website or something though!)
#471 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/29/2013 12:29:08 PM | message detail
Oooh, soft
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#472 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/29/2013 12:31:57 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
ShatteredElysium posted...
Nanis23 posted...
Can someone please contact creativename to tell him gamefaqscontest.com graphs don't work?
Though it's pretty late in the contest so I believe he already knows but doesn't care enough to fix them..but whtaver


He knows. There's nothing he can do about it. Apparently some sort of upgrade made them no longer compatible.


I can understand having problems if he gets the info directly from the poll results
But since the match updates page works fine,can't he use that data instead for the graphs?
I can do that in Excel or something so it doesn't sound too hard (no idea how to do it in a website or something though!)


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66716955/751216181

That was where he addressed it.
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#473 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:36:56 PM | message detail
This may sound crazy, but I only just realized Ridley is losing.

I mean I've looked at the match maybe three times so far because I've been elsewhere, but the only thing I was really taking note of was how horrible Spring Breeze Dancin' was doing.

Welp, that's gonna hurt my expert pick and bracket.
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#474 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/29/2013 12:41:24 PM | message detail
SBD Update: Zidane's around 90.5%, and Ridley's around 88.9%.
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#475 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/29/2013 12:46:46 PM | message detail
So what are the odds that SBD can manage a 0-vote update in a day match?
#476 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:51:55 PM | message detail
Chester's latest zero vote update was at 11:52 AM EST. So it can be done when the sun's up.

I kind of find it hard to believe Spring Breeze Dancin' is really that much more popular than Chester. I mean just how much of this site can really have played any Goemon game, let alone the N64 one? And how many of them even remember Spring Breeze Dancin'?

Maybe when it gets late SPD can pull out a zero vote update.
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#477 | Lopen | Posted 7/29/2013 12:53:00 PM | message detail
If SBD was named Chester he'd be doing just as badly, maybe even worse. I'm sure of it!
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#478 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/29/2013 12:54:42 PM | message detail
184 votes to Chester, haha
then again, day match=more votes
#479 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 7/29/2013 1:03:17 PM | message detail
SBD is certainly getting some votes because of his ridiculous name. Would he lose to Tanner?
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#480 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/29/2013 1:04:31 PM | message detail
The slowest Time To Chester in a day match was Commander Keen's ~03:03 TTC. So Spring Breeze Dancin' has the day record, already. Caim has the worst TTC period at ~06:15, so I think that record is safe.
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#481 | creativename | Posted 7/29/2013 1:05:59 PM | message detail
The board consensus of Pit>Cecil never quite made sense to me. Still possible Pit actually has strength due to Uprising, but I'm glad I stuck with Cecil on that one. Have a hard time seeing Uprising making Pit that strong.

KanzarisKelshen posted...
I wouldn't call it logic, really. This isn't a diss, just noting that Ridley beating Zidane seems like a Samus>Mario thing. The stats can say one thing, but past contest outings never lie, and Ridley's never done anything to show that he hasn't remained the washed up hack he was in 2k5. Stats should always be tempered by the eyeball test.

The problem with the Mario/Samus match is that in 2K3, Mario let *Shadow* get 45% on him. And in 2K4 he got whipped bad by Crono. Everyone who picked Samus to win was expecting that same Mario, and that's not what happened.

For all the patting on the back with Mario/Samus, it is still highly questionable whether the Mario of 2K3 or 2K4 would have beaten Samus. Mario in 2K5 was a completely different beast from the start. He was on steroids that year - that year was a big shift in his favor. He shifted 7 points on Crono alone.

That was also the year Luigi showed real strength for the first time. Bowser did great that year too. It was just a turning point year for the SMB franchise.

There's things in these contests you can pat yourself on the back for predicting (e.g. Majora's Mask being an OoT proxy/Zelda Always Wins, and this site turning into PokeFAQs), and other things where it's just dumb luck. Kingdom Hearts Factor, L-Block, etc.

The logic for picking Mario was never that he'd boost 7 points and that the whole SMB franchise would go beast-mode. Even if Mario rSFF'd Samus in 2K4, he would have needed almost all that SFF power just to barely beat her, not laid a 60/40 smackdown.

So while Mario/Samus is held as the gold standard for eyeball test type logic, it doesn't really hold under scrutiny.

Kotetsu534 posted...
I laughed when I saw that too - there is only one (or two, if you count Chie) character in the bracket who could SFF her and she drew him.

There are worse fates. She wasn't going to do anything anyway.

But alas, poor Mega Man...stuck with Zero, of all people.

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen more whining about Mega Man's path. Guess people are just resigned to LFF polluting results at this point.
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#482 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/29/2013 1:10:35 PM | message detail
I'm not seeing it. SBD's actually been having better updates recently, at least from a percentage standpoint. He had his first update over 7% (not counting start-freeze) half an hour ago and an even better one five minutes ago.
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#483 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/29/2013 1:10:40 PM | message detail
I'd be more upset with Mega Man's path if it didn't mean Charizard (and if not him, likely someone else I like as much as/more than Mega Man) advancing out of the division.
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#484 | ZenOfThunder (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/29/2013 1:10:56 PM | message detail
Kat is going to look hella weak. I love her game but I love Persona 4 so much more. I think a lot of people will feel the same way
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#485 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/29/2013 1:12:20 PM | message detail
Oh, I didn't mean it was a safe bet that SPD was going to break Caim's TTC. I meant that record was safe from being broken.

Now put SPD in a night match, and he probably shatters it, but alas.
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#486 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/29/2013 1:17:51 PM | message detail | (edited)
Actually, for all of the talk about SBD nearing Chester's level of awfulness, he's still only had one update under Chester's overall percentage. Granted, even Chester managed a couple of updates above 6%, but your end percent is kind of an average update so you'd expect some equal variance on both sides and Chester's varied all the way down to 0.
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#487 | creativename | Posted 7/29/2013 1:24:46 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
What I do know is that not having Magus in the next round won't matter
If Magus can't beat Otacon,Crono is not going anywhere near Pikachu even without Magus in the picture

I don't see Magus and Crono's strength as being tied at the hip. Magus stinking up the joint doesn't necessarily mean Crono will.

Karma Hunter posted...
Although as a very slight topic shift I'm absolutely floored even after all this time that the Dissidia games could do so much for these characters. Makes you wonder what Square could do if they ever got their act together.

Yeah, I was surprised at Dissidia's impact as well, just being a portable game for a portable device that wasn't close to being Gameboy popular. If Square had made a console Dissidia, the impact would likely have been very large.

Nanis23 posted...
I can understand having problems if he gets the info directly from the poll results
But since the match updates page works fine,can't he use that data instead for the graphs?
I can do that in Excel or something so it doesn't sound too hard (no idea how to do it in a website or something though!)

I was using a library called Image_Graph. That library updated, and now for some reason the old code doesn't work.
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#488 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/29/2013 1:28:35 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Oh man, Zidane looks like the favorite according to the guru stats... which is quite surprising to me, considering what Ridley's projected to be at. We all just think that Cloud performance was fraudulent or no one wants to trust Ridley?


Nah, I just figured Ike would beat Ridley every single time, so why pick Ridley > Zidane?

Plus, it's Ridley. Who cares about Ridley?
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#489 | ZFS | Posted 7/29/2013 1:40:25 PM | message detail
I had a hard time seeing people actually go Ride,y over Zidane. Just didn't make much sense to me that people would prefer a boss fight to a PS FF character.
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#490 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/29/2013 1:41:58 PM | message detail
Trend chart for the night match:

Time | Squirtle | Ramza | Denton | Votes
0:05 | 65.82% | 25.03% | 9.15% | 787
1:00 | 61.04% | 28.73% | 10.23% | 5141
2:00 | 59.80% | 28.37% | 11.83% | 3169
3:00 | 58.96% | 28.84% | 12.20% | 2271
4:00 | 58.13% | 27.22% | 14.64% | 1844
5:00 | 57.38% | 27.34% | 15.28% | 1518
6:00 | 60.44% | 26.13% | 13.43% | 1370
7:00 | 58.55% | 27.74% | 13.71% | 1561
8:00 | 58.44% | 28.11% | 13.45% | 1754
9:00 | 57.91% | 28.33% | 13.76% | 1984
10:00 | 59.99% | 28.29% | 11.72% | 2057
11:00 | 60.33% | 27.44% | 12.24% | 2125
12:00 | 59.42% | 28.25% | 12.34% | 2124

Squirtle peaks early, Ramza stays steady, Denton gets the night vote. Nothin' to see here, folks.

X-Stats:

Squirtle – 50.00%
Ramza Beoulve – 32.07%
JC Denton – 17.30%

Squirtle's prediction percentage was 76.51%
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#491 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 7/29/2013 1:42:43 PM | message detail
lol at that youtube video
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#492 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/29/2013 1:43:21 PM | message detail
Breeze got a 4 votes update
Chester got a few 0 and Caim got a few 2...but this is new low for Breeze I think
#493 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/29/2013 1:45:37 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Tharja is by far the weakest in round 2 with only unrallied Draven possibly being weaker.


Yeah, probably. Lopen's gonna sue!

LinkMarioSamus posted...
We should treat the rallies as a part of Draven's strength.

Also dear god no, Bayonetta would shoot Ridley out of the sky, though I'd guess he'd have as hard a time as Samus does fighting Ridley in her games.

Imagine if Ridley and Wander switched spots. We'd see Ridley gulp down N and Wander slay Spring Breeze.


Agreed on the first and third points but not the second. Ridley would easily win that match; that was an all-fodder match where it was essentially a battle of who was the least foddery. A recognizable character dating back to the earliest generations of gaming, with a Smash appearance? Easy win. Sorry, I have a hard time imagining a faceless rival beating someone with the SNAG factor and an amazing character design. Then again, I also have a hard time imagining Ridley doing anything worthy in these contests....

As for treating the rallies as part of Draven's strength, I definitely agree. I also want to posit something else, and there's really no way to prove it but it's definitely a theory to consider. Could Draven also have been getting anti-voted? Remember, saying that Draven was losing to Chie before the rally started is greatly understating it. Chie was far closer to Jak than she was to Draven before Draven's rally started--it took almost twice as long for Jak to build up a 1000-vote lead over her as it took for her to build up a 1000-vote lead over Draven.

Listed are some raw vote totals from various matches. Note that only two of these did not advance to the second round.

Dracula 13906
Sub-Zero 13612
Lugia 13362
Jak 13191
Altair 13157 (in a day match!)
Epona 12989
Ness 12979 (also a day match)
Phoenix Wright 11914
Kefka 11443 (this was a day match, too! Albeit one where the third-place finisher had over 29%)
Crash Bandicoot 11242
Ike 11023 (again, third place was good for almost 29%, but this was a day match)
Tharja 11016
Chie Satonaka 10465
Alucard 10242
Elizabeth 10217

Ain't it pretty? I've noticed that enthusiasm seems to be dying off in general--a lot of these were from more recent matches. I mean Tharja/Juliet/Tina broke 30000 while that super-exciting Alucard/Falcon/Rydia match came up well short. But, yeah, two characters have already advanced to the third round while drawing fewer raw votes than the third-place finisher in that match. Either they had strength in their own right, or there was some serious anti-voting going on before the fanbase countered it with a rally. That's still the only match thus far where the third-place finisher broke 10000, by the way; the next-best total by a third-place finisher was Ryu Hayabusa's 8955, followed close behind by Eggman's 8909 and then...um...Juliet Starling's 8651, the only others to break 8000. So the basic idea is that more voters show up to simply anti-vote League of Legends?.

Okay, yeah, TJF really does bring in the votes. Juliet Starling had the fourth-best total by a third-place finisher. Guess we should focus our rallying efforts for CBX on attractive female characters.

But back to the present. Can we take anything of meaning out of that Draven > Jak > Chie result? Like, maybe something that could be relevant in less than 12 hours?

...Yeah. It was inflated by the fact that the match was rallied, but Chie actually got a damn nice total. If P4 really does have that kind of strength, could we be overlooking Yu?

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#494 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2013 1:48:44 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Oh man, Zidane looks like the favorite according to the guru stats... which is quite surprising to me, considering what Ridley's projected to be at. We all just think that Cloud performance was fraudulent or no one wants to trust Ridley?


Nah, I just figured Ike would beat Ridley every single time, so why pick Ridley > Zidane?

Plus, it's Ridley. Who cares about Ridley?


that only makes this result that much more depressing if you consider Zidane is probably losing if he doesn't have Dissidia
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#495 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/29/2013 1:48:52 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Tharja is by far the weakest in round 2 with only unrallied Draven possibly being weaker.


For now, yes. But you have to remember that Groose/Lu Bu/Yoshimitsu is still a thing. Groose might be able to combine joke character status and Legend of Zelda to come up with something vaguely resembling strength, but I doubt it, in which case we actually get a non-Street Fighter, non-Mortal Kombat fighting game character in Round 2.

(...yes, I know, we already have one of those. How many people even realize that Morrigan's original game was also a fighter? How many care? Most of them know her from MvC, and she's the queen of TJF.)
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#496 | raginbull911 | Posted 7/29/2013 1:49:42 PM | message detail
To the question about Draven getting anti-voted, there's very little doubt in my mind it happened and will happen. People who don't play LoL seem to have an unnatural amount of hate for the game (probably because of it's popularity).
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#497 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/29/2013 1:50:11 PM | message detail
Do not doubt Lu Bu!
#498 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/29/2013 1:50:49 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
that only makes this result that much more depressing if you consider Zidane is probably losing if he doesn't have Dissidia


I choose to ignore this fact.

Also Theatrhythm boost!
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#499 | ZFS | Posted 7/29/2013 1:50:56 PM | message detail
Groose got that match for sure
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#500 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/29/2013 1:51:11 PM | message detail