Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1081

#201 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:52:00 AM | message detail
Ulti likes the Brawl pics for Red as well, but that's still intentional pic sabotage as well. If I say I like the melty MGS artwork over the renders and start submitting it, does that make it okay?
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#202 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:52:12 AM | message detail
Also
Pikachu beat Dante...
#203 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/28/2013 9:52:40 AM | message detail
If I say that Solid S*** doesn't look bad to me, does that make it OK to use over his MGS1 model?
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#204 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:53:05 AM | message detail
Hey guys, I legitimately, honestly think that Toon Link is by far Links best design. We should give it to him in every debated match.
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#205 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 9:53:26 AM | message detail
And man, I really really hope Ridley doesn't f*** everything up and win. Dante/Squirtle needs to be fair, and I will be submitting multiple versions of this:

http://amumag.com/images/2013/02/devil-may-cry-3-dantes-awakening-wallpaper.jpg

for it.
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#206 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:53:38 AM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
Just looking ahead, the last half of Round 1 Division 6 is either going to kick my ass or put me close to the leaderboard. Yay >____>


Yeah, 5 debatable matches in a row...there's gonna be some movement.
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#207 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 9:54:29 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Also
Pikachu beat Dante...


Anyone who thinks Dante doesn't beat the stuffing out of Pikachu that year in a 1v1 is out of their minds. Leon beat up on Pikachu something fierce and Dante walloped him multiple times right after that (A DEBATED MATCH THAT DANTE WON, BY THE WAY). Pikachu took advantage in that particular fourway in the same way that Kirby did Sonic, he's not stronger.
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#208 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:55:23 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Hey guys, I legitimately, honestly think that Toon Link is by far Links best design. We should give it to him in every debated match.


So no matches then?
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#209 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/28/2013 9:56:08 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
ffmasterjose posted...
Just looking ahead, the last half of Round 1 Division 6 is either going to kick my ass or put me close to the leaderboard. Yay >____>


Yeah, 5 debatable matches in a row...there's gonna be some movement.


Definitely. And I took the upset pick in ALL of them. The only one I'm shaky about is Yoshimitsu winning, I didn't realize Groose was from a Zelda game. But I anticipate Tingle-like strength >_>

C'mon Gilgamesh, Game and Watch and Pac-Man!

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#210 | spooky96 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:56:08 AM | message detail
I HOPE Ridley f**** up everything and screws. Because I have him winning its match. What the hell did I do? Even though I don't drink I am sure I've got to be drunk when I did that.
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#211 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/28/2013 9:56:33 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Also
Pikachu beat Dante...


Next you gonna tell me that Master Chief absolutely murdered Yuna.
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#212 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 9:56:56 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Hey guys, I legitimately, honestly think that Toon Link is by far Links best design. We should give it to him in every debated match.


This is honestly the best supporting point here. Literally zero people are confused on when they see a Toon Link picture for Link. Yet to this day, arguably a majority of this board is convinced that Link would have never lost to Cloud if it weren't for his Wind Waker design in that match.
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#213 | Xuxon | Posted 7/28/2013 9:57:31 AM | message detail
From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 7/28/2013 12:52:00 PM | #201
Ulti likes the Brawl pics for Red as well, but that's still intentional pic sabotage as well. If I say I like the melty MGS artwork over the renders and start submitting it, does that make it okay?

no it isn't, and yes it's okay. Bacon's the one who makes the decision, ultimately.
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#214 | xp1337 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:58:16 AM | message detail
Division 6 will either be the time when I get on the Expert Challenge leaderboard, or far more likely the time when my new contest goal becomes "Defeat Bacon in Expert Challenge"
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#215 | dethfdddddh | Posted 7/28/2013 10:00:11 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Hey guys, I legitimately, honestly think that Toon Link is by far Links best design. We should give it to him in every debated match.


This is honestly the best supporting point here. Literally zero people are confused on when they see a Toon Link picture for Link. Yet to this day, arguably a majority of this board is convinced that Link would have never lost to Cloud if it weren't for his Wind Waker design in that match.


This argument would hold more value if the DMC games were popular on GFAQS. They're not. This indicates that people care more about Dante than the relative quality of the DMC series entries.
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#216 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 10:00:19 AM | message detail
It's a big stretch to compare Dante to Zero Suit Samus and Solid ****. DMC2 Dante still looks exactly like Dante, and the people voting against him because they hate the game are miniscule compared to the people voting against Samus after looking at a picture that was foreign to them (remember, Samus got her ZSS picture right after the Brawl trailer. Brawl wasn't even released yet).

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/DMC1_Dante.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZTmV_soUTK4/S66X1MElZpI/AAAAAAAAABs/0Nil-0oI8XU/s1600/822604devil_may_cry_2_-_dante_-_1600x12002.jpg
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/2/29606/628756-dante_1.jpg

Look at the face. There isn't much of a difference.
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#217 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 10:02:33 AM | message detail
I agree with deth. Show Toon Link and ask GameFAQs voters which Zelda game he comes from. 100% of them will know the answer. Do the same with DMC2 Dante and good luck to you.
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#218 | superange128 | Posted 7/28/2013 10:03:56 AM | message detail
obviously the people complaining about Dante's DMC2 pic as sabotage took him to win a debatable match at least once
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#219 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 10:05:35 AM | message detail
dethfdddddh posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Hey guys, I legitimately, honestly think that Toon Link is by far Links best design. We should give it to him in every debated match.


This is honestly the best supporting point here. Literally zero people are confused on when they see a Toon Link picture for Link. Yet to this day, arguably a majority of this board is convinced that Link would have never lost to Cloud if it weren't for his Wind Waker design in that match.


This argument would hold more value if the DMC games were popular on GFAQS. They're not. This indicates that people care more about Dante than the relative quality of the DMC series entries.


But why do people care about Dante more? It's in very large part because of his design, how that cool design evokes feelings from his fans, and when you do something to detract from that, it hurts him disproportionately.

I'm not even really that concerned with a DMC2 picture anyhow, I think he can take Squirtle even if he's not at his best. If he gets the new DmC though, well, man I'd probably take everyone conceivable over Dante in that position. It's just awful.
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#220 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 10:06:13 AM | message detail
No offense, but 'what's the difference between DMC2 Dante and how he looks normally' is truly spoken by someone who has never played past DMC1. Two people like that in this topic, actually, both defending DMC2! HMMMM.

We're not talking about huge gigantic result changes, either. Dante lost those matches by like 1%.
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#221 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 10:07:24 AM | message detail
Although I'm just more worried about it being the Face Round in general. Dante is a character that needs a full body shot to get the design votes rolling in.
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#222 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 10:07:28 AM | message detail
superange128 posted...
obviously the people complaining about Dante's DMC2 pic as sabotage took him to win a debatable match at least once


This is just a silly logical fallacy. I've never called a Sprite Snake match incorrectly, but any time Snake gets saddled with it it's effectively sabotage.

"are you calling the sprite round sabotag-" yes
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#223 | dethfdddddh | Posted 7/28/2013 10:08:32 AM | message detail
viewtiful dante vs squirtle yes please
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#224 | superange128 | Posted 7/28/2013 10:09:48 AM | message detail
I have played DMC1, 3 and 4
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#225 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 10:10:16 AM | message detail
"No offense" me all you want, I'm one of the few people who's never missed one of those debated Dante matches. I know him better than his biggest supporters. He is boned if Ridley isn't in there.
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#226 | dethfdddddh | Posted 7/28/2013 10:11:29 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
"No offense" me all you want, I'm one of the few people who's never missed one of those debated Dante matches. I know him better than his biggest supporters. He is boned if Ridley isn't in there.


Pokemon is not guaranteed strength. Lugia, Red and Jigglypuff are nothing impressive.
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#227 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/28/2013 10:11:36 AM | message detail
Have some faith in Zidane, guys.
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#228 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 10:13:32 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
"No offense" me all you want, I'm one of the few people who's never missed one of those debated Dante matches. I know him better than his biggest supporters. He is boned if Ridley isn't in there.


Those matches were in too close to call territory anyway; calling something that close isn't proof of anything. If you wanna call it on gut that's fine, but the statistical basis for this call - that Dante simply cannot win if Ridley's not there - isn't supported by the available evidence.
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#229 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 10:14:06 AM | message detail
Dante could lose to Squirtle with a DMC3 full body shot. I just strongly dislike arguments about characters from people that don't know the games and don't know the fanbase. In 2010 I said that Red might lose to Ocelot if he got a Brawl pic, and that Dante would lose to Ryu if he got a DMC2 pic, and look what happened.
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#230 | Xuxon | Posted 7/28/2013 10:16:37 AM | message detail
Dante may well have lost because of his pic in 2010. i don't think that's the reason, but with that close of a margin it's impossible to deny the possibility. all i'm saying is that it wasn't intentional sabotage.
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#231 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/28/2013 10:16:56 AM | message detail
The sprite round might give Squirtle and nice big boost
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#232 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 7/28/2013 10:20:26 AM | message detail
Let me just say that I've always disagreed with KP about how terrible DMC2 Dante is. The game is f***in' horrible, but his character design might be his best one, either that or Uncle Dante from DMC4. It's a great look wasted on a mediocre game. And I know plenty of DMC fans who feel similarly.
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#233 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 10:22:02 AM | message detail
Honestly, I think Dante probably beats Ryu in 2010 if he's the board favorite, there's a million factors for that particular match anyway. Even the day was screwy as s*** and messed with the trends like crazy.
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#234 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/28/2013 10:23:44 AM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
proof that pissing off most of a series fanbase isn't a good idea. I wonder if Samus will be similar.


Argh I started replaying Metroid: Other M this morning and found it to be essentially another MGS2 or Wind Waker which doesn't deserve the hate at all, just as I suspected.

(although I have mixed feelings on Samus's character model in the cutscenes)
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#235 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/28/2013 10:25:34 AM | message detail
TheOneAboveAll posted...
By the way, was this the first match in which we had an entirely normal freeze? Hopefully that means that the freeze issues have been fixed.


There have been a few other matches with a normal freeze. But the huge majority of our matches have the freeze happen before 5 minutes have passed. 2 and 3 minute freezes are the most common, but 1 minute and 4 minute freezes have happened before.
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#236 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 10:28:40 AM | message detail
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
Let me just say that I've always disagreed with KP about how terrible DMC2 Dante is. The game is f***in' horrible, but his character design might be his best one, either that or Uncle Dante from DMC4. It's a great look wasted on a mediocre game. And I know plenty of DMC fans who feel similarly.


But do any of those DMC fans actually vote against him if he has a DMC2 picture. Dante is one of our biggest ever examples of an "appeal" character - of a character whose popularity is derived from his character design, not the strength of his games. Perhaps no other character is MORE popular than his games than Dante is. That DMC2 picture is, objectively, pretty cool looking. I think it's unfair to compare it to ZSS (especially pre-Brawl of all things), Solid ****, or even Toon Link.
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#237 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 10:35:10 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
TheKoolAidShoto posted...
Let me just say that I've always disagreed with KP about how terrible DMC2 Dante is. The game is f***in' horrible, but his character design might be his best one, either that or Uncle Dante from DMC4. It's a great look wasted on a mediocre game. And I know plenty of DMC fans who feel similarly.


But do any of those DMC fans actually vote against him if he has a DMC2 picture. Dante is one of our biggest ever examples of an "appeal" character - of a character whose popularity is derived from his character design, not the strength of his games. Perhaps no other character is MORE popular than his games than Dante is. That DMC2 picture is, objectively, pretty cool looking. I think it's unfair to compare it to ZSS (especially pre-Brawl of all things), Solid ****, or even Toon Link.


Your point is well-taken (although even post-Brawl, I am 100% certain there would be an outcry of epic proportions if Samus got a ZSS picture against any Noble Niner or near-elite). As a counterpoint to my contention that Dante > Squirtle being impossible is unsupported by the evidence (which I'm quite adamant on), I will be quite forthcoming and admit that the assertion that DMC2 pictures hurt Dante is also not supported by the available evidence. We simply do not have enough data points, nor do we have any countervailing examples (Dante getting a DMC3 picture in a hotly debated match, for instance).

What I can tell you is that personally, as someone who likes Dante, when I see his DMC2 design I have a visceral, adverse reaction. It's not because it doesn't look like Dante. It's because when I see it, I think 'Devil May Cry 2', and if there's any significant subset of the voting population that behaves similarly, it could certainly turn the tide of a dead even, 50/50 match like Dante/Ryu.

Oh, but on a more salient note it's 100% indisputable that the new DmC Dante design will severely hurt Dante. I'm only willing to make allowances up to a point.
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#238 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/28/2013 10:35:21 AM | message detail
Ryu Hayabusa is probably even more popular than his games on this site compared to Dante.

Then again, I forgot that Ryu bombed this contest when writing that.
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#239 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/28/2013 10:56:36 AM | message detail
Oh my
The times when ZSS was not mainstream and barely recognizible Samus
#240 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:07:46 AM | message detail
We'll get a pretty decent read on Dante/Squirtle tonight anyway because Squirtle's facing Ramza, and Laharl and Ramza went 50/50 in a poll against Dante back in 2008.

You may not remember that match, but I don't blame anyone for blocking out the memory that Hogger advanced in a match with Ramza Beoulve in it.
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#241 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 11:09:24 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
We'll get a pretty decent read on Dante/Squirtle tonight anyway because Squirtle's facing Ramza, and Laharl and Ramza went 50/50 in a poll against Dante back in 2008.

You may not remember that match, but I don't blame anyone for blocking out the memory that Hogger advanced in a match with Ramza Beoulve in it.


I have a hard time believing that Ramza wouldn't smash Laharl straight up, so if Squirtle does anything approaching what Dante's doing on Laharl here I'm glad to call him the favorite.
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#242 | superange128 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:14:08 AM | message detail
Final Fantasy Tactics (and its characters) has its fans but it's not as popular as you're thinking it is
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#243 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:14:34 AM | message detail
Well, I'd pick Ramza > Laharl 1-on-1. I'm just saying it's a multi-way poll like that one was, and they do share a common match to judge off of. If Squirtle vastly over- or underperforms tonight, it could tell us something.

And Ramza and Laharl were still pretty close in the 2010 stats, too!

I don't know what to expect from Squirtle though. My gut instinct tells me it shouldn't be on the same level as Pikachu, so it shouldn't beat Dante.
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#244 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:15:56 AM | message detail
Also the only guys you should automatically bet against in debated matches simply because they are THAT character are Magus and Shadow.

*bracket has Magus > Otacon*

*bracket also has Shadow > Yu*

...Oh.
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#245 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/28/2013 11:17:17 AM | message detail
If anything, Ramza kind of looked worse in 2010. 37.5% against Riku vs. 32.5% against Sora
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#246 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/28/2013 11:19:26 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
We'll get a pretty decent read on Dante/Squirtle tonight anyway because Squirtle's facing Ramza, and Laharl and Ramza went 50/50 in a poll against Dante back in 2008.

You may not remember that match, but I don't blame anyone for blocking out the memory that Hogger advanced in a match with Ramza Beoulve in it.


Don't remind me. **** you Ramza :(

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#247 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/28/2013 11:20:23 AM | message detail
The difference between Laharl and Ramza is so negligible to the point it really doesn't matter who wins between them. Dante is currently getting 69.2% on Laharl(still rising), let's see how Squirtle holds up against Ramza.
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#248 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 11:22:00 AM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 5 Least Popular Night Polls
1. Lugia vs. Sly Cooper vs. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 22481
2. Big Boss vs. Captain Viridian vs. Peacock – Round 1 – 23150
3. Dracula vs. Lucina vs. Caim – Round 1 – 23719
4. GlaDOS vs. Cole vs. Ragna the Bloodedge – Round 1 – 24282
5. Elizabeth vs. Poison vs. Thrall – Round 1 – 24651

Top 10 Lowest Night Individual Votes
1. Chester – Round 1 – 924
2. Caim – Round 1 – 1586
3. Yuri Hyuga – Round 1 – 2535
4. Peacock – Round 1 – 2685
5. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 2692
6. Senator Armstrong – Round 1 – 2721
7. Welkin Gunther – Round 1 – 2999
8. Frank West – Round 1 – 3015
9. Captain Viridian – Round 1 – 3128
10. Reyn – Round 1 – 3332

Top 10 Least Predictable Matches
1. Draven vs. Jak vs. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 38.19%
2. Crash Bandicoot vs. Wheatley vs. Tommy Vercetti – Round 1 – 40.90%
3. Frog vs. Viewtiful Joe vs. Handsome Jack – Round 1 – 41.50%
4. Lugia vs. Sly Cooper vs. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 42.40%
5. Ike vs. Proto Man vs. Dr. Robotnik – Round 1 – 42.42%
6. Tharja vs. Tiny Tina vs. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 42.49%
7. Morrigan Aensland vs. Miles Edgeworth vs. Agent 47 – Round 1 – 45.15%
8. Altair vs. Ratchet vs. Shulk – Round 1 – 50.76%
9. Kefka vs. Zack Fair vs. Ryu Hayabusa – Round 1 – 51.14%
10. Barret Wallace vs. Professor Layton vs. Reimu Hakurei – Round 1 – 51.28%
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#249 | ecksgem | Posted 7/28/2013 11:22:19 AM | message detail
As far as pic sabotage goes, it kind of bugs me that some people are so adamant about some characters but it seems like a vast majority don't even care about a smiling Squall. Not that it's the same as some others, but still.

Just saying, be fair!
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#250 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 11:23:20 AM | message detail
Then00bAvenger posted...
If anything, Ramza kind of looked worse in 2010. 37.5% against Riku vs. 32.5% against Sora


Like I said, they're practically equal in the 2010 stats.

Laharl's probably a bit overrated though since he faced Sora at night, and Sora has one of the biggest day/night disparities in the contest. In a day match or a 24-hour match, Laharl does noticeably worse.

I guess you could say the same about Ramza/Riku, but Sora's day vote is actually quite a bit better than Riku's.
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