Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1081

#451 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:22:07 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
except by the time the round 2 matches come up, the ASV may start appearing again


Actually, looking at the calendar, the match is on a Sunday, so there won't be an ASV either way.


damn you got me -_-
#452 | The Real Truth | Posted 7/28/2013 9:22:39 PM | message detail
This is actually an interesting match to compare to the Dante match.

Dante/Squirtle
Laharl/Ramza
Raz/Denton

Who ya got?
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#453 | Lopen | Posted 7/28/2013 9:23:10 PM | message detail
Dante's basically a FFVII character. I'm pretty sure they do slightly better with day matches but yeah.
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#454 | creativename | Posted 7/28/2013 9:24:05 PM | message detail
Dante lucky it's Squirtle and not Blastoise.
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#455 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/28/2013 9:24:21 PM | message detail
1337gamerpr0 posted...
except by the time the round 2 matches come up, the ASV may start appearing again


The ASV will start appearing during the early part of round 2, but it will be diluted at first. Near the end of round 2 is will we'll get the full ASV again.
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#456 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:24:26 PM | message detail
We now have enough matches to expand the Top 5s into the full Top 10s so here they are...

Top 10 Most Popular Night Polls
1. Draven vs. Jak vs. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 39737
2. Tharja vs. Tiny Tina vs. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 30420
3. Yoshi vs. Solaire of Astora vs. Demi-Fiend – Round 1 – 30487
4. Link vs. Isaac vs. Tingle – Round 1 – 28930
5. Alucard vs. Captain Falcon vs. Rydia – Round 1 – 28202
6. Sephiroth vs. Midna vs. Little Mac – Round 1 – 28199
7. Mega Man X vs. Jigglypuff vs. Welkin Gunther – Round 1 – 27860
8. Sub-Zero vs. Garrus Vakarian vs. Frank West – Round 1 – 27770
9. Epona vs. Mordin Solus vs. Niko Bellic – Round 1 – 27091
10. Phoenix Wright vs. Marth vs. Nightmare – Round 1 – 26893

Top 10 Most Popular Day Polls
1. Raiden vs. Waluigi vs. Alan Wake – Round 1 – 37721
2. Barret Wallace vs. Professor Layton vs. Reimu Hakurei – Round 1 – 33945
3. Commander Shepard vs. Captain Olimar vs. Kain – Round 1 – 33313
4. Ryu vs. Yuri Lowell vs. Face McShooty – Round 1 – 32704
5. Solid Snake vs. Isaac vs. Commander Keen – Round 1 – 32667
6. Kirby vs. Terra Branford vs. Princess Peach – Round 1 – 32535
7. Aerith Gainsborough vs. Hero vs. Rinoa Heartilly – Round 1 – 32259
8. The Boss vs. Chrom vs. Heavy – Round 1 – 32203
9. Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Fei Fong Wong vs. Dan Hibiki – Round 1 – 31174
10. Morrigan Aensland vs. Miles Edgeworth vs. Agent 47 – Round 1 – 31101

Top 10 Least Popular Night Polls
1. Lugia vs. Sly Cooper vs. Francis York Morgan – Round 1 – 22481
2. Big Boss vs. Captain Viridian vs. Peacock – Round 1 – 23150
3. Dracula vs. Lucina vs. Caim – Round 1 – 23719
4. GlaDOS vs. Cole vs. Ragna the Bloodedge – Round 1 – 24282
5. Elizabeth vs. Poison vs. Thrall – Round 1 – 24651
6. Spyro the Dragon vs. Clementine vs. Reyn – Round 1 – 25235
7. Lara Croft vs. Slime vs. Yuri Hyuga – Round 1 – 25355
8. Mewtwo vs. Zero vs. Chester – Round 1 – 26315
9. Cloud Strife vs. Prinny vs. Senator Armstrong – Round 1 – 26340
10. Crash Bandicoot vs. Wheatley vs. Tommy Vercetti – Round 1 – 26393

Top 10 Least Popular Day Polls
1. Ness vs. Locke Cole vs. CATS – Round 1 – 27607
2. Frog vs. Viewtiful Joe vs. Handsome Jack – Round 1 – 28522
3. Dante vs. Laharl vs. Raz – Round 1 – 28802
4. Altair vs. Ratchet vs. Shulk – Round 1 – 29616
5. Kefka vs. Zack Fair vs. Ryu Hayabusa – Round 1 – 30260
6. Vincent Valentine vs. KOS-MOS vs. Dunban – Round 1 – 30485
7. Luigi vs. Balthier Bunansa vs. Jade – Round 1 – 30674
8. Ike vs. Proto Man vs. Dr. Robotnik – Round 1 – 30786
9. Bayonetta vs. N vs. Wander – Round 1 – 30900
10. Bowser vs. Meta Knight vs. Archer – Round 1 – 31013

Top 10 Least Impressive Night Winners
1. Elizabeth – Round 1 – 10217
2. Alucard – Round 1 – 10242
3. Tharja – Round 1 – 11016
4. Crash Bandicoot – Round 1 – 11242
5. Phoenix Wright – Round 1 – 11914
6. Epona – Round 1 – 12989
7. Lugia – Round 1 – 13362
8. Sub-Zero – Round 1 – 13612
9. Dracula – Round 1 – 13906
10. GlaDOS – Round 1 – 14259

Top 10 Least Impressive Day Winners
1. Ike – Round 1 – 11023
2. Kefka – Round 1 – 11443
3. Ness – Round 1 – 12979
4. Altair – Round 1 – 13157
5. Frog – Round 1 – 14305
6. The Boss – Round 1 – 14690
7. Morrigan Aensland – Round 1 – 14988
8. Kirby – Round 1 – 15109
9. Bayonetta – Round 1 – 15294
10. Vincent Valentine – Round 1 – 16308
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Points: 32/38 Today's Picks: Lugia and Dante
#457 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:25:32 PM | message detail
Almost a percent there

Denton almost at 10%
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Points: 32/38 Today's Picks: Lugia and Dante
#458 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:25:45 PM | message detail
#459 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/28/2013 9:25:59 PM | message detail
Yeah, Squirtle's not beating Dante. Okay. We got another decent-midcard Pokemon. That's probably where the more popular ones would all end up.
#460 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/28/2013 9:26:34 PM | message detail
creativename posted...
Dante lucky it's Squirtle and not Blastoise.


Yep.
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#461 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 9:27:18 PM | message detail
Yeah I feel like Dante can very arguably tangle with this, at least, so next round should stay debatable. Ramza's percentage on Squirtle now beating Laharl's on Dante - I still maintain Ramza should beat Laharl straight up, but he's probably got lots more to rise and they ain't too far away.

Y'all shoulda nominated Blastoiseeeeeeee
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#462 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/28/2013 9:27:45 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
except by the time the round 2 matches come up, the ASV may start appearing again


The ASV will start appearing during the early part of round 2, but it will be diluted at first. Near the end of round 2 is will we'll get the full ASV again.


For whatever it's worth. We have so few kids nowadays that the ASV will probably barely register. There will be trends, sure. But it won't really swing matches.
#463 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:06 PM | message detail
I would take Laharl over Ramza, these days. He looked better in 2010 and he's more 'relevant'.
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#464 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:12 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
2. Tharja vs. Tiny Tina vs. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 30420
3. Yoshi vs. Solaire of Astora vs. Demi-Fiend – Round 1 – 30487


I think these are out of order
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#465 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:13 PM | message detail
Dante lucky it's Squirtle and not Blastoise.

Yeah don't want to win by too much.
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#466 | The Real Truth | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:28 PM | message detail
I don't see how Blastoise being here would be any different.
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#467 | Xuxon | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:32 PM | message detail
From: -LusterSoldier- | Posted: 7/29/2013 12:24:21 AM | #455
The ASV will start appearing during the early part of round 2, but it will be diluted at first. Near the end of round 2 is will we'll get the full ASV again.

school doesn't start in my area until halfway through round 3
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#468 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:41 PM | message detail
dammit now we need to get blastoise in to settle this
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#469 | Achromatic | Posted 7/28/2013 9:28:49 PM | message detail
Squirtle just depends on how far he bleeds. I imagine the night is going to be ugly for him, but we'll see.
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#470 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:29:22 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
1337gamerpr0 posted...
except by the time the round 2 matches come up, the ASV may start appearing again


The ASV will start appearing during the early part of round 2, but it will be diluted at first. Near the end of round 2 is will we'll get the full ASV again.


but that's basically what I said -_-
#471 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:30:11 PM | message detail
For what it's worth, FFT's night vote isn't on the same level as other FF games.

Better than Pokemon's, sure, but not top tier.
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#472 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:30:37 PM | message detail
I think these are out of order

Thanks
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#473 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:30:51 PM | message detail
Another big drop for Squirtle. Two straight mid-50s updates.
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#474 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/28/2013 9:31:00 PM | message detail
How would Charmander do relative to Squritle? It' sort of cheating since it's essentially mini-Charizard but Charmander should be the most popular starter so it's weird if its weaker than Squirtle.
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#475 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 9:31:06 PM | message detail
Uh the caliber of FFT's night vote ain't gonna matter that much if he keeps tearing into Squirtle during the Power Hour
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#476 | Lopen | Posted 7/28/2013 9:31:25 PM | message detail
I think Laharl does better against strong entrants but Ramza has better strength overall. So for the purposes of these Laharl is stronger overall but if Squirtle were replaced with someone like say The Boss Ramza would look better.

Laharl isn't as recognizable as Ramza but he's more liked. That's what I think.
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#477 | Sorozone | Posted 7/28/2013 9:31:50 PM | message detail
At this rate Squirtle may not even stay above 60 at the end of the power hour.

Don't think Dante will have any trouble.
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#478 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:32:12 PM | message detail
With that said I don't mind bringing Blastoise in, probably the next one in the strength chart.

After that I'm good with Pokemon unless you want to get the smash guys in.
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#479 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:32:28 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Uh the caliber of FFT's night vote ain't gonna matter that much if he keeps tearing into Squirtle during the Power Hour


I know. I'm just saying I probably wouldn't expect Squirtle to bleed a ton after the first couple of hours are over.
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#480 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 9:32:48 PM | message detail
Dante definitely can tango with this "on paper." It's not all about numbers though. I'd only truly be worried about the little squirt's chances if Dante had looked clearly statistically superior, and that won't be the case even if Squirtle bleeds quite a bit the rest of the way through.
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#481 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:33:02 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
With that said I don't mind bringing Blastoise in, probably the next one in the strength chart.

After that I'm good with Pokemon unless you want to get the smash guys in.


Uhhh what Smash Bros. Pokemon are left?

Ivysaur and Pichu?
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#482 | Kotetsu534 (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/28/2013 9:34:02 PM | message detail
Yeah I wouldn't fault anyone for doubting Dante's ability to win close matches. If he beats Squirtle (and I think he probably will at this point, for what it's worth), he needs to win handily.
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#483 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:34:13 PM | message detail
Eh, if Squirtle drops below 60% in this (he shouldn't...I think) then Dante is the clear favorite. Ramza might basically be equal to Laharl, but Raz is definitely a step above JC Denton.
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#484 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:34:16 PM | message detail
Uhhh what Smash Bros. Pokemon are left?

Ivysaur and Pichu?


Yup
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#485 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/28/2013 9:34:31 PM | message detail
All the Smash Pokeballs!

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#486 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:34:48 PM | message detail
I would vote for Snorlax, hell yeah
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#487 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:35:39 PM | message detail
If Squirtle only ends up with a doubling here, I wouldn't really qualify it as a great performance. Riku got 62.5% on Ramza in 2010, and Ramza's probably weaker now.
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#488 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 9:39:16 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Dante definitely can tango with this "on paper." It's not all about numbers though. I'd only truly be worried about the little squirt's chances if Dante had looked clearly statistically superior, and that won't be the case even if Squirtle bleeds quite a bit the rest of the way through.


Political campaign experience has inured me against the idea of 'intangibles', though I understand (at least on some level) that the contest is a bit different... maybe.

...that being said, I'm curious; assuming Ramza = Laharl what would Dante have to be projected on Squirtle to look *clearly* statistically superior, in your opinion? It could conceivably be quite a bit by the end of this if Squirtle can't stem the bleeding.
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#489 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:40:58 PM | message detail
Are you all suggesting an All Pokemon Character Battle?

I think you all are suggesting an All Pokemon Character Battle.
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#490 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:40:59 PM | message detail
Okay yeah I am really glad it's a day match for Dante, that early vote was RIDICULOUS.
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#491 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/28/2013 9:41:04 PM | message detail
Really dropping like a rock now and we aren't even out of the power hour, looking real good for Dante.
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#492 | Lopen | Posted 7/28/2013 9:42:22 PM | message detail
Squirtle - 57%
Ramza - 31%
Denton - 12%

I think that's around what it finishes at. Is Dante clearly better at that point or not. I'm thinking yes but *shrug
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#493 | Lopen | Posted 7/28/2013 9:43:34 PM | message detail
I think that's a fairly generous percentage spread too. I could see Squirtle dropping to as low as 55% here. He's really falling apart.
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#494 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:43:59 PM | message detail
It's impossible to know for sure if Ramza is still equal to Laharl
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#495 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/28/2013 9:44:06 PM | message detail
I don't think FFT has that strong of a night vote. Doesn't it have a decent early vote?
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#496 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/28/2013 9:45:26 PM | message detail
Laharl has a new game like every year, including one that was free for Plus on Vita for a while, while Ramza is still burning the FFT oil

unless Ramza has been in a new thing that I don't know about
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#497 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/28/2013 9:45:57 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
It's impossible to know for sure if Ramza is still equal to Laharl


It is, but I can't imagine it's a big disparity in either character's favor. No real problem with treating them as equals for the purposes of this argument.
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#498 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2013 9:46:14 PM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
It's impossible to know for sure if Ramza is still equal to Laharl


For sure, it's just a rough assumption. Ramza could be a lot stronger than Laharl now, but at this rate he's gonna *have* to be for Squirtle to keep a shot at this.
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#499 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/28/2013 9:46:30 PM | message detail
Play Pokemon RBY
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#500 | HaRRicH | Posted 7/28/2013 9:46:36 PM | message detail
Play Braid.
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