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Achromatic posted... Lopen posted...Or Alucard dropped? It's not like any adjustment to Falcon would put him out of "close match with Alucard" range we're just talking a few percent here. Weaker precisely because of the anti-votes. Same idea with Master Chief. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Achromatic posted...
The problem there is that the stronger members of the field don't seem to overperform on them by nearly as much as the lower tier guys. If the upper tier guys got as much more as the lower tier guys they'd actually be in position to lose. To me that implies it's anti-voting more than a strength drop from Link Cloud and Seph. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
Lopen posted... Achromatic posted... Well it is hard to say I mean the noble nine has certainly had its fair share of "huh" moments over the years. I think if we want to talk about this contest we'll just have to wait and see if that pans out. If Cloud and Sephiroth take care of business then I'll consider it more anti-votes. Also Link didn't even underperform really, he matched his 2007 round 1 opening performance just fine. People expected too much. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
Lopen posted... Achromatic posted... Ehhhhhh while I'd like to believe Snake's gone from being doubled by Cloud to 48% on him - directly! - without a big strength drop on the part of FF7, I don't think any of us buy that. --- sig |
I'm not saying Cloud hasn't
dropped I'm just saying that against weaker opponents he always looks
worse than against stronger opponents. Recurring theme and part of the
reason blowouts don't matter much. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
I can't deny that anti-votes exist in some form but while Cloud has often looked a bit soft Sephiroth to my knowledge has not. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
Achromatic posted... Lopen posted...Achromatic posted... Whoa, no, this is crazy grasping at straws. Link put up 70.5% on three characters at once back in 2007, two of them who I'd easily take over Isaac (Binding) and a SFFed Tingle - who Link only got slightly more on this year. Link 2k7 absolutely annihilates this year's Link, it's not even a question, like the entire contemplation otherwise just reeks of pure denial. |
Karma Hunter posted... Achromatic posted...Lopen posted...Achromatic posted... Link put up similar % on Bidoof as he did Isaac - He actually put up more on Isaac directly. He just faced even worse fodder than Tingle in 2007 - no joke. Oh, and I am not saying Link is just as strong. But the fact that people freaked out over the result, in hindsight, shows a lack of perspective tbh. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
I
honestly feel as if Link vs. Tingle represented how that match would go
without SFF, and Tingle just got joke-voted enough to cancel it all
out. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Match XXXVIII: (6) Handsome Jack vs. (13) Frog vs. (22) Viewtiful Joe Previous Contest Handsome Jack N/A N/A Frog 2010 36.78% against Bowser Viewtiful Joe 2007 9.50% against Sonic the Hedgehog, Sub-Zero and Prince of Persia Analysis It is crunch time for Chrono Trigger and Frog is going to give us a little insight on what to expect later this round. Old Final Fantasy characters have been impressing, but I feel that is exclusive to Final Fantasy characters and it will not spread to Chrono Trigger. Frog would have to be quite a bit weaker for him to lose this match, but a weak performance could spell bad news for Magus later on. Viewtiful Joe makes his return to the contest, but outside of a couple of appearances in Marvel vs. Capcom has had nothing since we last saw him. I do not expect much out of him, but he could take second from Handsome Jack should he flop. Unlike Tina or Face Jack is more than just a random character in the game. While I do not see him being as big of a fan favourite as Claptrap the story does focus heavily on Jack and people do like him. I do not expect him to have a lot of strength, but my lack of faith in Viewtiful Joe makes me relatively confident in Jack. Unlike in 2010 Frog should have a relative easy win in the first round. Too bad he was not given a character around his strength, Frog and close matches always tends to have something crazy happen. 50% is a bit out of reach unless the other two guys really flop. charmander6000s Bracket: Frog > Handsome Jack and Viewtiful Joe charmander6000s Prediction: Frog 46.36%, Handsome Jack 28.58%, Viewtiful Joe 24.06% --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 30/36 Today's Picks: Cloud and Frog |
Achromatic posted... Lopen posted...Uh what were people expecting here? I think this is about what you should expect from Cloud. Prinny isn't that weak (it got like 39% on Ike IIRC) Let's take this to it's most logical extreme. Magikarp pulls the upset of a lifetime, upsetting Mega Man in the first round....only to run into Charizard into the division finals, allowing Zero to slip in the backdoor. Completely the opposite of Zero's expectations for this contest. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! The artist formerly known as greatone10. |
Outside of joke voters I don't think anyone would take Magikarp over Charizard. I expect massive SFF. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 30/36 Today's Picks: Cloud and Frog |
Does
this match prove that an 18 seed is one of the worst seeds you could
possibly draw in this contest? It's a guaranteed beating from a Noble
Niner while even a 25 seed has some hope of advancing. Also, coming in
second place isn't even guaranteed since the 27 seeds have joke/rally
potential, or are apparently very high fodder (wtf Prinny is a beast). --- If you believe in the Lord FE7 and you accept FE7 as the Savior of video games and are 100% proud of it, put this in your sig. |
Yeah
it kinda does. I was thinking earlier today that MAYBE the 18 seeds
are the equivalent of 16 seeds in a "regular" bracket, though I think I
shot down that assumption myself earlier...but it still kinda makes
sense due to two of the 18 seeds having been 16 seeds in the past. The 18 seeds also seem to have good diversity. You have: -The generic lead of a popular game. -The lead of a cult game. -The "lead" of an indie game. -A side character from a game that's extremely popular on this site. -A washed-up gaming icon. -The lead of a relatively niche current-gen game series. -The closest thing to a "main character" in the ensemble cast of a popular game. -A side character from an old game that's very popular on this site. -The main antagonist of a game that came out about half a year ago. No idea what the meaning is behind that, but I just felt like pointing that out - I think it was just kinda weird for me to see Duke Nukem and Midna have the same seed. As for the potential scenarios to take place in the next 1/18/27 matches: -With Kerrigan having new games under her belt since last we saw her, I don't think she should be *as* fodderrific as she used to be. It should at least be enough to beat Missile methinks. Also Kerrigan is easily the most mainstream character in that match. -Isaac Clarke has been pit against the worst possible 1 seed he could be put against, and with their being TWO power-armored characters there Sandbag could STF its way to 2nd place...but then again said 1 seed could SFF Sandbag within the Smash fanbase as well. Folks, we could be looking at Samus getting a hilarious blowout in spite of whatever Other M may have done to her! -Mario SFFs Fawful, the Duke is safe. -Magikarp uses joke power to beat Geno! I think Magikarp should outperform Jigglypuff's result on Mega Man X against Mega Man Classic, but I dunno. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Karma Hunter posted... Whoa, no, this is crazy grasping at straws. Link put up 70.5% on three characters at once back in 2007, two of them who I'd easily take over Isaac (Binding) and a SFFed Tingle - who Link only got slightly more on this year. I'm not convinced of this. Link 2k7 is probably stronger than Link 2k13, but it's a 50.50-49.50 thing, maybe one percent more. I think a lot of this comes down to votals. If 100 people antivote in a 100k vote pool, that's chump change. With the votals slashed down to a third of what they were, those antivotes are statistically significant. |
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charmander6000 posted... Outside of joke voters I don't think anyone would take Magikarp over Charizard. I expect massive SFF. If Magikarp is strong enough to beat Mega Man in Round Freaking 1, it's strong enough to beat a character whose actual strength is 55% on Kratos. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
This
is a decent performance from Cloud, he was never going to crack 70%
like Link and Snake because he is simply weaker than both at this point. --- ... |
abdou posted... This is a decent performance from Cloud, he was never going to crack 70% like Link and Snake because he is simply weaker than both at this point. Mario is weaker than Link and I expect he's gonna make Duke and whoever is with him look beyond awful. That's not a decent argument and you know it man. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Karma Hunter posted...Whoa, no, this is crazy grasping at straws. Link put up 70.5% on three characters at once back in 2007, two of them who I'd easily take over Isaac (Binding) and a SFFed Tingle - who Link only got slightly more on this year. That's gonna matter in any match. Link 2k7 being only slightly stronger than the Link of today is, like, totally bonkers. Link loses the board vote to Cloud now. Cloud! People recognize that Link always wins now and he is weaker for it. Like, tell me what percentage Link is gonna have to score next round for people to admit he's significantly weakened. 'Cause he has! You just don't realize it because he was so far ahead of the field to begin with. --- sig |
But most people would probably pick Mario over Cloud at this rate as well. Sonic might be a better comparison there. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
Also,
basing character strengths on performances against fodder is never a
wise idea. It's fun to speculate, but don't even pretend we have
anything definitive besides whatever trends between similar characters
we've seen so far. --- Current Let's Play: Final Fantasy II - http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3557012 Previous: http://lparchive.org/author/mega64 |
But I just can't agree with that. Here's a question for you: Make an Oracle prediction for Link's next match. Now assume we get 120k votes for it. Do you up your prediction for Link considerably, yes or no? Because I totally do. Link is a vote sponge, as are all other members of the noble nine. The more votes you add the harder they blow everybody out. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Karma Hunter posted...Whoa, no, this is crazy grasping at straws. Link put up 70.5% on three characters at once back in 2007, two of them who I'd easily take over Isaac (Binding) and a SFFed Tingle - who Link only got slightly more on this year. I'm not convinced of this either... If votals we're reduce by a third, would the antivote also be reduce by a third? --- Congratulation to SuperNiceDog. Guru Champ and Rivalry Rumble Master |
KanzarisKelshen posted...
I'm not talking about those kinds of blowouts that anti-votes make pretty tough - Cloud had a tough time with that even before he had weakened, obviously. I'm talking about the fact that you can see that Link obviously weakened from his peak in 2010, let alone where he's at this year. You have to argue for an active rebound on his part, him merely treading water won't get him close to his peak. You're talking about a guy going from 69% on Crono (2007) to 72% on Alucard (2010). A guy who put 54% up on Cloud in a time where Snake had to fight tooth and nail to beat a SFFed Sephiroth (2006) to 53.5% on a Cloud that barely scored 52% on Snake directly (2010). Link is sooooo much weaker now. It just doesn't particularly matter that he's getting soft because he was operating in an entirely different weight class from his rivals to begin with. --- sig |
I think my greatest ever accomplishment on GameFAQs is having the last remaining perfect bracket with the username isNotPerfect. But screw my Lugia pick, man... |
I am so glad that I abandoned you, Cloud. I'm sorry, but this just isn't good enough to even measure up to Snake, let alone Link. --- Die young and save yourself. Brace for the G's, and fast heel-toe work. |
OH WAIT! I have Sly winning. I thought I picked Lugia. lol nvm |
Man I can't imagine Lugia dropping that but if Sly pulls it off good on ya --- sig |
I'm feeling very confident in my Snake > Cloud pick right now. |
Cloud ends with above 66%.I expected 60% myself.Not bad. --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
I'm hoping that Joe comes out over Jack this time. Tiny Tina got 55.42% on Juliet Starling Joe has to be stronger than Juliet, right? He's got that "oh I know him" factor because he shares his name with his game and has a cool, distinctive picture. And Tiny Tina had just gotten a big DLC like a week before her match, so I think that boosted her. I dunno, really. I'm just hoping Joe can pull it off somehow. --- ~Zen |
Jack should be far stronger than Tiny Tina. --- Demyx is better than Axel. http://www.last.fm/user/crazydom |
Jack is much more popular than Tina is, and he was in that DLC too. --- You think this is over because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun. |
How do we know for sure? --- ~Zen |
Tina's name was in the DLC and her face and name were plastered all over banner ads on this site. --- ~Zen |
BL2 fans love Jack and hate Tina for the most part. --- You think this is over because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun. |
i
don't think Jack is that much stronger than Tina. but Joe was mega uber
fodder last time, and his last time was 2007. that's a recipe for doing
really badly this contest. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Of course, Joe has got to be stronger than Juliet is, and half the reason Tina beat Juliet is due to how weak Juliet is. --- You think this is over because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun. |
I
guess maybe Jack is stronger. I'm just finding it hard to think
Borderlands 2 is strong at all character-wise. It's got this crazy
ensemble cast. Tina couldn't even beat Tharja, and I know Joe isn't strong, but he has to be stronger than that. How big of a difference could there be between Tina and Jack? Also I brought up "Borderlands fans hate Tina" and Nick and some others screamed "NO THAT ISN'T TRUE" at me so I don't know anymore --- ~Zen |
Jack
is featured prominently in Borderlands 2, he is the top character for
that series at least in exposure. And there isn't a human soul alive
that likes Tina. --- You think this is over because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun. |
Xuxon posted... i don't think Jack is that much stronger than Tina. but Joe was mega uber fodder last time, and his last time was 2007. that's a recipe for doing really badly this contest. Counterpoint: MvC3. |
Is Joe popular in MvC3? I never see him played. --- You think this is over because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun. |
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Tails_vs_Viewtiful_Joe_2004 Hey, he kept up with Tails kinda maybe! Tails > Jack, right? Riiiight? Hmmm, maybe Joe really doesn't have a chance. I think the problem in 2007 is that he was stuck with Sonic, Subby, and Prince. Those are three recognizable names that are just more relevant. I think he under-performed. How are you expected to keep up with those three? --- ~Zen |
GANON1025 posted... Is Joe popular in MvC3? I never see him played. He's a low-tier hero. Whenever someone breaks him out on stream people get hella hype. He's just mid-tier and good if you use him with other gimmick-y assists. --- ~Zen |
Lots of talk about Joe being irrelevant, hasn't had a game in years... we said the same about Spyro and Crash. --- Fine! I'll go to the store and get your Goddamn drain cleaner! Character Battle IX Tingle Victory Parade - the journey is over.... |
But Spyro and Crash were at least popular when their games were out. And Spyro had a game out last year. --- You think this is over because I am dead. It's not over. The games have just begun. |
Spyro
and Crash are more iconic, though. But we still have the "same name as
the franchise" factor, which I think is a bigger deal than we give it
credit for. If you're faced with three characters you don't know, then
the one with the name you recognize might get the vote just cuz. Like
Bayonetta! I don't think it's a huge factor, but it helps. --- ~Zen |
Skylanders
is NOT a Spyro game in the least. In the last one he wasn't even on the
cover I think. They only included him in the sequel as an afterthought. If anything, Skylanders hurt Spyro. People hate what they did to him. If he got a Skylanders pic he might have lost. It's worse than DMC2 Dante. --- ~Zen |
I
know (well, any Spyro game past the first three doesn't really count). I
just don't think Joe can be written off here. Frog wins, but Jack vs
Joe? Hmm.. I'm risking Joe. --- Fine! I'll go to the store and get your Goddamn drain cleaner! Character Battle IX Tingle Victory Parade - the journey is over.... |
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