Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1080

#151 | Denzokuken (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/27/2013 12:02:52 AM | message detail
Go Cloud.
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#152 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/27/2013 12:21:25 AM | message detail
Oh god people in the spread betting topic actually has Joe over Jack? seriously?
#153 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/27/2013 1:15:32 AM | message detail
Augh cant believe I took Armstrong to take 2nd in this match. I thought Prinny would just be weaker fodder than him.

(didnt we nominate Prinny for a Guru selection one time?)

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#154 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/27/2013 1:40:49 AM | message detail
6 matches so far, yet none of the FF7 crew could even come close to surpassing the oracle expectation. Have a feeling that Snake's gonna do Cloud in even with the presence of Pikachu.
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#155 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 1:43:18 AM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
Augh cant believe I took Armstrong to take 2nd in this match. I thought Prinny would just be weaker fodder than him.

(didnt we nominate Prinny for a Guru selection one time?)

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Yeah and he did alright on Ike <_<.
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#156 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 7/27/2013 1:49:57 AM | message detail
I'd say this is pretty good considering the amount of anti-voting FF7 has.

Seriously though, the votals are way down and apparently like all the voters that left were FFVII fans.
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#157 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/27/2013 2:15:06 AM | message detail
While I know that Handsome Jack has no chance to beat Frog..
If it does happen,this will probably be the biggest ragestorm in the board so far
#158 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 2:19:03 AM | message detail
Handsome Jack is amazing and should beat Frog. I would completely not mind that happening.
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#159 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/27/2013 2:50:18 AM | message detail
I picked Handsome Jack to win in my bracket because he's the most mainstream character in that match and Chrono Trigger characters love to disappoint. However, with Old Square impressing while recent characters consistently bomb, now I have egg all over my face.

Frog's going to slice me off the leaderboard, I know it. At least I changed my Expert Challenge appropriately!
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#160 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/27/2013 2:52:43 AM | message detail
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Anti-government voting. That's something I've never heard before as a factor in these contests.


That's because we've never had a character with some sort of government title in his name before!

Well, unless you count "Princess" or something.

Totally nailed this one.
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#161 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/27/2013 2:55:47 AM | message detail
Also, this sort of performance should have been totally expected by everyone by this point.

Not that seeing Cloud rise to high heaven isn't still fun to this day, but still.
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#162 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/27/2013 2:56:29 AM | message detail
So 1 perfect and 1 zero bracket.Amazing.
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#163 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/27/2013 3:07:38 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Anti-government voting. That's something I've never heard before as a factor in these contests.


That's because we've never had a character with some sort of government title in his name before!

Well, unless you count "Princess" or something.

Totally nailed this one.


In which case Peach is the only character we've seen before who fits that description (screw Daisy). Zelda isn't usually labelled as "Princess Zelda".

And even then, government plays no role in anything about Mario or Zelda. On the other hand, I've heard that the government plays a huge role in Metal Gear Rising's plot (just like with the developer's previous game, Vanquish).
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#164 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/27/2013 3:10:22 AM | message detail
What is the difference between Peach and Daisy?And Princess Toadstool?I am confused.
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#165 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/27/2013 3:18:15 AM | message detail
Peach and Princess Toadstool are exactly the same person - the latter was her name prior to...Mario Kart 64 or something. Sometimes she's referred to as "Princess Peach Toadstool". Doing some more research, it seems that Peach was always her name in the original Japanese versions of the games (similar to the whole Robotnik vs. Eggman deal). Also Super Mario 64 popularized her actual name, prior to then she was referred to solely as Princess Toadstool.

Daisy is a completely different character, but she serves the same role in Super Mario Land for the Game Boy.

Man why am I talking about these characters? Who the f*** cares about either of them?
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#166 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/27/2013 3:20:16 AM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
What is the difference between Peach and Daisy?And Princess Toadstool?I am confused.


Her first name is Peach and her last name is Toadstool.

Daisy's a completely different person altogether.
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#167 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 7/27/2013 3:23:19 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Peach and Princess Toadstool are exactly the same person - the latter was her name prior to...Mario Kart 64 or something. Sometimes she's referred to as "Princess Peach Toadstool". Doing some more research, it seems that Peach was always her name in the original Japanese versions of the games (similar to the whole Robotnik vs. Eggman deal). Also Super Mario 64 popularized her actual name, prior to then she was referred to solely as Princess Toadstool.

Daisy is a completely different character, but she serves the same role in Super Mario Land for the Game Boy.

Man why am I talking about these characters? Who the f*** cares about either of them?


I do.

Anyway, I'm really not impressed with Cloud here. He's agains't a character who's being doubled by Prinny and... Prinny. I don't think 38% on Ike is really that good after the way he jobbed in his match.
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#168 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/27/2013 3:25:22 AM | message detail
Chart from the day match:

Time | Kefka | Zack | Ryu | Votes
0:05 | 39.44% | 30.93% | 29.62% | 611
1:00 | 38.61% | 32.15% | 29.24% | 4563
2:00 | 36.72% | 34.14% | 29.15% | 3489
3:00 | 37.87% | 32.39% | 29.74% | 3087
4:00 | 38.20% | 32.10% | 29.70% | 2882
5:00 | 38.35% | 33.36% | 28.30% | 2587
6:00 | 37.29% | 32.37% | 30.34% | 2502
7:00 | 40.29% | 31.36% | 28.35% | 2353
8:00 | 37.23% | 34.49% | 28.28% | 1931
9:00 | 36.56% | 32.96% | 30.48% | 1860
10:00 | 37.01% | 31.33% | 31.67% | 1743
11:00 | 37.01% | 32.25% | 30.74% | 1721
12:00 | 37.35% | 31.65% | 31.00% | 1542

Kefka manages a 40% hour, Hayabusa manages to win one hour over Zack. These day charts are kinda boring with no ASV.

X-Stats:

Kefka – 50.00%
Zack Fair – 46.29%
Ryu Hayabusa – 43.90%

Kefka's prediction percentage was 51.14%
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#169 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2013 4:01:21 AM | message detail | (edited)
I don't like this performance from Cloud. Maybe he'll rise faster in this second half of the match, but even being generous and giving him the tripling on Prinny that puts Ike at, like... Ryu (SF)'s level. Obviously Prinny should be the anti-vote magnet here and assuming he's stable isn't exactly a good bet, but the guy who's probably weaker in a 24 hour match than Protoman shouldn't be projected that high.

We'll have a better read next round anyway, but yeah.

EDIT: And man, do you take Golden Sun Isaac or Prinny
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#170 | spooky96 | Posted 7/27/2013 4:11:37 AM | message detail
By the way that Boderlands 2 Jack guy is no threat for Frog, right?
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#171 | paulg235 | Posted 7/27/2013 4:12:35 AM | message detail
Frog would have to fall pretty hard for Jack to best him.
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#172 | spooky96 | Posted 7/27/2013 4:14:21 AM | message detail | (edited)
Alright. Just asked asked as B2 is huge and.....Square ain't lookin' good in this contest.
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#173 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2013 4:17:15 AM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
By the way that Boderlands 2 Jack guy is no threat for Frog, right?


I have no idea who he is, but if he's anything approaching popular on any level he certainly would be. Frog is weak, weak, weak. I took him because - and I'm going to dispense with any euphemisms for Frog because he's quite frankly undeserving of them - Frog cheats. As long as the board has Frog in their brackets (you guys do have Frog, right), nothing short of a clean, dominating win will be sufficient to stop him.

If you're not convinced a character is high enough over Frog to be prevented from winning from a final hour of preposterously high vote spikes, don't pick 'em.
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#174 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 7/27/2013 4:19:12 AM | message detail
If the match is close, Frog wins.

Jack should be the strongest Borderlands rep we've seen in these contests though, for what it's worth though. Amazing villain. Should be good enough to beat Joe at least.
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#175 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/27/2013 4:36:39 AM | message detail | (edited)
Achromatic posted...
Handsome Jack is amazing and should beat Frog. I would completely not mind that happening.


I know right
He is pretty much in my top 10 list of best villains or something..!


Well someone can do a theory that he can actually beat Frog..let's try

Tiny Tina is a hated character from BL2 and an NPC,she is liked by less than half of BL2 fans and yet managed to come close to Tharja,a fan favorite from the most popular 3DS game currently
Now,Handsome Jack,the main villain of the game,is also very much liked by the fanbase and with BL2 being 2012 GOTY,he is expected to have some strength..maybe even more than Claptrap
Claptrap performance in 2010 was pretty good as Zidane only got 64% on him
Zidane xstats is 25.73,Frog 28
Considering the fact that BL2 was released last year and Jack should be stronger than Claptrap,and Frog got weaker...we might have a close match at hand!!

Ok,I tried
#176 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 4:29:00 AM | message detail
Also that isn't really true by the way, on the Tina part. Like Tina in her DLC is just amazing from what my friends have told me (haven't gotten to that yet) and people who said she is hated are pretty much stupid.
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#177 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/27/2013 4:30:36 AM | message detail
She was kinda fine in the DLC,yes
But that DLC was all kinds of awesome anyway ("Winter is a bloody business" for best mission in game)
#178 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/27/2013 4:38:18 AM | message detail
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Luster Soldier how many accounts do you have right now?


269


Lusterboard another reason GotD was the best contest ever.
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#179 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2013 4:39:54 AM | message detail
Man wait I'm back on the Leaderboard are you kidding me

I knew Kefka was a stupid upset, but did none of you decide to take the stupid upset with me this time? I thought we were in this together guys
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#180 | OrangeCrush980 | Posted 7/27/2013 5:41:23 AM | message detail
lol Cloud can't triple Prinny.
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#181 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 7/27/2013 5:45:51 AM | message detail
This Cloud performance is pathetic.

I think this is more FF7 than Square in general though. Kefka looked great, Terra and Locke looked good, especially the former. We'll have to see how the others do. Rinoa bombed, but she had SFF. Maybe it is just modern FF?
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#182 | Lopen | Posted 7/27/2013 5:46:47 AM | message detail
Uh what were people expecting here? I think this is about what you should expect from Cloud. Prinny isn't that weak (it got like 39% on Ike IIRC)
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#183 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/27/2013 5:51:34 AM | message detail | (edited)
This is a such a sick thought, but what is Magikarp projected to do based off of that pre-contest poll?
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#184 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 5:52:56 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Uh what were people expecting here? I think this is about what you should expect from Cloud. Prinny isn't that weak (it got like 39% on Ike IIRC)


He was projected to do about 79% on Prinny.

_SecretSquirrel posted...
This is a such a sick thought, but what is Magikarp projected to do based off of that pre-contest poll?


Go head to head with Mega Man, pretty much!
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#185 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 7/27/2013 5:55:48 AM | message detail
He's getting about 70%. He should be just below 80%. That is a significant underperformance. He is doing 10% worse than he should be, which more than accounts for random variation and lol x-stats.
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#186 | Lopen | Posted 7/27/2013 5:58:04 AM | message detail | (edited)
By the time the poll ends Cloud will be close enough to 79% on Prinny. 75% probably. Any discrepancies in that projection would probably be fodder being inflated by anti-votes.
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#187 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 5:58:06 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
By the time the poll ends Cloud will be pretty close to 79% on Prinny. 76 or 77% probably. Any discrepancies in that projection would probably be fodder being inflated by anti-votes.


I am not disagreeing, just letting you know what people probably expected for some reason.
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#188 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 7/27/2013 6:02:27 AM | message detail
Considering that Snake managed 78% on Isaac, really very pathetic performance by Cloud. I'd take Isaac to beat Laharl easily, let alone Prinny.
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#189 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/27/2013 6:02:35 AM | message detail
Cloud had under 71% on Prinny the first time I checked, but that was like two hours into the match. It seems that in five hours, he has managed to get to over 73% on Prinny, which would project him to be worth around 66% on Ike (not that I really know how this works). Cloud got 69% on Captain Falcon, so Ike being a bit stronger or at least at around the same level makes sense.
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#190 | Lopen | Posted 7/27/2013 6:02:44 AM | message detail
Also Prinny seems the type to overperform in multiway polls I think.

Granted the third option is only taking 10% here so I'm not sure how relevant that actually is. But yeah anti-votes anti-votes anti-votes. You can never trust Cloud x-stat projections.

... why don't we adjust down guys who face Cloud and Sephiroth and Master Chief in the adjusted stats anyway?
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#191 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/27/2013 6:03:18 AM | message detail
On a sidenote, I should hedge my bets on some of these debated matches in Expert Challenge a little bit more.

I had Zack > Zack > Kefka yesterday, and my -4 actually allowed me to overtake Bacon last night.
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#192 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 6:03:48 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Also Prinny seems the type to overperform in multiway polls I think.

Granted the third option is only taking 10% here so I'm not sure how relevant that actually is. But yeah anti-votes anti-votes anti-votes. You can never trust Cloud x-stat projections.

... why don't we adjust down guys who face Cloud and Sephiroth and Master Chief in the adjusted stats anyway?


Well Falcon/Alucard lived up to their closeness and that is one of Cloud's opponents. Don't think that'd be accurate.
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#193 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 6:04:23 AM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
On a sidenote, I should hedge my bets on some of these debated matches in Expert Challenge a little bit more.

I had Zack > Zack > Kefka yesterday, and my -4 actually allowed me to overtake Bacon last night.


In later rounds that won't work out well for you, I think.
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#194 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2013 6:06:08 AM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Lopen posted...
Also Prinny seems the type to overperform in multiway polls I think.

Granted the third option is only taking 10% here so I'm not sure how relevant that actually is. But yeah anti-votes anti-votes anti-votes. You can never trust Cloud x-stat projections.

... why don't we adjust down guys who face Cloud and Sephiroth and Master Chief in the adjusted stats anyway?


Well Falcon/Alucard lived up to their closeness and that is one of Cloud's opponents. Don't think that'd be accurate.


Alucard faced Link, who's also become significantly anti-voted.
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#195 | Lopen | Posted 7/27/2013 6:06:46 AM | message detail
Or Alucard dropped? It's not like any adjustment to Falcon would put him out of "close match with Alucard" range we're just talking a few percent here.
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#196 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/27/2013 6:07:40 AM | message detail
Alucard was against Link though.

But yeah, I just checked lol x-stats and apparently most of the field still doesn't get 30% on Cloud, which honestly doesn't make sense - I would think that...although on second thought, given Ike getting...hold on no, there's no way 62% on Prinny makes you anything more than a low midcarder at best. Falcon and Riku are clearly above that level. I mean, we wouldn't take Zidane over Riku, right? Right?

Okay yeah, Cloud's in trouble, and Ridley's performance against him in 2010 is starting to look super-fraudulent. So much for Ridley's upset chances! Although he probably will overperform anyway since he stands out and could joke around like Waluigi before him.
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#197 | Lopen | Posted 7/27/2013 6:08:56 AM | message detail
Anyway I think LMS agreeing that Cloud is disappointing here is evidence enough that he isn't. To my knowledge there has not been a lets play on contest analysis so he's really out of his element.
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#198 | Achromatic | Posted 7/27/2013 6:09:42 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Or Alucard dropped? It's not like any adjustment to Falcon would put him out of "close match with Alucard" range we're just talking a few percent here.


Yeah but to be honest I've always had a problem with major adjustments based off nothing but absurd speculation. Like direct SFF is one thing, solid **** is one thing, but I think most results show that it isn't that Cloud or Link are "anti-voted" so much as the field over the years is naturally drawing closer together. And as for FFVII I'd just call them "weaker" now not anti voted.
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#199 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2013 6:10:50 AM | message detail
Zidane really should have that match well in hand. He basically rules the roost in Dissidia and Ridley has every reason to bomb. Even accounting for my disrespect of Ike's strength, I don't like Ridley's strength at all.
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#200 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/27/2013 6:13:42 AM | message detail
Ridley is probably much stronger than say...the Villains Contest, as his role in Brawl got his name out to the larger Nintendo audience, and made him more recognizable than that crappy Super Metroid art he used to get.

But he's not beating Zidane. Just not happening.
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