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This result hurts my brain. I originally had Ryu H taking first, but switched to Zack, never considered Kefka at all. in 2010 Ryu beat da Master Chief. Chief's no slouch, he tends to get anti-voted, but he can still hold his own. Yet Ryu can't even beat Kefka with another FF character in the poll? o_0 . |
It
remains to be seen, but as of now I would guess that this FF7-deboost
is going to be contained to FF7. I think this is less age and
just...people liking the game less as time goes on. I've seen that
sentiment in general, recently. Translation: If Zidane loses to Ridley imma riot. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I don't think you can peg this on anything quite yet. If Kefka goes out and bombs against Altair next round (don't you dare tell me that or any other result with him is impossible), what then? --- sig |
Karma Hunter posted... what then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siuWZxDMGnk --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
People
are assuming Kefka is strong rather than Zack being the latest FF7
character to fall off a cliff. Hayabusa has been in terminal decline for
a while now, the fact that a guy who struggled to break 60% on Crash
and almost got tripled by Mega Man is hanging tight to him should tell
you whether this is Kefka being a powerhouse or Zack being abysmal. --- Smurf, the cream of Sonic Fanboyism. |
Does Altair > Lara? I'm going with Altair right now, but Lara could win too. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 29/34 Today's Picks: Lara Croft and Ryu H. |
Qwaar posted... Gah, originally had Kefka in both brackets, but changed the expert one because everyone said I was crazy. At least I still have the main. Well you were a bit crazy, but crazy can be good sometimes. I am just waiting for Vivi to beat Mario so that one guy wins the contest. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
KamikazePotato posted... It remains to be seen, but as of now I would guess that this FF7-deboost is going to be contained to FF7. I think this is less age and just...people liking the game less as time goes on. I've seen that sentiment in general, recently. After Other M, I kind of expect both him and Samus to drop the ball harder than ever. Worse if Samus gets her Other M Varia Suit. And even worse if they use an Other M picture of her without the suit. Hell, Zero Suit Samus almost lost to Tffa. Imagine what Other M Samus would do. --- Brawl FC - 1332 8069 6690 http://i.imgur.com/OZ9aS.png |
Vincent
, Sephiroth and Zack have now all looked bad. I hate this but the FF7
getting much weaker seems true, there is still Cloud's match , hopefully
he gets the job done . --- ... |
I
think this kind of bubble bursting/deboost happens with games (it
happened with Chrono Trigger in 2007). It's just taken a while for
FFVII's to hit since it was so massively popular to begin with. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
lol, Lara winning next round Utter annihilation at the hands of the casuals. --- sig |
--Smurf-- posted... People are assuming Kefka is strong rather than Zack being the latest FF7 character to fall off a cliff. Hayabusa has been in terminal decline for a while now, the fact that a guy who struggled to break 60% on Crash and almost got tripled by Mega Man is hanging tight to him should tell you whether this is Kefka being a powerhouse or Zack being abysmal. Ryu almost got tripled in the sprite round. A bit of a difference. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
KamikazePotato posted... Overall, the 2010 stats have been very accurate so far. I don't understand why every character Xstats I check has it's value much higher in 2010 than other years Thrall 2007-14.90 2010-19.59 Tails ranging between 18 and 23 and then suddenly 27.44 |
Nanis23 posted... KamikazePotato posted...Overall, the 2010 stats have been very accurate so far. Link antivoting the ZARD FF7 beginning it's fall from grace. |
Because Thrall was matched up directly with Link, rather than the cluster**** that is four way xstats. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
This
match basically confirms to me that Hayabusa just crumbles when facing
characters people actually care about. It wasn't Snake specifically
SFFing him those two times, he just ran into characters people wouldn't
vote 'cool ninja #99080292' over. I'll also accept Ninja Gaiden 3 causing a decline. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... LinkMarioSamus posted...raginbull911 posted...LinkMarioSamus posted...On the other hand, I feel as if Halo has never been particularly big since Halo 3 (or at least ODST), thanks to a certain other franchise becoming the big thing in that genre. I'm not entirely sure why, but somehow I have a hard time imagining Master Chief getting a whole lot of extra flak for it. Then again, I feel that Halo isn't as associable with the Xbox brand now as it was as late as 2009 or 2010 for some reason - maybe because other, bigger games on the 360 have been more highly-regarded? I dunno. Chief has a good number of advantages though. He'll stand out in the match pic. It's a day match, and not only does he have an amazing day vote, his opponents are both HORRIBLE during the same timeframe. Post-SNES Final Fantasy characters have been disappointing left and right. And you know what? If Kefka can pull out all the stops when we expect him to choke, maybe Master Chief can do the same. Who knows? That being said, I feel that the Halo games performing well in Game of the Decade show that the series is becoming viewed in a more nostalgic light. Like, if Halo 1 is Final Fantasy VII and Halo 3 is Final Fantasy X, Halo 4 is Final Fantasy XII. The series is still going on but simply nowhere near as big as it used to be. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
-The 2010 Stats have Link listed as 52 on BL, which is probably too high -Charizard overperforming -Mega Man/Mario/Sonic being given arbitarily high values -Anti-voting, etc. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
Karma Hunter posted... I don't think you can peg this on anything quite yet. If Kefka goes out and bombs against Altair next round (don't you dare tell me that or any other result with him is impossible), what then? But but...Altair loves to bomb in Round 2! To be fair however, this year Altair didn't go completely beast in Round 1 like he did in his prior appearances, so maybe he's ready to break that trend. I guess Altair would beat Zack now, huh? --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Ryu is now beating Zack in the US. C'mon improbable Ryu run for the win! --- http://i.imgur.com/32RNLnc.gif |
GloryChaos posted... KamikazePotato posted...It remains to be seen, but as of now I would guess that this FF7-deboost is going to be contained to FF7. I think this is less age and just...people liking the game less as time goes on. I've seen that sentiment in general, recently. I feel as if there's some serious irony that Other M is being mentioned as potentially causing Samus to decline, right as Ryu Hayabusa is performing like crap and we're all theorizing that it's due to a game made by THE SAME PEOPLE. And I've heard that Ninja Gaiden III does exactly the same thing to Ryu Hayabusa, too. Lol Team Ninja. So yeah, Samus, Ridley, Leon, and Lightning are all officially on notice after this debacle. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
So yeah, Samus, Ridley, Leon, and Lightning are all officially on notice after this debacle. Leon? his path is pretty predictable. Gets to Round 3, loses to Cloud. Unless you were talking about Squall. in which case, LOOOOOOOOL no one calls him Leon . |
Wow, FFVII was recently released on steam, too. Maybe everyone who got it realized it wasn't as good as they remembered! --- Watch me play games! http://www.twitch.tv/lordofdabu |
Yeah,
my gut kept telling me to pick Kefka here, but I wouldn't listen
because it didn't make sense. But Kefka's matches never make sense. also why are people asking everyone except for me for trend analysis this makes me sad --- http://www.miscupload.com/upload/452457071929141623517416.gif |
Samus
will probably look less than stellar, but it doesn't matter. She's got a
free pass to run smack dab into a match with Mario and Mega
Man/Charizard that she has absolutely zero chance to win. She doesn't
get to have an outside, crazy threat from Tifa or Auron pop up again
because they're going to be in the exact same match. Really wasted
bracket placement for her this year. --- sig |
But
speaking of trends, you guys really shouldn't be expecting any huge
vote swings because there is no ASV right now. We haven't seen a huge
day vote swing yet. --- http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7760/222bj.jpg |
Karma Hunter posted... Really wasted bracket placement for her this year. This has been the case since 2003. Seriously, Samus hasn't had a debatable path since 2002. Well, 2005, I guess, if you count the match with Mario. But as far as a difficult division? Nope. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
To be fair, Samus's path is pretty predictable as well. I just find it weird that we're all going on about Ninja Gaiden III hurting Ryu Hayabusa and Metroid: Other M hurting Samus and Ridley, yet somehow what's most objectively the biggest flop of this generation in Resident Evil 6 isn't getting mentioned as possibly hurting Leon? Oh and as for Lightning...divisive protagonist of a game that gets A LOT of hate on the Internet. Feel bad saying that due to that friend of mine I mentioned earlier who's a huge fan of hers. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
LeonhartFour posted... Karma Hunter posted...Really wasted bracket placement for her this year. I don't get it. You could give her Snake, Sephiroth, even Cloud again if he's fallen off enough or in an extremely unlikely occurence Mega Man if you're expecting a mini Snake-style boost for his announcement. All of these are debatable matches, and she instead gets to waltz smack dab into an SFF beatdown on her ass. --- sig |
It's not going to hurt Leon because Leon was easily the best part of the game. --- http://i.imgur.com/32RNLnc.gif |
I know we are 8 hours away from the next match but.. Consideing the fact that there is no consensus about the second place,there is a very very little discussion about this match Prinny scoring 37.51 on Ike sounds good...but that Armstrong guy is a MGS character so maybe he can pull through...? |
LeonhartFour posted... Karma Hunter posted...Really wasted bracket placement for her this year. Hey now, at least in 2006 she got a match with Snake that at least looked like it might be debatable going in, and she tried her damndest to make it look like she could take down Cloud. |
ffmasterjose posted... So yeah, Samus, Ridley, Leon, and Lightning are all officially on notice after this debacle. Resident Evil 6? |
*Cloud in 2010 But yeah, both Mario and Samus are really wasted in this bracket, which sucks because seeing how Cloud/Snake/Mario/Samus would shake out was the only thing I was interested in when it came to a new contest! |
Kefka almost at 800 now. I can't see Zack turning this around. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 |
What
about Resident Evil 6? I doubt its enough to make him instantly hated
or something. He still has the awesomeness of Resident Evil 2, and most
importantly RESIDENT EVIL 4 to fall back on . |
Was Cloud/Samus really debated in 2010 though? I know it was hoped for, but did anyone really argue it'd happen? --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo22vfguji1qzxr43.gif |
Resident Evil 6 has a mixed reception, to put it mildly, but it is nowhere near as hated by its fanbase as Other M and NG3. I really doubt it does anything to Leon either way. --- Demyx is better than Axel. http://www.last.fm/user/crazydom |
Yeah, I'd have probably voted for Ryu H again if Ninja Gaiden 3 hadn't happened. It was... really awful. As for Other M, no one has ever accused me of being a Samus fan, but I'm quite fond of Metroid and bought the game on Day One. It turning what used to be only mere dismissiveness of Samus into utter revulsion was quite a feat! --- sig |
I doubt RE6 had any sort of negative impact on Leon. He'll always have RE4 on his side. Chris Redfield, on the other hand...Apparently, RE6 was bad enough for him that he couldn't even get into the contest. --- http://gifsoup.com/view/874243/big-boss-o.gif |
LeonhartFour posted... Was Cloud/Samus really debated in 2010 though? I know it was hoped for, but did anyone really argue it'd happen? It was extremely debated by Samus-standards! I mean, sure if you count that you also count Samus/Mega Man/Yoshi/(at the time Frog or Midna lol scorpion), but still, gotta work with what you get! |
FranzyvonKarma posted... LeonhartFour posted...Was Cloud/Samus really debated in 2010 though? I know it was hoped for, but did anyone really argue it'd happen? Hey now, Mega Man got more on Samus in that match than Samus got on Cloud in 2010! The upset possibility was legittttttttttttt --- sig |
Holy crap I leave for a while and Kefka is +800 on Zack. --- I pwn you all! |
LeonhartFour posted... Karma Hunter posted...Really wasted bracket placement for her this year. Somehow I want to look at this point. To be fair, being perennially in the middle of the Noble Nine has always made it difficult for Samus to be thrown into any debatable matchups. 2003 - Wins three matches, runs into Link. Probably does as well as expected without SFF factored in, with anti-votes + Wind Waker pic hurting Link enough to cancel out the SFF, but I don't know. I think the x-stats from the following character battle have Link getting pretty much the exact same % on Samus, but that was after boosting from the Twilight Princess announcement. Part of me wants to say that "I can't see Samus breaking 40% on Link if Mario can't even break 40% on Sephiroth", but then again Samus being stronger than Mario wouldn't be TOO out there I don't think. Putting her against Mario, Crono, Snake, or Mega Man would have probably been a better idea. 2004 - Wins three matches, blows out Sonic in a rematch, breaks 40% on defending champion. Again, would have probably helped to put her against Mario, Crono, Snake, or Mega Man. 2005 - Wins three matches, gets SFFd enough to make Mario look as strong as Cloud. Thanks to the Nintendo boost she obviously had no shot at Mario this year, but hindsight is 20/20 obviously. Again, better to pit her against Snake, Crono, or Mega Man. 2006 - CONTEST CHAMPION HERE WE COME!!! OH WAIT, WE STRUGGLED WITH SOME MATCHES! BUT NOPE, I'M STILL WINNING THE CONTEST. Let's not even talk about this year - better bracket placement for Samus would have pretty much required for the male/female split to go bye-bye. 2007 - Wins three matches, gets 2nd place in Round 4 thanks to Cloud, somehow managed to not end up in last in final match but no one cared. Any other year Mega Man vs. Samus would have been debated, but with Mega Man crapping the bed the previous contest it was clearly Samus's to lose. She should have been against...Snake I think? Literally her only debatable match. 2008 - Wins four matches, runs into her worst opponents and jobs - although IIRC she did way better against Mario than in any of their previous encounters. Had a somewhat debatable Round 3 match where the idea was that she could have been leeched so badly that Vincent could beat her (gee that sounds familiar...), but it didn't come close to happening. Again, had Samus been on the lower rung of the Noble Nine it would have made sense, but she's always in the middle so forget it. Once again, Snake was the only remotely debatable matchup for her, but then you look at what Snake actually did in 2008 and you just throw out that notion. 2010 - Wins four matches, gets 47% on Cloud, but no debate whatsoever. Debatable matchups: Snake, Sephiroth, no one else. So there's her problem. In 2002-2005 she had a pretty large-ish range for a Noble Niner, but then in 2006 two of her biggest competitors crapped the bed while the third started a gradual rise - and to be honest I don't think Snake vs. Samus would have been a debate in 2008 or later, maybe not even in 2007 (unless you're one of those who believes that Snake will collapse against Nintendo characters). The only upside is Sephiroth dropping enough to the point where he could lose to Samus in 2010. This year of course we could have done way better, you'd just have to throw Samus against Cloud, Sephiroth, or the lower rung members of the Noble Nine. Unfortunately, even that couldn't happen. For shame. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
charmander6000 posted... Yeah, 2010 stats said Kefka vs. Zack would be a close match in favor of Zack. It's not really absurd that the FFVII drop over the course of 3 years could turn a 52-48 match for Zack into a 54-46 one for Kefka. Stats are unreliable in general for 2010, but if you go by 38% on Bowser vs 38% on Mega Man, it's really obvious who the stronger character was that year. This is easily the most shocking result of the contest so far. The warning signs were there (Vincent/Aeris/Seph underperforming, Terra looking great), but I never woulda guessed Kefka could pull this off. Yet again he screws with our brackets and expectations. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
Trend chart from the night match: Time | Lara | Yuri | Slime | Votes 0:05 | 53.16% | 10.63% | 36.21% | 301 1:00 | 55.18% | 9.37% | 35.45% | 4824 2:00 | 55.81% | 11.04% | 33.15% | 2899 3:00 | 57.29% | 11.43% | 31.28% | 2196 4:00 | 58.80% | 9.03% | 32.18% | 1728 5:00 | 58.27% | 9.14% | 32.59% | 1433 6:00 | 60.39% | 11.70% | 27.91% | 1333 7:00 | 58.50% | 11.22% | 30.28% | 1453 8:00 | 56.36% | 11.21% | 32.43% | 1659 9:00 | 59.33% | 8.86% | 31.81% | 1930 10:00 | 57.57% | 9.35% | 33.07% | 2053 11:00 | 59.96% | 9.44% | 30.60% | 1928 12:00 | 58.83% | 9.12% | 32.05% | 1919 Lara struggles out of the gate (relatively speaking), but really turns it up with the night vote. Slime does well out of the gate but can't quite hit that level again afterward. Poor Yuri. X-Stats: Lara Croft – 50.00% Slime – 36.06% Yuri Hyuga – 14.80% Lara's prediction percentage was 86.86% --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
MegatokyoEd posted... Resident Evil 6 has a mixed reception, to put it mildly, but it is nowhere near as hated by its fanbase as Other M and NG3. Somehow I can't imagine MOM being viewed worse by its series' fans than RE6, but then again perhaps that's mostly because of MOM actually receiving mostly positive reviews and me knowing more fans of that game. RE6 is a full 11 points behind MOM on Metacritic at least. On the other hand, another way to look at it: Resident Evil fans were already despairing after Resident Evil 5, so Resident Evil 6 being bad was not completely unexpected. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
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*ahem* THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY THE BABY --- sig |
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