Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1079

#451 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/26/2013 1:59:59 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
Resident Evil 6 has a mixed reception, to put it mildly, but it is nowhere near as hated by its fanbase as Other M and NG3.

I really doubt it does anything to Leon either way.


I thought Other M was relatively well received? I mean, aside from the feminazi's of the world complaining about how Samus was a "damzel in distress" or some other garbage.
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#452 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/26/2013 2:01:46 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I thought Other M was relatively well received?


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#453 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/26/2013 2:01:57 PM | message detail
I think RE6 had a negative impact, but it was on Chris, not Leon. There's a reason he didn't make it in whatsoever despite a good 2010 showing.
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#454 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:02:19 PM | message detail
And on that note, if we're going to go on about Leon still having Resident Evil 4, on that token Samus still has all her old games. For that matter, I feel as if RE4's reputation has taken a hit ever since RE6 came out.
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#455 | Myst-Vearn | Posted 7/26/2013 2:02:44 PM | message detail
I thought Other M was relatively well received? I mean, aside from the feminazi's of the world complaining about how Samus was a "damzel in distress" or some other garbage.

Hahahahaha
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#456 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/26/2013 2:03:12 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
Resident Evil 6 has a mixed reception, to put it mildly, but it is nowhere near as hated by its fanbase as Other M and NG3.

I really doubt it does anything to Leon either way.


I thought Other M was relatively well received? I mean, aside from the feminazi's of the world complaining about how Samus was a "damzel in distress" or some other garbage.


Other M had terrible, gimmicky gameplay (much as I hate to fall back on gimmicky because it's such an overused, lazy insult for Wii games). It's an attempt to mix 2-D Metroid with FPS Metroid without putting any effort into either.

I mean, it was well-recieved in the sense that it sold well in Japan.
#457 | paulg235 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:04:19 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
What are the guru stats for this match?

Kefka - 20
Ryu Hayabusa - 50
Zack - 175
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#458 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/26/2013 2:04:27 PM | message detail
RE6's reception in the fanbase just seems to amount to it being a bad game. Oh well.

I've seen so many people consider Other M and NG3 so bad that they think those games killed the entire series.

And considering we haven't heard a peep about a new Metroid game since Other M, Nintendo seems to agree.
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#459 | HaRRicH | Posted 7/26/2013 2:04:48 PM | message detail
LordOfDabu posted...
Wow, FFVII was recently released on steam, too. Maybe everyone who got it realized it wasn't as good as they remembered!


I almost mentioned this jokingly earlier...but after replaying FF7 recently (when Square released it from their site -- not from Steam), its flaws were more evident. Still a good game for the things it does so well, but it broke through my nostalgia-goggles at times too. It could use a remake, not just a port.

I doubt this has a wide-spread effect -- especially in comparison to the more likely effect of just fading with time -- but I could see this happening a bit.
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#460 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:05:42 PM | message detail
So out of 245 Gurus 20 had Kefka?Less than 10%?Okay casuals will kick this board nuts since Kefka is the higher seed so the prediction percentage will be high.For them.
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#461 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2013 2:05:46 PM | message detail
C'mon now, this is just willful ignorance here. We literally have a rating system that shows how the users from this very site think of games, and it's obvious Other M wasn't well-received by GameFAQs in any shape or form.

And of course, Samus still has her games. She won't be weak at all, and a 'deboost' from Other M is so far out there speculation at best.

...but Ryu Hayabusa still has his old games, I don't think that stopped NG3 from hurting him at least a bit. Certainly didn't help.
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#462 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/26/2013 2:07:14 PM | message detail
FF7 is a game that is going to get less respected with time. You can blame Square - the current state of the company and it's games means that the strongest, most well-known stuff is going to start hurting before anything else. Seeing Square put out so much crap lately can make people wonder whether the original stuff was any good to begin with.
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#463 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/26/2013 2:08:04 PM | message detail
Other M was incredibly poorly-received, espeically for a game that seemed like a wonderful concept at the time. Metroid action game? By the Ninja Gaiden guys? Sign me up!

Oops.
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#464 | Myst-Vearn | Posted 7/26/2013 2:10:24 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
FF7 is a game that is going to get less respected with time. You can blame Square - the current state of the company and it's games means that the strongest, most well-known stuff is going to start hurting before anything else. Seeing Square put out so much crap lately can make people wonder whether the original stuff was any good to begin with.


shoundn;t be the opposite? the trash SE is making should make people appreciate the older games a lot more.
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#465 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:10:28 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
RE6's reception in the fanbase just seems to amount to it being a bad game. Oh well.

I've seen so many people consider Other M and NG3 so bad that they think those games killed the entire series.

And considering we haven't heard a peep about a new Metroid game since Other M, Nintendo seems to agree.


You know what else we haven't heard a peep about? A new big Mario game, or a new big Zelda game.

I don't see how Metroid is any more dead than proper Mario or proper Zelda.
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#466 | HaRRicH | Posted 7/26/2013 2:10:51 PM | message detail
If the GameFAQs-rating system (or the acronym M:OM) isn't enough to show you it wasn't well-received:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4209

Don't think it'll hurt Samus much/any, but it's not an ace in her sleeve either.
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#467 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/26/2013 2:13:44 PM | message detail | (edited)
It's never worked that way. Call of Duty MW2/3 being poorly-received by the gaming community didn't make Call of Duty 4 stronger, it just made people stop caring about CoD4.

Games and characters are tied to how their company is viewed. It's inevitable. People may have been able to overlook FF7's faults when they loved Square and had a lot of nostalgia for it. If they don't love Square anymore, then they're going to be more critical of the series in general, especially the biggest game in the series.
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#468 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2013 2:15:12 PM | message detail
Nintendo's not exactly lighting the world on fire either these days!

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Year of the Snake it's happening
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#469 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:19:37 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...
Resident Evil 6 has a mixed reception, to put it mildly, but it is nowhere near as hated by its fanbase as Other M and NG3.

I really doubt it does anything to Leon either way.


I thought Other M was relatively well received?


You're actually right on this one. It received mostly positive reviews from critics, and was featured on a few "best games of 2010" lists. I even saw it on a "most surprisingly good games of 2010" list and a "most under-the-radar games of 2010" list. I still even know quite a few people who are huge fans of that game - I've run into a few who prefer it to Super Metroid, even, and I've seen it at #1 on not one, but TWO "most underrated games" countdowns on YouTube.

Put it this way: it has a 79 on Metacritic. Part of me feels that nowadays, most would say that's too high.

The even more stupid thing is that I was playing Super Metroid earlier today and based off of what I remember of Other M and the reviews I've seen of the game recently, I honestly felt that I wouldn't enjoy Other M a whole lot less at all (note that Metroid Prime is my favorite game of all time, and I don't like Super Metroid a whole lot less than it). Also, pretty much every rant I've seen about how bad the game supposedly is is in reality just complaining about how it's not like previous games in the series - WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POINT.

Then again, I probably just view the series differently. To me, I feel that Prime is better than Super Metroid in every way so it was great to see the series' original developers give up on the series' original formula and try something different. You want a game more like the Metroids of old, you have SO MANY OPTIONS nowadays - you could be playing BioShock, or the new Tomb Raider, or Dark Souls, or Cave Story, or Shadow Complex, or loads of other alternatives, and even otherwise you could play Journey or Shadow of the Colossus for the same sense of exploration. To me, Samus herself and the series' universe are far more important.
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#470 | ZFS | Posted 7/26/2013 2:20:24 PM | message detail
I don't think people were ever overlooking FFVII's faults, it just used to be a much bigger game, like Final Fantasy was a much bigger, more notable series before this generation. SE hasn't done much to try to refresh FFVII, other than porting the original game to PSN and PC, and as a company, they're no longer held in high regard, so that naturally will have affect, too. So I think you're right about how people view the company, or the brand, mattering, but I don't necessarily think it's because people are realizing anything about FFVII that they didn't before. It's like how Mario will do better when Nintendo is in favor versus not, regardless of the quality of his games coming out.
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#471 | dethfdddddh | Posted 7/26/2013 2:21:22 PM | message detail
Now that Kefka seems like he's a midcarder, how does he deal against the following:

-Sub-zero
-Fox
-Leon
-Big Boss
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#472 | Denzokuken | Posted 7/26/2013 2:24:16 PM | message detail
Some of these theories on FFVII's current status are uh... out there. The game has gotten older. That's about it.
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#473 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:25:02 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
It's never worked that way. Call of Duty MW2/3 being poorly-received by the gaming community didn't make Call of Duty 4 stronger, it just made people stop caring about CoD4.

Games and characters are tied to how their company is viewed. It's inevitable. People may have been able to overlook FF7's faults when they loved Square and had a lot of nostalgia for it. If they don't love Square anymore, then they're going to be more critical of the series in general, especially the biggest game in the series.


The stupid thing is that I don't really see that. I feel that FF7 and its immediate sequels were cool to hate on for much of the 2000s, then I've seen that quiet down pretty drastically for the most part since Final Fantasy XIII came out.

Final Fantasy XIII is another weird case, too. Game was initially well-received and in 2010 and 2011 I still heard more good than bad about it, but from 2012 onwards it has pretty much become a symbol for everything wrong with Square Enix nowadays and one of the most hated games on the Internet. I feel that Metroid: Other M had similar problems - I started hearing a lot more downtalk about the game from 2012 onwards.

For that matter, I feel that a lot of games that were once popular (and probably still are) started to get a lot of hate from 2012 onwards, at least on this board.
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#474 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:30:04 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I don't think people were ever overlooking FFVII's faults, it just used to be a much bigger game, like Final Fantasy was a much bigger, more notable series before this generation. SE hasn't done much to try to refresh FFVII, other than porting the original game to PSN and PC, and as a company, they're no longer held in high regard, so that naturally will have affect, too. So I think you're right about how people view the company, or the brand, mattering, but I don't necessarily think it's because people are realizing anything about FFVII that they didn't before. It's like how Mario will do better when Nintendo is in favor versus not, regardless of the quality of his games coming out.


I don't think Mario will take a hit. Rather, Link will take the hit now.
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#475 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/26/2013 2:31:01 PM | message detail
On any other site, FF7 would be hurting significantly more than it is now. The only reason the characters can still compete like they can here is because GameFAQs hasn't aged past 2005!
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#476 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:31:09 PM | message detail
dethfdddddh posted...
Now that Kefka seems like he's a midcarder, how does he deal against the following:

-Sub-zero
-Fox
-Leon
-Big Boss


He isn't beating any of them. Maybe he could beat Fox, but after Fox did kind of well against Snake I doubt it. Leon's also a no-no unless you feel that Resident Evil 6 made him drop.
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#477 | ZFS | Posted 7/26/2013 2:35:10 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
On any other site, FF7 would be hurting significantly more than it is now. The only reason the characters can still compete like they can here is because GameFAQs hasn't aged past 2005!


Many things would be hurting and aided by being on a different site. Just different demographics voting in these things.
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#478 | WhiteLens | Posted 7/26/2013 2:37:14 PM | message detail
Man I feel so bad for doubting Kefka.
So should we be worrying if Celes can beat Seifer?
If this is a sign of the return of old Square, I guess Magus can win after all. And Cecil should win for sure.
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#479 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/26/2013 2:37:36 PM | message detail
Well yeah, I'm just saying GameFAQs clings to their nostalgia more than any other site on the internet. It has been 16 years since FF7 was released, and Cloud is still Top 5 on this site despite only being in stuff like KH and Dissidia since then. That's pretty impressive, all things considered.
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#480 | ZFS | Posted 7/26/2013 2:39:13 PM | message detail
Magus was always going to win! Otacon is nothin'.
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#481 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/26/2013 2:39:30 PM | message detail
To be fair Cloud has also gotten Advent Children...though yeah that probably didn't do him any favors after a while.
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#482 | Nintendoboy375 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:41:37 PM | message detail | (edited)
I originally had Kefka winning in my bracket, but I changed it to Ryu Hayabusa after I heard he was expected to get 3rd place.

I don't regret changing, to be honest. Zack was expected to win by most people, so everything will even itself out in the end. I also get a -2 in my Expert instead of a -6 for people who had Zack winning.
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#483 | raginbull911 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:41:03 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Well yeah, I'm just saying GameFAQs clings to their nostalgia more than any other site on the internet. It has been 16 years since FF7 was released, and Cloud is still Top 5 on this site despite only being in stuff like KH and Dissidia since then. That's pretty impressive, all things considered.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/topgames/

FF7 being 14th on the GameFAQs top 100 chart is just mind boggling. It's been on the chart for 5410 days; almost 15 years. That's longer than some of this site's users have been alive. Just crazy.
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#484 | Denzokuken | Posted 7/26/2013 2:43:30 PM | message detail
Indeed, it's been a good run. But I'm starting to accept the fact that FFVII is the next Chrono Trigger.
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#485 | swordz9 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:44:32 PM | message detail
With Kefka crushing what is he projected to finish at in this match if nothing unusual happens?
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#486 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/26/2013 3:03:29 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
On any other site, FF7 would be hurting significantly more than it is now. The only reason the characters can still compete like they can here is because GameFAQs hasn't aged past 2005!


This doesn't make sense when you consider he's losing to a character from the previous entry in the same series.
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#487 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/26/2013 3:04:04 PM | message detail
And I played an hour or so of Other M and thought it was alright. Certainly better than Prime 2/3
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#488 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/26/2013 3:05:57 PM | message detail | (edited)
It may be a friday, but that near thousand vote lead isn't going anywhere kids.

Sorry Zack kiddos, time to pack it in.
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#489 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/26/2013 3:12:38 PM | message detail | (edited)
raginbull911 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Well yeah, I'm just saying GameFAQs clings to their nostalgia more than any other site on the internet. It has been 16 years since FF7 was released, and Cloud is still Top 5 on this site despite only being in stuff like KH and Dissidia since then. That's pretty impressive, all things considered.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/topgames/

FF7 being 14th on the GameFAQs top 100 chart is just mind boggling. It's been on the chart for 5410 days; almost 15 years. That's longer than some of this site's users have been alive. Just crazy.

And the only others that come close are VIII and X. And that's moreso because they're younger.
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#490 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/26/2013 3:14:21 PM | message detail
I played Other M in a friend house just to see if it's good...so I wasn't ready for 10 minutes cutscenes that can't be skipped
I beat the first boss and quit...it was fine aside from cutscene and changing to FPS for missiles but I guess its something you get used to?
#491 | XIII_rocks | Posted 7/26/2013 3:18:24 PM | message detail | (edited)
Man I did look at this last night and ponder. I mean I remember ZackFAQs and all but I did think he had probably dropped a bit. And Kefka's lack of strength in these things has always kind of surprised me.

But I still dismissed it. Sheesh.
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#492 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/26/2013 3:17:13 PM | message detail
With Kefka crushing what is he projected to finish at in this match if nothing unusual happens?

Just for kicks, using a constant Zack Kefka is about equal with Dante.
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#493 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/26/2013 3:20:43 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
With Kefka crushing what is he projected to finish at in this match if nothing unusual happens?

Just for kicks, using a constant Zack Kefka is about equal with Dante.


I am alright with this.
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#494 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 7/26/2013 3:23:04 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
Man I did look at this last night and ponder. I mean I remember ZackFAQs and all but I did think he had probably dropped a bit. And Kefka's lack of strength in these things has always kind of surprised me.

But I still dismissed it. Sheesh.


I believe the B8Chat consensus was

"LOL KEFKA"
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#495 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/26/2013 3:59:36 PM | message detail
To end this topic,

Handsome Jack or Viewtiful Joe?

I don't think MvC3 gives Joe enough to win and I don't think Jack will flop.
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#496 | Sorozone | Posted 7/26/2013 4:00:26 PM | message detail
Joe.

Because I like him more.
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#497 | raginbull911 | Posted 7/26/2013 4:03:07 PM | message detail
Joe; I think he has more mainstream name recognition than Jack.
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#498 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/26/2013 4:18:46 PM | message detail
Borderlands 2 is pretty popular
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#499 | TheArkOfTurus | Posted 7/26/2013 4:22:01 PM | message detail
Handsome Jack is a much better character than Claptrap or Tiny Tina, if that means anything to you. I think Jack can potentially challenge Frog, if Borderlands fans enjoy good characters.

Of course, given that Claptrap and Tina were nominated in the first place, that's a pretty big if!
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#500 | DarkFalconX | Posted 7/26/2013 4:22:17 PM | message detail
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