Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1077

#401 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 11:03:45 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
Epona might as well be the Master Sword.


Uh, why? It's a living thing
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#402 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:04:24 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
ZFS posted...
I'd vote Epona over Dark Link all day. Totally different.


Both win because of Link, so how's it different? Dark Link is at least a character that does something, Epona might as well be the Master Sword.


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#403 | nkansas13 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:04:44 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
nkansas13 posted...
The problem with Dark Link is that he objectively isn't a good character,


Really doesn't matter, what are you talking about.

I don't think Shadow Mario is that popular anyway because it's just a regular enemy/obstacle.


Yeah, I know, but we are scraping at the bottom of the barrel for Zelda characters. The problem I have with Dark Link is that he'd be like another Barrett: something like the sixth most important character in a game released in a different millennium but who will receive votes purely based on the brand name. Dark Link is just a generic character that will get votes purely because he has "Link" in the title.
#404 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:05:12 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
xp1337 posted...
I mean, I've always thought I got turned into a bitter, cynical wreck regarding the contest for years now, and yet sometimes I feel like I somehow still enjoy these contests more than a lot of people.


I still enjoy the contests, but there are certainly a lot of elements that have been added over the years that have detracted from my overall enjoyment. I'm all for keeping one more unwanted element out of it!

I think it comes down to how/why you enjoy the contests. I knew my opinion wouldn't be well received here, but I am kind of surprised how hostile the response was. Especially with how it seems like it's being treated like there's only one true way to enjoy it and god help you if you dissent.

I'd be totally okay if we retired Dark Link immediately if everyone's worst fears were confirmed. I just don't think banning out of fear is all that logical. And I like logic and consistency. But in the grand scheme of things, letting Dark Link seems like one of the lesser evils. If you gave me a choice of what we had to do to change the contest rules from the early days out of:

4-ways (or any non-1v1 set-up)
Allow joke characters
Allow Dark Link, etc.

I'd take Dark Link in a heartbeat. Retirement can solve any problems Dark Link causes and at worst we're talking about one contest that was "ruined" and I'd probably laugh at the idea that Dark Link could ruin a contest. I'm not sold that Dark Link could beat Cloud/Snake automatically and so in that sense it's not any different to me than adding in a high-Noble Nine tier character at worst. Not very many people (who are regulars) lament Cloud/Snake being allowed in even though there are very few matchups involving them that are in any doubt. Dark Link isn't any different to me. And if I'm wrong, fine, retire him.

The other changes we've had have done a lot more to make me become disappointed with the contests and they also don't seem like they're going away so the damage is far more lasting IMO.
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#405 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 11:05:13 PM | message detail
vcharon is having good idea after good idea in this topic.
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#406 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 11:07:07 PM | message detail | (edited)
How is Link factored into Epona? You don't make any connection with Dark Link. It's just a shade, a mini boss. Getting Epona is one of the best moments in OoT, one of the best moments in a Zelda game, really. Anyone that played OoT back when it came out has that connection. I mentioned this a few topics ago! Yeah, it's Zelda, so anything will get some votes, but Epona probably tops most Zelda characters, I'd say. Nothing to do with Link, she isn't a Link proxy like Dark Link is.
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#407 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 11:07:22 PM | message detail
By the way, I love how a few hundred IT ALWAYS WINS posts have been spurred by a character that'll probably win one match before trotting home.
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#408 | nkansas13 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:07:39 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I'd vote Epona over Dark Link all day. Totally different.


Agreed. Epona is an actual joke character and therefore funny. Dark Link doesn't even have joke appeal, just Zelda name brand appeal.
#409 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:08:36 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
By the way, I love how a few hundred IT ALWAYS WINS posts have been spurred by a character that'll probably win one match before trotting home.


saving this for when Link's horse makes R4
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#410 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/24/2013 11:09:32 PM | message detail
Seriously. Banning new characters from a popularity contest because they have the possibility to be popular.
#411 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:10:49 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
By the way, I love how a few hundred IT ALWAYS WINS posts have been spurred by a character that'll probably win one match before trotting home.


saving this for when Link's horse makes R4

If unpredictability is the gold standard for contest quality, wouldn't Epona > Snake be a fantastic result?

This is precisely why I think it's more complicated than that!
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#412 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:12:15 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
By the way, I love how a few hundred IT ALWAYS WINS posts have been spurred by a character that'll probably win one match before trotting home.


saving this for when Link's horse makes R4

If unpredictability is the gold standard for contest quality, wouldn't Epona > Snake be a fantastic result?

This is precisely why I think it's more complicated than that!


I know, you're right

The real push we should be having is to do away once and for all that travesty known as the sprite round
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#413 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:12:28 PM | message detail
I've said for years there's more to a contest than unpredictability! If you really want unpredictability, have 10-ways where you have to predict 1st, 4th, and 8th place.

And I don't think people are being as "hostile" as you think. Having a strong opinion is not hostility.
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#414 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:13:58 PM | message detail
I'd call myself actively hostile against the sprite round
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#415 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 11:14:01 PM | message detail
Seriously though I can't believe people are upset about Epona winning this match. How could she lose? Mordin and Niko are so bad
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#416 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:14:21 PM | message detail
Maybe. I can be a poor judge of a conversation's mood. It felt hostile to me, but maybe it wasn't intended as such.
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#417 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/24/2013 11:14:41 PM | message detail
Will be pretty funny if Ike gets SFF'd by a horse.
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#418 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:15:18 PM | message detail
I am also all for eliminating the sprite round.
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#419 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 11:16:37 PM | message detail
If you guys petition Bacon now, he might get rid of the sprite round. He was on the fence about it until Ulti convinced him to do it.
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#420 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:17:13 PM | message detail
MegatokyoEd posted...
Will be pretty funny if Ike gets SFF'd by a horse.

my bracket is counting on it.

Though I always felt GlaDOS was the most likely winner, and that remains unchanged. But it was just too tempting an upset to take.

No regrets.
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#421 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:17:26 PM | message detail
Two words for you people

L
BLOCK

As long as it's in the contest, your complaints are invalid.
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#422 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:17:46 PM | message detail
Epona SFFs Ike to jokefodder levels, allowing her to slip by GlaDOS
Epona gets Link astride her as a sprite against Sprite Snake, beating him out in the last update thanks to a bandwagon and endless "rallies"
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#423 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 11:18:22 PM | message detail
yoblazer dies happy
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#424 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:39 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Seriously though I can't believe people are upset about Epona winning this match. How could she lose? Mordin and Niko are so bad


Truth.
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#425 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:40 PM | message detail
this is epona in the sprite round:

http://i.imgur.com/g2M0CT7.png

pre-rendered and everything.
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#426 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/24/2013 11:20:03 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'd call myself actively hostile against the sprite round


I agree. Snake should be allowed to use his sprite picture in matches outside the sprite round!
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#427 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:20:55 PM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
Two words for you people

L
BLOCK

As long as it's in the contest, your complaints are invalid.


Some people consider L Block a joke but I dont. It is part of the most played video game ever.
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#428 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:21:22 PM | message detail
you are now manually realizing Sprite Snake has never actually lost a match, ever
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#429 | LOLContests | Posted 7/24/2013 11:21:33 PM | message detail
I'm a supporter of earliest in-game appearance round, like we got in 2003 and 2007. To me, this should be the rounds:

R1: Full Body
R2: Closeup
R3: Earliest In-Game Appearance
R4: Most Recent Appearance
R5: Dueling Characters
Final: ???

If we have an extra round like in the 2010 contests you could put in an Xtreme Closeup Round like we got in 2005.

For games I like:

R1: Box Art
R2: Character Art
R3: 4x4 Characters (like that one round in the Series Contest)
R4: Title Screen (How has this not been a round theme in any Game Contest so far?)
R5/R6: ??
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#430 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/24/2013 11:23:18 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
By the way, I love how a few hundred IT ALWAYS WINS posts have been spurred by a character that'll probably win one match before trotting home.


Epona is winning purely because it's from Zelda and no other reason. I realise the same applies for a hell of a lot of characters, including other series, but at least they are by and large actual characters with development (even if they are bad characters or have crappy development).

Everyone expected it to happen. It doesn't make it any less disappointing.

For want of a better example, I'd say the exact same thing if say BlazBlue was insanely popular and Hazama's hat was winning a match. (BlazBlue and Hazama being one of my favourite games/characters.)
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#431 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 11:26:04 PM | message detail
This should be the Snake/Epona sprite round pic:

http://i.imgur.com/1ERKmx4.jpg
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#432 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:26:29 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
you are now manually realizing Sprite Snake has never actually lost a match, ever


It was the only round where Snake beat L-Block, in fact...!
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#433 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:26:51 PM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
This should be the Snake/Epona sprite round pic:

http://i.imgur.com/1ERKmx4.jpg


Put an exclamation point over Epona's head and I'm sold.
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#434 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/24/2013 11:27:21 PM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
Just beg SB for a Link/D.Link bonus poll after y'all rally for Link over Snake if you want to see him in action so badly.


That's totally a bad idea because the regular Link will just SFF Dark Link. If we really want a bonus poll, let's do something like Dark Link against someone like Vincent, plus one other non-Nintendo character and see how he does in the poll. We could actually use our first bonus match at the end of round 1 to set up a bonus match involving Dark Link.
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#435 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 11:28:19 PM | message detail
Unlike most pictures, that actually might give Epona a fighting chance. >_>
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#436 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/24/2013 11:29:34 PM | message detail
Dark Link vs Crono

I can already smell the tears.
#437 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 11:29:59 PM | message detail
#438 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:30:04 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Unlike most pictures, that actually might give Epona a fighting chance. >_>


Well, you'll have to throw Zack/Hayabusa/Altair in there somewhere, too.
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#439 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:30:13 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Unlike most pictures, that actually might give Epona a fighting chance. >_>


do you have have a preference on how you'd like to go
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#440 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 11:31:56 PM | message detail
If Altair was there it would be great to show him sneaking around too
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#441 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 11:33:08 PM | message detail
omg the third guy is gonna be another realistic humanoid character. Oh man, GlaDOS really has to win next round or this is a bit scarier than I realized 20 minutes ago...

Imagine it, Kirby beating Sephiroth and Epona beating Snake in back-to-back matches.
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#442 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:34:05 PM | message detail
Kirby beating Sephiroth has a better chance of happening than Epona beating Snake.
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#443 | -hotdogturtle-- | Posted 7/24/2013 11:37:59 PM | message detail
Omg for a bonus match can we please have Cloud vs. Link vs. http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/599.shtml ?
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#444 | XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2013 11:38:17 PM | message detail
Oh, how ridiculous. This is just one more reason the LAW has to break this year.
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#445 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/24/2013 11:41:40 PM | message detail
ZinsanityCraze posted...
Let's get Dark Link, Dark Samus and Shadow Mario into the bracket, hoooooooo-ray!


Or we can just do a bonus match involving all 3 characters. Though we wouldn't get an accurate read on Dark Link unless he was put up against an existing character in the bracket.
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#446 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/24/2013 11:42:51 PM | message detail
Dark Link vs The Great Gonzales in a bonus match.
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#447 | LOLContests | Posted 7/24/2013 11:47:55 PM | message detail
The bonus match after R1 has to be Chester Vs. Tanner Vs. Jay Solano. Let's not lose sight of this.
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#448 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 7/24/2013 11:50:28 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Kirby beating Sephiroth has a better chance of happening than Epona beating Snake.


Not according to the Guru!
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#449 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/24/2013 11:53:31 PM | message detail
LOLContests posted...
The bonus match after R1 has to be Chester Vs. Tanner Vs. Jay Solano. Let's not lose sight of this.


The vote totals would also be very terrible. CATS/Ness/Locke didn't even break 28000 votes, so that match might not even break 20000 votes. The bonus matches at the end of Round 1 and 2 will be day matches.
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#450 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/24/2013 11:57:46 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
LOLContests posted...
The bonus match after R1 has to be Chester Vs. Tanner Vs. Jay Solano. Let's not lose sight of this.


The vote totals would also be very terrible. CATS/Ness/Locke didn't even break 28000 votes, so that match might not even break 20000 votes. The bonus matches at the end of Round 1 and 2 will be day matches.


If we do that bonus match, the poll should be set up so the votals stay at 0 for the entire 12 hours.
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