Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1077

#351 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:30:57 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
Yeah, well, I have to say that as a person whose favorite character in this contest is Tidus, I don't want him losing to some joke glitch. But people don't seem especially offended by Missingno. despite the fact he beat Crono and nearly beat Sephiroth. This took place directly after L-Block and people were looking for a way to conjure up that strength once again. I'm not sure I see the difference of conjuring up Link's strength with Dark Link.

Honestly my reaction of Dark Link doing well would be one of joy, since it seems to strike fear into the hearts of people that don't have any problem with all the joke characters in this. I mean I've gotten over that, but everyone is in fear of Dark Link if he's allowed in because it will "ruin the contest". Sounds familiar... sounds like what a lot of people were saying about L-Block. It's just hypocrisy.


I'd like to see Missingno and L Block thrown out of the contest.

But it's not the same as Dark Link. To argue otherwise is foolish and shortsighted.
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#352 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 10:32:30 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
But people don't seem especially offended by Missingno. despite the fact he beat Crono and nearly beat Sephiroth.


Oh, I hate Missingno and I'm not pleased at all with the prospect of him beating my two favorite characters in consecutive rounds.

I don't like joke characters being in this at all, but like I said, they're not going away, so I'll live with the little victories.
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#353 | vcharon | Posted 7/24/2013 10:33:44 PM | message detail
I just think you guys are way too scared of Dark Link. I'm curious to see what he could do, but I personally don't think he could be anything more than a high midcarder or a near elite. Maybe that's too strong for some people's liking, but it's no stronger than Missingno. last time.
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#354 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:34:44 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I just don't understand why we keep having only one Link when every single Link is a completely different character, we need consistency!

I propose we split the Links

Link (Ocarina of Time)
Link (Link to the Past)
Link (Wind Waker)
Link (Twilight Princess)

And, of course, their respective Dark Link counterparts whenever possible.

You can never go wrong with more Links!

Oh, fine. I'll be serious for once and immediately regret it.

With the exception of GotD and 2010 these contests have already been ruined for me. 2007 and the format changes it brought and has largely managed to keep have killed my enjoyment of contests. So, honestly? I'd embrace that Link proposal because I'd at least find it hilarious to watch the board's reaction. And maybe then we'd finally go back to the old contest rules and formats. Probably not though.

Is that pretty petty? Absolutely. But I feel like this mockery is pretty petty too!
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#355 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 10:35:45 PM | message detail
There's really no upside to Dark Link. If he flops, then he's gone forever and there was no point in getting him in. If he's a Noble Nine killer, he's here to stay and now we have two Links wrecking things.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with morbid curiosity, but I don't possess it in this case.
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#356 | Omniscientless | Posted 7/24/2013 10:36:09 PM | message detail
what if we get dark link into the contest and then pit him against link in the first round

The SFF beatdown would be glorious.
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#357 | tgs2 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:36:27 PM | message detail
Just beg SB for a Link/D.Link bonus poll after y'all rally for Link over Snake if you want to see him in action so badly.
#358 | hylianknight3 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:07 PM | message detail
I think it would be worth asking about Link the Goron.

Although Dark Link is pretty distinctly a separate character, I understand the ruling (though I don't necessarily agree with it). There's a strong chance he wouldn't be that much weaker than Link (probably Noble Nine level or thereabouts), and given Link's massive strength, Allen may not want (literally) another Link running around. Dark Link is exactly what it says on the tin: a dark version of Link.

Link the Goron is pretty clearly not Link. There's no way he could be considered an alternate version of the same character, and he's not going to look anything like him. He could do decent just because he's a Goron, and the name "Link" will only help him, but I don't imagine him obliterating any brackets (unless there is, for some reason, some massive rallying). It's not even clear that he would be better than, say, Darunia, the most important OoT Goron story-wise.

But more to the point, I just don't think the rationale for banning Dark Link really applies to Link the Goron.
#359 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:14 PM | message detail
Let's get Dark Link, Dark Samus and Shadow Mario into the bracket, hoooooooo-ray!




Guys, please stop being stupid already.
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#360 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:14 PM | message detail
Link/Dark Link wouldn't be interesting though. The SFF would obscure any information!
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#361 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:18 PM | message detail
That would just be a waste. At least wait until Round 2 to pair them up so we can see a bit of Dark Link in action in a normal match.
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#362 | The Real Truth | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:22 PM | message detail
Time to nominate Dark Link

and Dark Samus
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#363 | Sorozone | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:24 PM | message detail
Two Links annihilating every one in their way is glorious.
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#364 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:37:42 PM | message detail
If Dark Link was to enter a contest and run through everyone not named Link, I wouldn't participate in another contest. It's already bad enough that LInk always wins. Why would you guys want a Link vs Dark Link final? I've never played a single Zelda game and only played with Link in SSB. I dont what he does in his games, but he got all you guys thirsty for him.

For this current match, this is a f****** horse! I should of nominated Lu Bu's Red Hare. At least that looks badass.
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#365 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:39:40 PM | message detail
vcharon posted...
I just think you guys are way too scared of Dark Link. I'm curious to see what he could do, but I personally don't think he could be anything more than a high midcarder or a near elite. Maybe that's too strong for some people's liking, but it's no stronger than Missingno. last time.


It's not just that. It's that Dark Link represents absolutely nothing outside of 'Link'. Nobody cares about Dark LInk except insofar as he is a palette swap of Link. L Block is at least emblematic of Tetris, not to mention the humor aspect of an inanimate object winning matches. Missingno is a fondly remembered glitch and symbolic of R/B/Y.

Dark Link... is nothing. Nothing at all. He's just 'another way to get Link in the contest'. That's why people push for him and not Dark Samus. That's the only reason. If Dark Link was like Mega Man X or Big Boss - effectively posing as a stand-ins for their precursors, but actual distinct characters nevertheless - it would be different. Until he gets his own games where he sets himself apart from Link, that's where I'll stand.
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#366 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:40:26 PM | message detail
Link vs Dark Link vs Snake
somehow the two links split relatively evenly, allowing Snake to win by over 10%
(I can dream, ok)
#367 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/24/2013 10:41:52 PM | message detail
lightsout06 posted...
If Dark Link was to enter a contest and run through everyone not named Link, I wouldn't participate in another contest. It's already bad enough that LInk always wins. Why would you guys want a Link vs Dark Link final? I've never played a single Zelda game and only played with Link in SSB. I dont what he does in his games, but he got all you guys thirsty for him.

For this current match, this is a f****** horse! I should of nominated Lu Bu's Red Hare. At least that looks badass.


This is pretty similar to my feelings too.

Even though I knew it would happen, Epona's performance today leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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#368 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 10:42:11 PM | message detail
Anyway, here's the chart for the day match:

Time | Ike | Proto | EggRobo | Votes
0:05 | 37.98% | 31.77% | 30.25% | 724
1:00 | 36.57% | 33.09% | 30.34% | 4723
2:00 | 36.18% | 32.94% | 30.88% | 3607
3:00 | 35.49% | 33.84% | 30.67% | 3091
4:00 | 35.57% | 34.16% | 30.26% | 2766
5:00 | 36.62% | 34.29% | 29.08% | 2706
6:00 | 35.76% | 34.04% | 30.20% | 2556
7:00 | 35.08% | 37.11% | 27.81% | 2258
8:00 | 36.40% | 35.87% | 27.72% | 2074
9:00 | 34.65% | 37.51% | 27.84% | 1922
10:00 | 35.97% | 38.11% | 25.91% | 1729
11:00 | 34.11% | 41.64% | 24.24% | 1753
12:00 | 35.73% | 38.85% | 25.42% | 1601

Ike was actually pretty consistent in this match. Most of Protoman's surge in the second half of the match came at Robotnik's expense, who really died off after Europe went to bed, which undoubtedly helped Protoman in return. Even though he didn't win, I suppose he can take solace in having the single best hour of the match.

X-Stats:

Ike – 50.00%
Protoman – 49.61%
Dr. Robotnik – 44.69%

Ike's prediction percentage was 42.42%
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#369 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/24/2013 10:42:24 PM | message detail
hylianknight3 posted...
I think it would be worth asking about Link the Goron.

Although Dark Link is pretty distinctly a separate character, I understand the ruling (though I don't necessarily agree with it). There's a strong chance he wouldn't be that much weaker than Link (probably Noble Nine level or thereabouts), and given Link's massive strength, Allen may not want (literally) another Link running around. Dark Link is exactly what it says on the tin: a dark version of Link.

Link the Goron is pretty clearly not Link. There's no way he could be considered an alternate version of the same character, and he's not going to look anything like him. He could do decent just because he's a Goron, and the name "Link" will only help him, but I don't imagine him obliterating any brackets (unless there is, for some reason, some massive rallying). It's not even clear that he would be better than, say, Darunia, the most important OoT Goron story-wise.

But more to the point, I just don't think the rationale for banning Dark Link really applies to Link the Goron.


We might get a reverse Sprite Snake effect here. Instead of "that's not Snake because the picture is wrong" we get "the picture is wrong but that must be Link". The real truth of the matter doesn't matter since the voter doesn't know the truth. Link the Goron may end up at Pikachu level or something like that. Maybe higher if people think that it really is Link in Goron form. However, this may not work since a large part of the site has played OoT and MM and may remember that Link the Goron is not Link.
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#370 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/24/2013 10:43:04 PM | message detail
rofl all the people terrified of Dark Link.

I think it would be interesting to see how strong he could be. He's one of the few characters left that has potential yet he's not allowed in....

I dont understand the point of these contests if potential newcomers are denied entry because they have a chance to be "too strong"

If everyone is that worried about him running over everything other than Link then put him on the opposite side of Link's division. We get a good read of how strong he is and he doesn't upset all the babies who cant take him beating their favourite character.

But whatever we can always have another 15 random Final Fantasy characters and nothing meaningful from Zelda.
#371 | tgs2 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:43:11 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
Link/Dark Link wouldn't be interesting though. The SFF would obscure any information!


CD-i/Toon Link were able to still put up raw low midcarder numbers before you would boost them up because of the massive SFF. Dark Link would crush any not OoT Link..
#372 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:44:41 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
rofl all the people terrified of Dark Link.

I think it would be interesting to see how strong he could be. He's one of the few characters left that has potential yet he's not allowed in....

I dont understand the point of these contests if potential newcomers are denied entry because they have a chance to be "too strong"

If everyone is that worried about him running over everything other than Link then put him on the opposite side of Link's division. We get a good read of how strong he is and he doesn't upset all the babies who cant take him beating their favourite character.

But whatever we can always have another 15 random Final Fantasy characters and nothing meaningful from Zelda.


there is a horse literally winning this match
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#373 | scaryice | Posted 7/24/2013 10:44:51 PM | message detail
I already hate the fact that the contest includes inanimate objects and glitches - they're not characters and don't belong here. Joke characters like Dark Link make these contests less interesting to follow.
#374 | SonicRaptor | Posted 7/24/2013 10:45:52 PM | message detail
I am truly shocked at how badly GTA has dropped since SA's release. Looks like my little theory of GTA5 giving everyone a boost was completely false. The Internet has been going nuts for that game as of late, now that the release date is imminent, and it looks like nothing has translated into this contest.

It's amazing how Tommy Vercetti went from a reliable midcarder to fodder. If we ever have another games contest (which I hope, they happen so infrequently so much can change and are always exciting as a result) I wonder how exactly all the GTAs will do.
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#375 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 10:46:18 PM | message detail
Dark Link could easily just be a midcarder or something.

There's no way to tell I guess, but I wouldn't regret him being in the contest unless he did turn out to be the new #2.
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#376 | scaryice | Posted 7/24/2013 10:47:38 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
But whatever we can always have another 15 random Final Fantasy characters and nothing meaningful from Zelda.


Link
Zelda
Ganon
Epona
Midna
Groose
Tingle

7 isn't enough for you? There's too much Zelda already (and FF/Pokemon too). Some of it's because of the larger field, but still...
#377 | scaryice | Posted 7/24/2013 10:48:26 PM | message detail
SonicRaptor posted...
It's amazing how Tommy Vercetti went from a reliable midcarder to fodder. If we ever have another games contest (which I hope, they happen so infrequently so much can change and are always exciting as a result) I wonder how exactly all the GTAs will do.


Vice City is the strongest GTA, no doubt.
#378 | SonicRaptor | Posted 7/24/2013 10:52:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
scaryice posted...
SonicRaptor posted...
It's amazing how Tommy Vercetti went from a reliable midcarder to fodder. If we ever have another games contest (which I hope, they happen so infrequently so much can change and are always exciting as a result) I wonder how exactly all the GTAs will do.


Vice City is the strongest GTA, no doubt.


Which is strange, because SA is the one that gets all the nostalgia.

Edit: I guess GTA's drop can be partially blamed on how infrequent titles in the series were released and how a generation basically grew up without them. GTA3, VC and SA hit in 01, 02 and 04 respectively and it wasn't until 08 another hit and now GTA5 is getting released at a time where it might as freaking well be next-gen. I'm not saying the series should be annualized or anything but having a series where 4-5 years pass in between instalments is almost asking for gamers to find other series to cling onto.
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#379 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:50:25 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
rofl all the people terrified of Dark Link.

I think it would be interesting to see how strong he could be. He's one of the few characters left that has potential yet he's not allowed in....

I dont understand the point of these contests if potential newcomers are denied entry because they have a chance to be "too strong"

If everyone is that worried about him running over everything other than Link then put him on the opposite side of Link's division. We get a good read of how strong he is and he doesn't upset all the babies who cant take him beating their favourite character.

But whatever we can always have another 15 random Final Fantasy characters and nothing meaningful from Zelda.


The only people the Link fanboys would enjoy the contest. Once Link, Dark Link, and his f****** horse runs away with the contest nobody outside of Link fanboys will participate in the next one.
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#380 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:51:49 PM | message detail
scaryice posted...
I already hate the fact that the contest includes inanimate objects and glitches - they're not characters and don't belong here.


Which is why I am becoming shocked that people are butthurt that Epona is winning.

Shadowfax is my favorite damn character in Lord of the Rings. What is wrong with people liking horses from works of fiction?
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#381 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 10:51:57 PM | message detail
Haha. Awesome match, great show from Epona.
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#382 | xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:53:32 PM | message detail
...I'm honestly puzzled at how many people would abandon the contest entirely if something like that happened.

I mean, I've always thought I got turned into a bitter, cynical wreck regarding the contest for years now, and yet sometimes I feel like I somehow still enjoy these contests more than a lot of people.
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#383 | LOLContests | Posted 7/24/2013 10:53:36 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
And then if you let Dark Link in, you just have to let in Dark Samus.

Where does this terrible scenario end


I know this is just a joke, but since Dark Samus has come up before (most notably before the Villains Contest), I should point out that Dark Samus is not eligible as she is *METROID PRIME 2 SPOILERS* just the Metroid Prime. If Sheik isn't eligible, I don't see why Dark Samus would be.
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#384 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 10:55:59 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
I mean, I've always thought I got turned into a bitter, cynical wreck regarding the contest for years now, and yet sometimes I feel like I somehow still enjoy these contests more than a lot of people.


I still enjoy the contests, but there are certainly a lot of elements that have been added over the years that have detracted from my overall enjoyment. I'm all for keeping one more unwanted element out of it!
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#385 | nkansas13 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:56:51 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Dark Link could easily just be a midcarder or something.

There's no way to tell I guess, but I wouldn't regret him being in the contest unless he did turn out to be the new #2.


The problem with Dark Link is that he objectively isn't a good character, but he'd be ridiculously strong anyway. As far as I can tell, he's not that huge in the Zelda series, and we have plenty of Zelda characters anyway. It'd be like having Shadow Mario in the competition.
Besides, this contest generally discourages clones.
#386 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 10:57:57 PM | message detail
Uh Sheik is eligible because Zelda is in the contest
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#387 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:58:31 PM | message detail
Just curious
What has been added to the contest that wasn't before? Ive only been around since 2008. I think Best game Ever was the first contest i participated in.
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#388 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 10:58:35 PM | message detail
Dark Link would be pretty dumb. I don't see the appeal in that at all.
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#389 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 10:59:09 PM | message detail
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT NEW CHARACTERS I HAVE A LIST FOR THAT

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/New_Characters
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#390 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 10:59:12 PM | message detail
nkansas13 posted...
The problem with Dark Link is that he objectively isn't a good character,


Really doesn't matter, what are you talking about.

I don't think Shadow Mario is that popular anyway because it's just a regular enemy/obstacle.
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#391 | vcharon | Posted 7/24/2013 10:59:34 PM | message detail
How many of you against Dark Link just voted for Link's Horse.

Because, really.
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#392 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/24/2013 11:01:14 PM | message detail
The Owner of FF9 posted...
scaryice posted...
I already hate the fact that the contest includes inanimate objects and glitches - they're not characters and don't belong here.


Which is why I am becoming shocked that people are butthurt that Epona is winning.

Shadowfax is my favorite damn character in Lord of the Rings. What is wrong with people liking horses from works of fiction?


Nothing, that's just indicative of the fact that LotR is so bad you can't like its main characters over a horse!
#393 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 11:01:23 PM | message detail
I'd vote Epona over Dark Link all day. Totally different.
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#394 | SonicRaptor | Posted 7/24/2013 11:01:53 PM | message detail
xp1337 posted...
...I'm honestly puzzled at how many people would abandon the contest entirely if something like that happened.

I mean, I've always thought I got turned into a bitter, cynical wreck regarding the contest for years now, and yet sometimes I feel like I somehow still enjoy these contests more than a lot of people.


It's gotten to the point where there are only the following things to look forward to

1. How new characters from new games would fare
2. How untested FF7 character performs
3. Whose the joke character that will put L-Block to shame
4. Who is the Tanner this year
5. Will someone new enter the N9?
6. If a drop will continue for a character/series
6. Typical midcarder battles we haven't seen before and how they will swing

It really sucks because Link is pretty much unbeatable now and it's really everything before the inevitable that's the draw.
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#395 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:02:16 PM | message detail
Shadow Mario is eligible. You can nominate him as Bowser Jr. if you have that terrible of taste.
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#396 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 11:02:23 PM | message detail
Where's the topic for that Zen? I see some glaring holes
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#397 | vcharon | Posted 7/24/2013 11:02:32 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
I'd vote Epona over Dark Link all day. Totally different.


Both win because of Link, so how's it different? Dark Link is at least a character that does something, Epona might as well be the Master Sword.
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#398 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:02:55 PM | message detail
And honestly, I don't have a big issue with Epona being in the contest. She's less offensive than the normal joke character.
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#399 | pjbasis | Posted 7/24/2013 11:03:08 PM | message detail
I thought they were just referring to the Shadow Marios in the Galaxy levels and stuff.

XD Bowser Jr
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#400 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 11:03:24 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Where's the topic for that Zen? I see some glaring holes


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66807070
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