Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1077

#1 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/24/2013 8:40:03 PM | message detail
Watch Ike beat Epona anyway.



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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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~*Character Contest Histories*~
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~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

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~*Leonhart4's Trend Charts*~
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~*Daily Vote Trends - An Explanation for Dummies*~
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~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | spooky96 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:52:37 PM | message detail
popping this topic up
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And then lost 7 matches in a row >_>
#3 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 7/24/2013 8:52:42 PM | message detail
Does that make Suicide the main character of TNA?
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#4 | LinkLegend27 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:52:54 PM | message detail
EPONAfear
#5 | Achromatic | Posted 7/24/2013 8:53:26 PM | message detail | (edited)
KamikazePotato posted...
Calm down.


I'm perfectly calm but if you want to accuse me of being purposefully annoying for some weird reason when I am just thinking about past contests and discussing something (because part of the fun of these is to wonder about weird things like which side characters are stronger than their mains) then I can for sure start to be purposefully annoying. Don't accuse people of things they aren't doing, I am very capable of showing you the difference.
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#6 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 8:53:25 PM | message detail
Raiden is arguably the new MC.

No, he's not. Even in MK9's story mode, Liu Kang was always presented as THE GUY

And you don't want Raiden as your new main character after the "great" job he did in MK9.
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#7 | LordoftheMorons | Posted 7/24/2013 8:53:30 PM | message detail
Re: "zelda fans won't vote for a horse"

All of the nintendo fans that don't recognize Mordin or Niko are going to vote for Epona
That's definitely enough to win here
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#8 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 8:53:47 PM | message detail
Jakyl25Posted 7/24/2013 11:51:17 PMmessage detailquote

ChenKenichiFan posted...


Hell, Sub-Zero got his own platformer on the N64. That was kind of a big deal back then because no fighting game character had ever expanded to his own game in a different genre.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Street_Fighter_2010_box.jpg/256px-Street_Fighter_2010_box.jpg


Didn't Cammy have her own schmup spinoff?
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#9 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/24/2013 8:53:49 PM | message detail
Seven minutes. Seven minutes until only one guru is left at the top. Blairville should get in here, I wanna shake his hand before this gets going.
#10 | abdou | Posted 7/24/2013 8:53:50 PM | message detail
Epona time
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#11 | Jakyl25 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:01 PM | message detail
ExThaNemesis posted...
Does that make Suicide the main character of TNA?


They changed his name :-(
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#12 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:15 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jakyl25Posted 7/24/2013 11:51:17 PMmessage detailquote

ChenKenichiFan posted...


Hell, Sub-Zero got his own platformer on the N64. That was kind of a big deal back then because no fighting game character had ever expanded to his own game in a different genre.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Street_Fighter_2010_box.jpg/256px-Street_Fighter_2010_box.jpg


Didn't Cammy have her own schmup spinoff?


Jax got his own game too
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#13 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:19 PM | message detail
...IT'S A HORSE!

Seriously. I mean, she might be able to win this match anyway because the opposition is Mordin Solus and Niko Bellic--I'm starting to think she will--but all of this talk of Epona being strong is silly.
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#14 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:31 PM | message detail
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3avXA-S4NrU

This means so much to me. ='(

SIX MINUTES
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#15 | jacko_vdz | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:39 PM | message detail
Time to eats some oats.
#16 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:42 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Raiden is arguably the new MC.

No, he's not. Even in MK9's story mode, Liu Kang was always presented as THE GUY

And you don't want Raiden as your new main character after the "great" job he did in MK9.


Liu Kang is kind of not in a position to MC it up in MK9 though, unless I'm forgetting something. So, de facto, Raiden is the protagonist of that storyline.
#17 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 8:54:50 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Jakyl25Posted 7/24/2013 11:51:17 PMmessage detailquote

ChenKenichiFan posted...


Hell, Sub-Zero got his own platformer on the N64. That was kind of a big deal back then because no fighting game character had ever expanded to his own game in a different genre.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d3/Street_Fighter_2010_box.jpg/256px-Street_Fighter_2010_box.jpg


Didn't Cammy have her own schmup spinoff?


http://www.giantbomb.com/cannon-spike/3030-3472/
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#18 | spooky96 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:55:21 PM | message detail
I have Epona beating GlaDOS.

LOLOLOLOL.
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#19 | The Real Truth | Posted 7/24/2013 8:55:22 PM | message detail
LordoftheMorons posted...
Re: "zelda fans won't vote for a horse"

All of the nintendo fans that don't recognize Mordin or Niko are going to vote for Epona
That's definitely enough to win here


I'm pretty sure everyone voting in this contest knows who Niko is. People probably just don't care about him.
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#20 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 8:55:50 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Liu Kang is kind of not in a position to MC it up in MK9 though, unless I'm forgetting something. So, de facto, Raiden is the protagonist of that storyline.


Raiden is more of a facilitator in MK9's storyline.

The worst facilitator in the history of fiction, at that.
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#21 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 8:55:58 PM | message detail
The Real Truth posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Re: "zelda fans won't vote for a horse"

All of the nintendo fans that don't recognize Mordin or Niko are going to vote for Epona
That's definitely enough to win here


I'm pretty sure everyone voting in this contest knows who Niko is. People probably just don't care about him.


It is known
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#22 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:01 PM | message detail
While you had one or two decent example, most of your examples were set up as to 'win the argument' rather than to 'further the discussion'. Bringing up Pokemon, for example, was completely ridiculous in the context of discussing main character vs. side character in a traditional JRPG. So yeah, that was pretty annoying, whether or not you did it intentionally.
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#23 | Lopen | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:12 PM | message detail
Liu Kang had Shaolin Monks so even the HE GOT A SPINOFF argument doesn't really hold water
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#24 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:22 PM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
I have Epona beating GlaDOS.

LOLOLOLOL.


Errrrr same here
#25 | ExThaNemesis | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:30 PM | message detail
You doubters are in for it here in a few minutes.

I mean, I know how it feels to bet against Zelda. I have been burned by it many times. So I mean I feel for you, the same way you probably will feel for me later on when Link is godsmacking Snake in spite of Mario.
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#26 | SnoicFactor | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:34 PM | message detail
epwna gonna hit 65%
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#27 | Blairville | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:38 PM | message detail
I'm probably no picking Altair vs Ratchet. No longer confident in Altair.

But, it's worth mentioning that Altair was very prominent in Revelations. I doubt the voters care much about Revelations, however.
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#28 | Kibago | Posted 7/24/2013 8:56:58 PM | message detail
HORSEFEAR time
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#29 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:22 PM | message detail
#30 | Blairville | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:28 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Seven minutes. Seven minutes until only one guru is left at the top. Blairville should get in here, I wanna shake his hand before this gets going.


Wait, really!? Oh, thank Draven!
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#31 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:33 PM | message detail
Ezio has completely replaced Altair as the series main. I think Ubisoft held a facebook poll and Ezio got like 75% of the vote in a 'favorite main character' thing. Still beat Connor in it, though.
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#32 | JJH777 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:34 PM | message detail
What percent should Shulk need to be below to be considered weaker than Dunban?
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#33 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:43 PM | message detail
HORSEYFEAR

Sounds like a Pokemon
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#34 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:49 PM | message detail
I still remember the moment that it hit me in Twilight Princess. I quickly transformed into a wolf and talked to Epona. She spoke back.

Yet... there were no words. =')
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#35 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/24/2013 8:57:52 PM | message detail
The board vote should be crazy good for Epona, just to remember. Garrus gained 8% against freaking Sub Zero... Mordin will probably gain 10% from the freeze.
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#36 | Fr0zoN | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:00 PM | message detail
Hopefully Epona has some strength but then again.... it's a horse =/
#37 | WellThoughtName | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:06 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Ezio has completely replaced Altair as the series main. I think Ubisoft held a facebook poll and Ezio got like 75% of the vote in a 'favorite main character' thing. Still beat Connor in it, though.


Not surprising considering how bad Connor was.
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#38 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:11 PM | message detail
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#39 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:25 PM | message detail
JJH777 posted...
What percent should Shulk need to be below to be considered weaker than Dunban?


who cares they all suck
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#40 | Achromatic | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:26 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
While you had one or two decent example, most of your examples were set up as to 'win the argument' rather than to 'further the discussion'. Bringing up Pokemon, for example, was completely ridiculous in the context of discussing main character vs. side character in a traditional JRPG. So yeah, that was pretty annoying, whether or not you did it intentionally.


KP, I didn't post a big list of examples, Lopen did.

I just mentioned Vivi, Charizard (I am confused by your clear annoyance by this, Charizard to me is for sure "fan favorite" status I didn't realize we were trying to adhere to some strict definition here) and Big Daddy because I remembered Big Daddy was oddly strong.
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#41 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:26 PM | message detail
JJH777 posted...
What percent should Shulk need to be below to be considered weaker than Dunban?


We'll likely never get a good read on Dunban due to the poll he was in, so hard to say.
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#42 | WellThoughtName | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:29 PM | message detail
Fr0zoN posted...
Hopefully Epona has some strength but then again.... it's a horse =/


It's Link's horse.

That important!
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#43 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:37 PM | message detail
Blairville posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Seven minutes. Seven minutes until only one guru is left at the top. Blairville should get in here, I wanna shake his hand before this gets going.


Wait, really!? Oh, thank Draven!


Yup. We're just the last two gurus left. And since I picked Mordin, one of us is going down in three minutes. Let's make this a good one!
#44 | Jakyl25 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:58:54 PM | message detail
Time for Epona doubters to put their foot-in-mouth!
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#45 | -Tofa7- | Posted 7/24/2013 8:59:03 PM | message detail
Epona with Link performance incoming.
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#46 | WellThoughtName | Posted 7/24/2013 8:59:40 PM | message detail | (edited)
And to add to that, I wouldn't be surprised if Wander was weaker than Agro.

Sure Agro is a horse, but feels and all.
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#47 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 8:59:17 PM | message detail
Let the whining commence
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#48 | SnoicFactor | Posted 7/24/2013 8:59:30 PM | message detail
My body is ready
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#49 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/24/2013 8:59:35 PM | message detail
I'm all for the stats topic having dumb arguments and laughing about it like chums later but "main character" crap seriously needs to go away. It's the dumbest recurring argument gamers have.

Who gives a s*** who the main character of anything is? If someone wants to think a time-traveling monkey is the main character of Great Expectations, they can knock themselves the hell out. I could not care less.
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#50 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 9:00:05 PM | message detail
This should be fun
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