Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1076

#1 | Denzokuken | Posted 7/24/2013 12:19:36 PM | message detail
Shaped like a horse... yeah you know the rest.
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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 12:21:04 PM | message detail
Ike may not even win this match...
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#3 | Zylothewolf | Posted 7/24/2013 12:22:36 PM | message detail
Protoman > Robotnik > Ike.

Seriously Ike is only 600 votes away from getting last against two characters who are 20 years after their prime.
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#4 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:23:20 PM | message detail
If I had to lay odds even if he can't complete the comeback I'd guess Protoman is naturally stronger than Ike. Robotnik... I don't like saying is stronger than anybody so I'll take a pass on that for now.
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#5 | homsar555 | Posted 7/24/2013 12:23:35 PM | message detail
That last update was almost a 3-way tie.
#6 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 12:24:40 PM | message detail
It feels as though Protoman is stronger the laster in the day it gets even though he's be stuck around 33.33%.
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#7 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:27:36 PM | message detail
#8 | superange128 | Posted 7/24/2013 12:28:56 PM | message detail
Man the "mostly relevant through Smash" characters aren't doing so well
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#9 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/24/2013 12:29:32 PM | message detail
The maps pretty interesting for this match.

You've got Ike winning the U.S., Canada and Australia. Then Protoman is winning Mexico and most of South America. And then Robotnik is killing it in Europe.
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#10 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 12:29:48 PM | message detail
Captain Falcon just almost beat Alucard.
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#11 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:30:32 PM | message detail
superange128 posted...
Man the "mostly relevant through Smash" characters aren't doing so well


More like "Fire Emblem characters aren't doing so well."

That's about the extent of it.

And it shouldn't surprise anyone.
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#12 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:30:48 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Captain Falcon just almost beat Alucard.


I'd, uh, wait to see how Alucard goes out before making too much out of whatever that might be worth.
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#13 | homsar555 | Posted 7/24/2013 12:31:41 PM | message detail
Come to think of it, with match winners only getting around 13,000 votes, couldn't there be a non-negligible chance of some match ending in a tie? Is there an official method of breaking ties?
#14 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:32:18 PM | message detail
The match just continues until the tie is broken (which would only take an extra few seconds, at best.
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#15 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 12:33:02 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Captain Falcon just almost beat Alucard.


I'd, uh, wait to see how Alucard goes out before making too much out of whatever that might be worth.


That match lined up with previous results 100%. Either they're all weaker or none of them are.
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#16 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/24/2013 12:33:08 PM | message detail
Olimar, Falcon and Ness looked good.

Jigglypuff, Marth and Ike have looked bad.

Jigglypuff probably sucks regardless though, so it does seem to be more of a FE thing.
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#17 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:34:48 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Captain Falcon just almost beat Alucard.


I'd, uh, wait to see how Alucard goes out before making too much out of whatever that might be worth.


That match lined up with previous results 100%. Either they're all weaker or none of them are.


No way Alucard and Captain Falcon could have both overperformed against Link and Cloud?

You know, Tidus/Shadow lined up with previous results 100% too. Sometimes it happens. But if Snake goes Link-crazy on Alucard I won't exactly bat an eye.
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#18 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 12:36:40 PM | message detail
Everyone 'overperformed' on Link and Cloud. Because Link and Cloud were weaker.
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#19 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:39:00 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Everyone 'overperformed' on Link and Cloud. Because Link and Cloud were weaker.


Maybe. Looking at Thrall, I'm not so sure that's the full extent. Anti-votes certainly count for far more when you're dealing with weaker characters.
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#20 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/24/2013 12:39:58 PM | message detail
That was the first update this match in which the winning character doubled the third-place character, I believe.
#21 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/24/2013 12:40:41 PM | message detail
The last topic had people discussing Mega Man/Samus/Mario as like Mega Man advancing the match with Zero LFFing him (we know how strong it's going to be) against Charizard...so..am I wrong for having Charizard winning that match?
#22 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:41:11 PM | message detail
Yeah, that last update was weird. Ike spiked and Robotnik fell off big time.
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#23 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 12:41:32 PM | message detail
Thrall was definitely stronger 3 years ago. He had decent results up to that point. War has changed, Karma.
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#24 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:42:17 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
The last topic had people discussing Mega Man/Samus/Mario as like Mega Man advancing the match with Zero LFFing him (we know how strong it's going to be) against Charizard...so..am I wrong for having Charizard winning that match?


Mega Man should be stronger, but... he lost to Cube the last time he had Zero in a match with him.

so uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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#25 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:43:42 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Thrall was definitely stronger 3 years ago. He had decent results up to that point. War has changed, Karma.


You can't make a blanket assertion that Thrall is weaker since last contest and not allow for the possibility of that with Alucard & Falcon!

Well, you can, but I'll complain in a really annoying way about it.
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#26 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 12:44:02 PM | message detail
Mega Man sucked in 4-ways. Same as Sonic. He kicked ass in 2010 so he should be fine this year. Should.
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#27 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:44:23 PM | message detail
Everyone is weaker since the last contest except for Commander Shepard and Ezio.

Everyone.
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#28 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 12:46:38 PM | message detail
I haven't changed a damn bit!
#29 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 12:47:12 PM | message detail
Protoman is the master of 33.33% I swear!
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#30 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:47:15 PM | message detail
My instinct is that three-ways aren't radically different from four-ways (at least in any way we can effectively predict), but more importantly, that Charizard is far more of a force to be reckoned with than Cube was then anyway.

I'd love to see Pokeymanz put in their place and lose despite having every SFF advantage imaginable, but I can't conceive it.
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#31 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 12:47:18 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Everyone is weaker since the last contest except for Commander Shepard and Ezio.

Everyone.


Are you sure? I'd take 40% on Pikachu over failing to double Olimar...!
#32 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:48:12 PM | message detail
That was FemShep! It doesn't count!
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#33 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 12:48:17 PM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Everyone is weaker since the last contest except for Commander Shepard and Ezio.

Everyone.


Are you sure? I'd take 40% on Pikachu over failing to double Olimar...!


He said everyone.
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#34 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 12:49:07 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Everyone is weaker since the last contest except for Commander Shepard and Ezio.

Everyone.


Are you sure? I'd take 40% on Pikachu over failing to double Olimar...!


He said everyone.


Everyone except
#35 | pyresword | Posted 7/24/2013 12:49:38 PM | message detail
Pretty sure this is one of the most boring close-ish matches I've ever seen. maybe I've just gotten unlucky, but on the updates I've seen I don't think any percent has even shifted by more then like .25%. It's just been 36-33-30 the entire time.
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#36 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:51:15 PM | message detail
pyresword posted...
Pretty sure this is one of the most boring close-ish matches I've ever seen. maybe I've just gotten unlucky, but on the updates I've seen I don't think any percent has even shifted by more then like .25%. It's just been 36-33-30 the entire time.


Nobody's making any major moves, no. It's a big three-way stall fest, mostly.
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#37 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/24/2013 12:52:50 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
The match just continues until the tie is broken (which would only take an extra few seconds, at best.


And then there are riots about Bacon "extending the match so that character could win", a la Mario/Crono 2003. Of course, everyone's hanging on the results that he allows us to see, anyway, so would we even know if a match was tied at the official end time of the match?

The thing is, the matches close at 12:00 exactly, when the next match starts, but we don't actually learn the results until a few minutes later. If the match was tied, once the next match starts, how would the old match be "kept open"? Would some servers display the old match? If so, which ones?

I've got a good idea of what to do if it happens, though. Something that is perfectly fair and doesn't involve delaying/extending polls.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb9_calendar?time=3

See those empty spaces? The one on the 18th stands out, but there's also one on September 1. Rather than starting the second round with a day match, thereby allowing it to end with a day match and putting Round 3 (the start of 24-hour matches) on schedule for starting at midnight, Bacon decided to have a 12-hour break in between Round 1 and Round 2 and another one between Round 2 and Round 3. I say that if a match ends in a tie in one of the first two rounds, there should be a 12-hour 1v1 tiebreaker match after the end of that round to determine who advances. (If two matches in the same round end in ties, then we'd need two six-hour matches--a real crapshoot, of course, but tiebreakers usually are. Continue shortening it as needed--12 hours is a very flexible time period in that as long as the number of tied matches has no prime factors greater than five, you can divide it up evenly. 3 times 4:00, 4 times 3:00, 5 times 2:24, 6 times 2:00, 8 times 1:30, 9 times 1:20, 10 times 1:12, 12 times 1:00, 15 times 0:48, 16 times 0:45...which should be more than we'd ever need.)

If a match ends in a tie in Round 3 or later? I guess then you'd have no choice but to extend the poll. But hasn't this always been a possibility?
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#38 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/24/2013 12:54:28 PM | message detail
SliceSabre posted...
Protoman is the master of 33.33% I swear!


Yeah, but that one wasn't exactly 1/3 the vote. He'd need one of Ike's votes switched to him for it to be even.
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#39 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 12:54:41 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
And then there are riots about Bacon "extending the match so that character could win", a la Mario/Crono 2003.


No, it wouldn't happen.

Most people probably wouldn't even notice the match had been extended because it'd be over in an extra couple seconds.
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#40 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 1:08:05 PM | message detail
Yeah consider the final update doesn't show until 12:02 or 12:03 we don't know if the poll lasted 2-3 seconds longer
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#41 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 1:09:24 PM | message detail
The only way you'd be able to tell is if you were watching your clock intensely and noticed the poll didn't switch over exactly at 12.

And even then, it wouldn't necessarily mean the match was extended because of a tie.
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#42 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 1:11:55 PM | message detail
Hey, Leon.


Ike (2010c) VS Proto Man (2010c)

Ike has a strength of 26.54.
Proto Man has a strength of 25.72.

Ike wins with 51.54% of the vote!
A win of 1,601 with 51,812 total votes cast.


Nice adjustment in those stats.
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#43 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 1:12:41 PM | message detail
#44 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/24/2013 1:14:34 PM | message detail
Being from Europe,i'm going to sleep in 1 hour
And then...PROTOMAN WILL MAKE A COMEBACK
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#45 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 1:14:43 PM | message detail
Someone needs to fix lol x-stats for our new terrible votals! If Ike could pull that many votes in a 24-hour match I'd take him to win the contest easily..!
#46 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 1:15:10 PM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
The last topic had people discussing Mega Man/Samus/Mario as like Mega Man advancing the match with Zero LFFing him (we know how strong it's going to be) against Charizard...so..am I wrong for having Charizard winning that match?


I have Charizard winning. Some have Zelda winning and some have Lightning winning.

Zelda and Lightning, probably two of the least attractive female VG characters ever.
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#47 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 1:16:29 PM | message detail
Zelda would be 10 times better if she looked like Mileena.
#48 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/24/2013 1:16:40 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...

Zelda and Lightning, probably two of the least attractive female VG characters ever.


What am I reading
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#49 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 1:17:16 PM | message detail
Feel free to disregard anything LMS says because he'll say something different tomorrow when he perceives it's not the majority opinion.
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#50 | Achromatic | Posted 7/24/2013 1:17:24 PM | message detail
Lightning is amazing looking, holy crap LMS no taste confirmed.
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