Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1075

#401 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/24/2013 11:09:04 AM | message detail
Samus strength on this site has always been one of the most confusing things about these contests.

Especially when you factor in her being able to beat Sonic all the way back in 2002. Which was before Prime was even out.
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#402 | Zylothewolf | Posted 7/24/2013 11:10:13 AM | message detail | (edited)
KamikazePotato posted...
Heck, I'd like to point out that Samus is Top 5 despite none of her games being especially strong or cares about. Nintendo fans!


Which is even more strange because Super Metroid should be top 5 in strength, and I have never voted for Samus.

Then again you can say the same thing about Sonic or Mega Man.
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#403 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 11:09:21 AM | message detail
Red/Blue is why if we get an OoT-less Games contest I'm taking RBY to win.

Even though in my heart I know LttP will win.
#404 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:09:39 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
The Mega Man crew is now easily the best performing of the contest. They've only had two matches but both have been outstanding.


More impressed with Sonic Team than Mega Man in this match.

Put Tails here, and he's probably winning outright.
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#405 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 7/24/2013 11:09:43 AM | message detail
LMS

you are (were?) on the leaderboard

and you're pushing ridley > tidus
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#406 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 11:10:04 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Heck, I'd like to point out that Samus is Top 5 despite none of her games being especially strong or cares about. Nintendo fans!


Samus has Smash (and no Ridley's 'appearance' in Brawl doesn't count). Moreover, Samus's relationship to her games is all just her benefiting from design. Look how much stronger Dante is compared to the DMCs, it's like that..


It's a combination of design, and being an iconic character. Not to the same extent as a Sonic or Mega Man, but then Samus makes up for that by her games being more popular.
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#407 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 11:12:19 AM | message detail
Ridley is a big dragon that's a recurring boss fight. I hope he's weak, I've been worried about Zidane dropping that match since the bracket came out, but if he's legit it wouldnt't be that surprising.
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#408 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:12:38 AM | message detail
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people
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#409 | Lopen | Posted 7/24/2013 11:12:47 AM | message detail
People are saying Protoman has a better chance in a night match? I'm not so sure here. Proto's kinda getting killed in Europe right now. Maybe he has a chance to start turning this around when Europe goes to bed.
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#410 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:14:24 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
People are saying Protoman has a better chance in a night match? I'm not so sure here. Proto's kinda getting killed in Europe right now. Maybe he has a chance to start turning this around when Europe goes to bed.


Hasn't Mega Man always been weak in Europe? (or am I thinking of something else) It hasn't stopped Mega Man from being more night-oriented anyway, I think.
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#411 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 11:14:57 AM | message detail
Thinking about this, was Mega Man 10 out before the Snake/Protoman match? He was pretty prominent in that, and was basically his first game appearance in like 15 years.
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#412 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 11:15:31 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people


Metroid Prime and Super Metroid would beat any Sonic and Mega Man game on this site, yes.
#413 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:15:51 AM | message detail
Yeah, a night match doesn't favor Mega Man characters at all because Europe destroys them. If anything, it'd give Robotnik an outside shot at winning since Europe loves Sonic.
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#414 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 11:16:05 AM | message detail
ZenOfThunder posted...
LMS

you are (were?) on the leaderboard

and you're pushing ridley > tidus


Tidus is a choke artist. He'd find a way to lose that somehow.

Then again, that's my logic for picking Otacon > Magus, and not sticking with my Donkey Kong > Lightning and Kefka > Zack/Ryu picks.

In all honesty, I feel that the second one is going to come back to bite me. Donkey Kong impressed during Rivalry Rumble (boy am I hypocritical or what? But I'm not making assumptions about strength, to be fair), and he's a gaming icon while Lightning is the divisive protagonist of a relative new and divisive game. But then again if anyone knows how to choke against Square characters it's Donkey Kong.

Unless Square Enix =/= Square, that is.
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#415 | Lopen | Posted 7/24/2013 11:16:30 AM | message detail
Eh I've never thought Mega Man to be night oriented as much as "first three hours oriented" I'm pretty sure he's pretty balanced trendwise after the open to the match, generally, with the trends mostly depending on the opponents.
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#416 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:17:10 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people


Metroid Prime and Super Metroid would beat any Sonic and Mega Man game on this site, yes.


Putting aside the veracity of that statement, that's not the same thing. Collectively Mega Man's and Sonic's series annihilate Metroid.
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#417 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 11:17:13 AM | message detail
I think the big issue you're having with Ridley is that he's a C-list character and sucks, so he should be weak.

While I understand where you're coming from, Shadow the Hedgehog is going to win a match this year. Tragedies happen.
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#418 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 11:17:38 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Lopen posted...
People are saying Protoman has a better chance in a night match? I'm not so sure here. Proto's kinda getting killed in Europe right now. Maybe he has a chance to start turning this around when Europe goes to bed.


Hasn't Mega Man always been weak in Europe? (or am I thinking of something else) It hasn't stopped Mega Man from being more night-oriented anyway, I think.


Mega Man is weak in Europe, but the first 3-4 hours of a night match are usually the Blue Bomber's most dominant period. He falls off in the middle of the night, has a terrible morning, a so-so day, then absolutely rocks the evening vote.

If this is within 300-400 votes at 8pm, Protoman can absolutely take it back.

Were this a night match, you would see Protoman and Ike dominate the first hour, Protoman take off from 1am-4am, Robotnick probably win from 4am-8am, then Ike and Robotnik to split the last 4 hours.
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#419 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:18:13 AM | message detail
hey guys remember when Metroid got 52% on Pokemon in the Series Contest and we thought that was a terrible performance
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#420 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 11:18:21 AM | message detail
Double post time!

But yeah, Ridley > Tidus essentially rests on Ridley being the perfect character to take advantage of Tidus's anti-votes. He was for Cloud, he can be for another Square lead as well.
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#421 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/24/2013 11:18:47 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
I think the big issue you're having with Ridley is that he's a C-list character and sucks, so he should be weak.

While I understand where you're coming from, Shadow the Hedgehog is going to win a match this year. Tragedies happen.


Remember that time Shadow got 45% on Mario?
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#422 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:03 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people


Metroid Prime and Super Metroid would beat any Sonic and Mega Man game on this site, yes.


Putting aside the veracity of that statement, that's not the same thing. Collectively Mega Man's and Sonic's series annihilate Metroid.


Games =/= Series, otherwise Mario Kart would have beaten Mega Man. Samus's games are far more popular than Sonic or Mega Man's here. We have contest evidence to show that, as much as I would love to somehow be able to prove FF4 defeats Melee through Mega Man 3 and Prime!
#423 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:13 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
hey guys remember when Metroid got 52% on Pokemon in the Series Contest and we thought that was a terrible performance


It was, Pokemon was still obviously a different animal back then. Could Metroid even break 40% today?
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#424 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:19 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ZenOfThunder posted...
LMS

you are (were?) on the leaderboard

and you're pushing ridley > tidus


Tidus is a choke artist. He'd find a way to lose that somehow.

Then again, that's my logic for picking Otacon > Magus, and not sticking with my Donkey Kong > Lightning and Kefka > Zack/Ryu picks.

In all honesty, I feel that the second one is going to come back to bite me. Donkey Kong impressed during Rivalry Rumble (boy am I hypocritical or what? But I'm not making assumptions about strength, to be fair), and he's a gaming icon while Lightning is the divisive protagonist of a relative new and divisive game. But then again if anyone knows how to choke against Square characters it's Donkey Kong.

Unless Square Enix =/= Square, that is.


Pure curiosity. Discounting choking, what is the logic behind Kefka > Zack? Wouldn't that like require Bowser > MM?
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#425 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:19 AM | message detail
I would expect Ridley to fold against any Nintendo character people care about, like Peach does.

So I'd never take Ridley to beat Ike.

Ridley/Ness/Peach 3-way this needs to happen
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#426 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 11:19:34 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people


Metroid Prime and Super Metroid would beat any Sonic and Mega Man game on this site, yes.


Putting aside the veracity of that statement, that's not the same thing. Collectively Mega Man's and Sonic's series annihilate Metroid.


I think I'd take Mega Man X and Sonic 2 over Metroid Prime as well.
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#427 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 11:20:27 AM | message detail
ShatteredElysium posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ZenOfThunder posted...
LMS

you are (were?) on the leaderboard

and you're pushing ridley > tidus


Tidus is a choke artist. He'd find a way to lose that somehow.

Then again, that's my logic for picking Otacon > Magus, and not sticking with my Donkey Kong > Lightning and Kefka > Zack/Ryu picks.

In all honesty, I feel that the second one is going to come back to bite me. Donkey Kong impressed during Rivalry Rumble (boy am I hypocritical or what? But I'm not making assumptions about strength, to be fair), and he's a gaming icon while Lightning is the divisive protagonist of a relative new and divisive game. But then again if anyone knows how to choke against Square characters it's Donkey Kong.

Unless Square Enix =/= Square, that is.


Pure curiosity. Discounting choking, what is the logic behind Kefka > Zack? Wouldn't that like require Bowser > MM?


Zack > Kefka isn't even remotely in question. They both got 38% in 2010, but one was against Bowser and the other was against a roided out Mega Man.
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#428 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:20:42 AM | message detail
Thinking about this, was Mega Man 10 out before the Snake/Protoman match? He was pretty prominent in that, and was basically his first game appearance in like 15 years.

It was released a month after Snake/Proto Man and the game doesn't seem to be the type that would get a lot of hype.
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#429 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 11:21:05 AM | message detail
Yeah. Ridley vs. Zidane scares me because if Ridley is stronger intrinsically, the site is going to go into Nintendo v Square mode and he wins.
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#430 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 11:21:22 AM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people


Metroid Prime and Super Metroid would beat any Sonic and Mega Man game on this site, yes.


Putting aside the veracity of that statement, that's not the same thing. Collectively Mega Man's and Sonic's series annihilate Metroid.


I think I'd take Mega Man X and Sonic 2 over Metroid Prime as well.


I would love this, but I don't even consider taking FFVI, let alone Link's Awakening, over every game to come out since 2000.
#431 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:21:25 AM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I think I'd take Mega Man X and Sonic 2 over Metroid Prime as well.


I'm not sure about that. Sonic 3 got destroyed by Super Metroid despite it splitting with Super Mario Kart (and ALMOST LOSING).

Sonic 2's probably stronger, sure, but I kinda doubt it'd beat Metroid Prime, which is probably stronger than Super Metroid.
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#432 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 7/24/2013 11:22:17 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I would expect Ridley to fold against any Nintendo character people care about, like Peach does.

So I'd never take Ridley to beat Ike.

Ridley/Ness/Peach 3-way this needs to happen


Peach > Ridley > Ness

Series takes over.
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#433 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 11:22:19 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Thinking about this, was Mega Man 10 out before the Snake/Protoman match? He was pretty prominent in that, and was basically his first game appearance in like 15 years.

It was released a month after Snake/Proto Man and the game doesn't seem to be the type that would get a lot of hype.


Hype doesn't really factor into it. More of a keeping him relevant than anything. Not saying this Protoman is significantly stronger than 2010, but having a well-received game for the first time in almost 20 years can't hurt.
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#434 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:22:49 AM | message detail
I still want to see it, even if that is the likely outcome.

Actually, I'd probably go Peach > Ness > Ridley
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#435 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 11:23:00 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
I think I'd take Mega Man X and Sonic 2 over Metroid Prime as well.


I'm not sure about that. Sonic 3 got destroyed by Super Metroid despite it splitting with Super Mario Kart (and ALMOST LOSING).

Sonic 2's probably stronger, sure, but I kinda doubt it'd beat Metroid Prime, which is probably stronger than Super Metroid.


No way, Super Metroid is way stronger than Prime
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#436 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:23:01 AM | message detail
Yeah. Ridley vs. Zidane scares me because if Ridley is stronger intrinsically, the site is going to go into Nintendo v Square mode and he wins.

I was surprised that more people didn't give Ridley a better chance, sure anti-votes and all, but what if they weren't largely anti-votes
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#437 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:23:06 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Metroid series being more popular than the Sonic/Mega Man series, this is certainly an opinion held by rational people


Metroid Prime and Super Metroid would beat any Sonic and Mega Man game on this site, yes.


Putting aside the veracity of that statement, that's not the same thing. Collectively Mega Man's and Sonic's series annihilate Metroid.


Games =/= Series, otherwise Mario Kart would have beaten Mega Man. Samus's games are far more popular than Sonic or Mega Man's here. We have contest evidence to show that, as much as I would love to somehow be able to prove FF4 defeats Melee through Mega Man 3 and Prime!


You're not accounting for the context of the statement. Samus having individual games stronger than some of Mega Man's or Sonic's doesn't matter when the series is collectively weaker, for the purposes of her strength. MGS is stronger than any game in any of those series, which was certainly little consolation for Snake when he was weaker than all three of 'em!
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#438 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:24:00 AM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
No way, Super Metroid is way stronger than Prime


There isn't a single contest match that points to this.
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#439 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:24:05 AM | message detail
Hype doesn't really factor into it. More of a keeping him relevant than anything. Not saying this Protoman is significantly stronger than 2010, but having a well-received game for the first time in almost 20 years can't hurt.

It was more that he did not get a boost for his 2010 match because there was no hype, I agree that he could be stronger now.
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#440 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 11:26:04 AM | message detail
I keep thinking that Metroid Prime's contest strength is represented by where it's placed in the GOTD x-stats. I guess that could be a lie.

But I would take Metroid Prime over Super Mario Galaxy for certain, and no Mega Man or Sonic game is beating Galaxy.
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#441 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:34:13 AM | message detail
I'll never trust Prime again after what it did against Kingdom Hearts and Vice City. It was all I could do to not pull the trigger on HL2 > Prime (GOTD was weird anyhow).
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#442 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:35:51 AM | message detail
So is there any known trend that Protoman will somehow make a huge comeback or it's pretty much over like this? with Protoman cutting here and there but pretty much over?
#443 | superange128 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:36:12 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'll never trust Prime again after what it did against Kingdom Hearts and Vice City. It was all I could do to not pull the trigger on HL2 > Prime (GOTD was weird anyhow).


someone reads too much into super old contest results
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#444 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:36:30 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'll never trust Prime again after what it did against Kingdom Hearts and Vice City. It was all I could do to not pull the trigger on HL2 > Prime (GOTD was weird anyhow).


To be fair, Paper Mario being there messed it up.

And Kingdom Hearts is a strong game.
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#445 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:37:26 AM | message detail
superange128 posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
I'll never trust Prime again after what it did against Kingdom Hearts and Vice City. It was all I could do to not pull the trigger on HL2 > Prime (GOTD was weird anyhow).


someone reads too much into super old contest results


...that's the most recent proper Games Contest we have.
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#446 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 11:38:01 AM | message detail
Prime and Paper Mario both did very well in GotD.
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#447 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:38:06 AM | message detail
GOTD is more recent!
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#448 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:38:39 AM | message detail
So is there any known trend that Protoman will somehow make a huge comeback or it's pretty much over like this? with Protoman cutting here and there but pretty much over?

Well when Europe goes to bed Proto Man will get stronger by comparison.
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#449 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:39:32 AM | message detail
I said proper

Even I don't believe MGS3 is as strong as GOTD implies which should tell you something
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#450 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/24/2013 11:40:22 AM | message detail
I believe it!

No reason to believe there was something wrong with its performance on Majora's Mask, and that was a day match!

I mean, yeah, Majora's probably a bit overrated in the stats, but still, MGS3 legit!
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