Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1075

#351 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:20:34 AM | message detail
Me calling Peach jokefodder is one thing that HASN'T changed since 2005 and dammit that's how she'll always be to me
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#352 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 10:21:00 AM | message detail
The last contest was three years ago, and the audience that votes in these contests today is probably quite different from 2010. Times change, preferences change, the audience changes - I don't have a hard time believing certain characters would do better now compared to past contests with all that in mind. Kuja I wouldn't expect to do much better, or worse, but I can see Robotnik and Protoman being a bit better than they were. I'm not arguing for Ike here, though, because it's not like he's maintained and the others caught up. It's probably a mixture of both. I just see a lot of 'TO A FIN' and it's like that matters about as much as Cloud beating Link that one time.
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#353 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 10:21:37 AM | message detail
Hey, if you think Jill Valentine and Gordon Freeman are jokefodder, and if you believe Crash Bandicoot = Crono, then that's your business.
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#354 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 10:23:45 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Hey, if you think Jill Valentine and Gordon Freeman are jokefodder, and if you believe Crash Bandicoot = Crono, then that's your business.


Hey now, get some LAST CONTEST in this.

Crash Bandicoot is worth 47% on Sephiroth.
#355 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:25:35 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Hey, if you think Jill Valentine and Gordon Freeman are jokefodder, and if you believe Crash Bandicoot = Crono, then that's your business.

That sounds borderline delusional.
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#356 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:25:41 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
The last contest was three years ago, and the audience that votes in these contests today is probably quite different from 2010. Times change, preferences change, the audience changes - I don't have a hard time believing certain characters would do better now compared to past contests with all that in mind. Kuja I wouldn't expect to do much better, or worse, but I can see Robotnik and Protoman being a bit better than they were. I'm not arguing for Ike here, though, because it's not like he's maintained and the others caught up. It's probably a mixture of both. I just see a lot of 'TO A FIN' and it's like that matters about as much as Cloud beating Link that one time.


Unless you read the only post of mine that mentioned Sin multiple times in rapid succession, I'm having a hard time squaring that perception.
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#357 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:26:23 AM | message detail
Kirby/Terra/Peach or Ike/Proto Man/Robotnik for highest strength floor? Feels like Peach > Robotnik to me, but I might be wrong about that.
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#358 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 10:27:18 AM | message detail
that's what happens when you use a lot of e's man this is how these things work
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#359 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/24/2013 10:28:10 AM | message detail
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#360 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:29:20 AM | message detail
Actually I forgot all about Falcon/Alucard/Rydia. That's probably the one.
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#361 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:30:01 AM | message detail
Does Protoman has a change?
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#362 | psaltery | Posted 7/24/2013 10:30:28 AM | message detail
peach is very weak and the last matchup proved it

next match will be fun
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#363 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:31:46 AM | message detail
Turning back to the actual match (shock), if Protoman can keep stalling and throwing in the occasional cut, I'd wager he might have a chance to come back here. Mega Man has one of the best second night votes in the contest, if I remember correctly? Trends have been inconsistent at best this year though.
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#364 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:31:56 AM | message detail
Proto Man's hanging on. Maybe if he can stall it out to the last 3-4 hours while being down less than 300-400 votes he can make a move. I think he's got little chance though. Ike's saved by his day match strength (again).
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#365 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:32:14 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Kirby/Terra/Peach or Ike/Proto Man/Robotnik for highest strength floor? Feels like Peach > Robotnik to me, but I might be wrong about that.


Feels like Peach > Robotnik

Unpossible, Peach is and always has been weaker than people like to believe she is.
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#366 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:33:10 AM | message detail
As funny as "a fin" was, FFX characters have shown to have decent strength, if Jecht can defeat Phoenix Wright then Sin in fin form can have some strength.
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#367 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 10:33:32 AM | message detail
psaltery posted...
peach is very weak and the last matchup proved it

next match will be fun


You mean the match with Kirby involved?
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#368 | SnoicFactor | Posted 7/24/2013 10:33:56 AM | message detail
did Robo just cut >_>?
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#369 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:34:01 AM | message detail
peach is very weak and the last matchup proved it

lol SFF
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#370 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 10:38:07 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Ridley is ranked in the top half of the 2010 stats, around Ness, Tidus, Riku ect. Either he overperformed on Cloud or he's legit. Neither would surprise me too much.


I think Ridley would seriously beat Tidus. There's the serious irony that Tidus's game would probably beat any game that Ridley is in in a GameFAQs contest, but then again Tidus's game would do even better against anything with Sub-Zero and we know how that worked out.

Yeah, I think Tidus could find a way to pull off that choke job. Out of curiosity, would Ridley be another "I would have taken an easy first place in most threepacks this contest" character?
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#371 | WhiteLens | Posted 7/24/2013 10:38:28 AM | message detail
Yay, another pic of mine was used!
Just glad that it wasn't Ike's usual PoR art on the character page that's constantly used.
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#372 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:40:03 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
peach is very weak and the last matchup proved it

lol SFF


I will admit that is not a 'fair' match-up for Peach due to SFF. Kirby is not going to ever fall to some low-tier Nintendo character. Ever. Never.
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#373 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:40:08 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
152 vote lead for both

Also, Proto Man with exactly 1/3 of the vote.


Same, except 209-vote lead
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#374 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:42:27 AM | message detail
how the hell does Proto Man keep ending up with exactly 1/3 of the votes
#375 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:42:51 AM | message detail
Robotnik falling close to the 30% line. Might hit sub 30% and he'll look weaker than he really is for later years contests.
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#376 | SnoicFactor | Posted 7/24/2013 10:44:05 AM | message detail
Robotnik would win in a night match.
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#377 | Zylothewolf | Posted 7/24/2013 10:44:56 AM | message detail
And it's time for Robotnik to cut Ike's lead. Wouldn't surprise me if he started a serious comeback because that's how crazy this match is.
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#378 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:45:08 AM | message detail
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!
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#379 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:45:57 AM | message detail
I will admit that is not a 'fair' match-up for Peach due to SFF. Kirby is not going to ever fall to some low-tier Nintendo character. Ever. Never.

Of course not, he's up there with Luigi/Bowser/Yoshi/Zelda/Ganondorf in terms of Nintendo characters with strength, but without SFF Kirby would not be able to double Peach.
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#380 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:47:08 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Have you been to Smash4's boards? Some days 90% of the 1 pages topics are Ridley related.
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#381 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:48:40 AM | message detail
SliceSabre posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Have you been to Smash4's boards? Some days 90% of the 1 pages topics are Ridley related.


there was no word in your response that didn't utterly baffle me
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#382 | nintendogirl1 (Moderator) | Posted 7/24/2013 10:49:09 AM | message detail
Barring some really odd trends, they should be set in this order, but this is certainly something. I'd lean towards impressive from Robotnik rather than weakness from the other two, but you never know...
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#383 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 10:50:08 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
SliceSabre posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Have you been to Smash4's boards? Some days 90% of the 1 pages topics are Ridley related.


there was no word in your response that didn't utterly baffle me


Hey now, if you can use Ridley three times in a post, you can understand someone else using it once!
#384 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:51:00 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
SliceSabre posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Have you been to Smash4's boards? Some days 90% of the 1 pages topics are Ridley related.


there was no word in your response that didn't utterly baffle me

I don't quite understand it either but there is a big Ridley fanbase moving around on these boards. There's also a large Ridley hatebase too because of said fanbase for Ridley in smash so Ridley probably gets anti-votes from them.
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#385 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:51:50 AM | message detail
Proto Man doesn't have much reason to be weaker now compared with 2010, if anything he may be slightly stronger due to Mega Man's announcement to SSB4.
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#386 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:52:15 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
SliceSabre posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Have you been to Smash4's boards? Some days 90% of the 1 pages topics are Ridley related.


there was no word in your response that didn't utterly baffle me


Hey now, if you can use Ridley three times in a post, you can understand someone else using it once!


who the hell is Ridley
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#387 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:53:19 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Proto Man doesn't have much reason to be weaker now compared with 2010, if anything he may be slightly stronger due to Mega Man's announcement to SSB4.

Playing off that Robotnik is stronger due to Sonic Lost World and Ike stronger due to Smash4 even if he's not confirmed for it. Yet.
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#388 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 10:54:19 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
SliceSabre posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Have you been to Smash4's boards? Some days 90% of the 1 pages topics are Ridley related.


there was no word in your response that didn't utterly baffle me


Hey now, if you can use Ridley three times in a post, you can understand someone else using it once!


who the hell is Ridley


He's Samus' love interest.
#389 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:55:51 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

who the hell is Ridley


He's Samus' love interest.


has Adam authorized this
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#390 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 10:57:32 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
As funny as "a fin" was, FFX characters have shown to have decent strength, if Jecht can defeat Phoenix Wright then Sin in fin form can have some strength.


I feel like I'm the only one who has noticed that Auron is the only FFX character to do jack in these contests.
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#391 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:57:59 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

who the hell is Ridley


He's Samus' love interest.


has Adam authorized this

I should hope not.
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#392 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 10:59:19 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...

who the hell is Ridley


He's Samus' love interest.


has Adam authorized this


Adam is a terrible person so yes.
#393 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:01:12 AM | message detail
What was that Ike monster update
I'm outta here,it's over
#394 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 11:01:21 AM | message detail
I feel like I'm the only one who has noticed that Auron is the only FFX character to do jack in these contests.

Tidus, Rikku and Yuna all have strength, they are just unlucky to get difficult opponents.
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#395 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 11:03:28 AM | message detail
Tidus always runs into overseeded opponents, while Yuna and Rikku are always underseeded.

But I'll be honest, it's definitely not a good thing to be the only character who has been in every contest, yet has never made the third round (Gordon Freeman sure is lucky!).
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#396 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 11:03:35 AM | message detail
Ridley is dumb but so is Yoshi, Kirby, ect. Nintendo fans having a strange and irrational love for him would be par for the course.
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#397 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 11:04:33 AM | message detail
Heck, I'd like to point out that Samus is Top 5 despite none of her games being especially strong or cares about. Nintendo fans!
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#398 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 7/24/2013 11:07:55 AM | message detail
Metroid Prime is strong enough.
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#399 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 11:08:02 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Heck, I'd like to point out that Samus is Top 5 despite none of her games being especially strong or cares about. Nintendo fans!


Samus has Smash (and no Ridley's 'appearance' in Brawl doesn't count). Moreover, Samus's relationship to her games is all just her benefiting from design. Look how much stronger Dante is compared to the DMCs, it's like that..
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#400 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/24/2013 11:08:03 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
Tidus dropping a match to Ridley would floor me. I mean, to say he's a contentious FF lead is an understatement, but... at least people care about him. I've never heard anyone give a damn about Ridley, ever, without me at least suspecting it was some kind of elaborate troll. Heck, pairing Samus with Ridley almost caused them to drop a match to the Bosses!


Ridley just feels like the perfect character to take advantage of anti-votes to me. He did so against Cloud, after all!

And now he stands a good chance of actually beating an FF lead, too. Scary.

As for the whole deal with Ridley weakening Samus in Rivalry Rumble...that's because Samus gets most of her strength from Smash Bros. Same deal with Kirby - Kirby's just a notch behind Sonic in strength and Meta Knight would wipe the floor with Eggman, yet pairing Meta Knight with Kirby weakened Kirby relative to Sonic because Kirby gets his strength from Smash Bros.

Which is why I think any analysis based on that contest needs to stop. Not only was that contest so bad that I wasn't around for a good chunk of it, but it's worthless in terms of deducing character strength. Absolutely worthless. It would sooner help for a series or games contest, honestly.
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