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BlAcK TuRtLe posted... raginbull911 posted...BlAcK TuRtLe posted...I'm noticing the gaggle of newbs from last night have been aweful quiet this morning. I think they forget that the veterans have been following these contests for almost 10 years. First of all, I'm pretty sure one of the people arguing against you was Yoblazer, so how about you start comparing the amount of contest prizes you've won against him first before you start throwing that card around. Secondly, I'm not sure what a post of yours is without an attitude is since you seem to have a smarmy, know-it-all attitude every time you post. You have never shown anyone who disagrees with you even an ounce of respect, so I'm not sure why you expect any back in return. However, I will show you some and tell you that if you would approach things with a little (read: a lot) more humility then you probably would not get into as many confrontations on this board/in this topic. On a separate note, I will admit I was wrong about C. Falcon winning. I don't think I came out and said he would win, but I thought the morning vote would be fine for him, which it clearly was not. I was wrong about that. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
Okay,
I went with Bayonetta for this round, so though I came up empty on the
last battle, this one will net me the point I need for my bracket --- @w@ Gamertag: SliceSabre |
Nanis23 posted... What is this talk about old gens being bad without mentioning the Physical Special splite And this is why anything below Gen 4 can't be the best. The physical/special split of moves was by far the best change of the series. --- "A game with amazing story and mediocre gameplay usually beats a game with amazing gameplay and mediocre story." - Vlado, Gaming Expert |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... raginbull911 posted...BlAcK TuRtLe posted...I'm noticing the gaggle of newbs from last night have been aweful quiet this morning. I think they forget that the veterans have been following these contests for almost 10 years. It's all well all good to be kind when people agree with you, but turning into a jerk at the sight of disagreement is not healthy towards debate or towards the community in general. Any good mathematician will tell you that trend predicting is inexact work. You can extrapolate based on past data all you want, it's still inexact. People will analyze in different ways with different methodologies. Some may be better, some may be worse. Nonetheless, your methodology is still open for discussion. I don't know you well enough to make an ad hominem attack sarcastically calling you an "omniscient contest God" (and I didn't). I'll leave that to my peers on this board who may know you better. There's nothing wrong with pushing your point, but being a jerk while doing it isn't the right approach and won't convince many people. The last statement in your first paragraph just falls back on the elitism I mentioned in my original reply, and is irrelevant about whether it permits you to be a jerk or not. My reply to you had nothing worth checking. Sorry if you're offended by someone calling you out for making a jerkish comment, but that call-out in and of itself isn't representative of attitude. It's saying that having less knowledge on the subject matter should not be a barrier into discussion and standing up for "newbs" like myself and many others on the board. I debated not making my first reply since I didn`t want to derail the thread -- it already has to an extent, so this reply will be my last one on this topic. Rebut if you wish. --- I pwn you all! |
That's true. Let's see what my oracle has... Ike - 39% Proto Man - 36% Dr. Robotnik - 25% Xstats are super close for Proto and Ike, so Proto winning actually wouldn't surprise me much. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
Physical/Special
split wasn't really such a big deal, pokémon who were worthless before
stayed worthless for the most part and pokémon who were good just became
stronger. --- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! |
haha n why did anybody think he'd win --- ~Zen |
woot alucard! --- nt |
Achromatic posted... That's true. I don't know how strong Proto is, but I'd suspect he'd definitely be much weaker than Mega, and probably slightly weaker than Zero. Also, I'd suspect his voting channels to have some overlap with Robotnik (8/16bit retro gaming). Ike's a main protagonist in arguably the most popular Fire Emblem game in NA, and has the Smash factor going for him. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he wins by at least 8-10%. --- I pwn you all! |
So Alucard's plan was to win with the morning vote and expose Captain Falcon's joke trends Of course! Why didn't I see that coming! --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
How about you vets stop making me feel old while arguing and I realize my account is over 10 years old? --- @w@ Gamertag: SliceSabre |
Xstats are super close for Proto and Ike, so Proto winning actually wouldn't surprise me much. Not sure how the stats adjusted Mario/Ike, but Proto Man only outperformed SFF Ike by around 1.5% against Solid Snake. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 24/28 Today's Picks: Falcon and Bayonetta |
raginbull911 posted... Achromatic posted...That's true. If Proto Man is in the same ballpark as Zero he's running away with this match. Sadly, Proto Man is not in the same ballpark as Zero. :( |
charmander6000 posted... Xstats are super close for Proto and Ike, so Proto winning actually wouldn't surprise me much. They adjusted Ike like 7%, keep in mind Snake is stronger than Mario. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
Ike's a main protagonist in arguably the most popular Fire Emblem game in NA That would be Awakening. But luckily, Awakening likely boosted all characters from the series. --- SuperNiceDog won the Guru contest super nicely! |
BlAcK TuRtLe posted... WellThoughtName posted...Blue should be pretty strong. That's...there is absolutely nothing to suggest that Fox/Wolf is going to be more like Mega Man/Zero than Link/Ganondorf. As I stated above, the Fox/Wolf team barely managed to beat Yuna/Seymour by more than Fox would be projected to beat Yuna by, and then they massively underperformed compared to 1-on-1 projections for Fox vs. Ryu when facing team Ryu/Ken. My takeaway from this is that voters didn't see Fox/Wolf as a "true rivalry", which if you're especially cynical might even suggest that Fox is getting more of his strength from Smash than he is from his own games. "NO ITEMS, FOX ONLY, FINAL DESTINATION" Star Fox 64 is my favorite game ever, so I don't want this to be true, but that's the conclusion I can draw. Seriously, pre-contest, we all figured that rivalries that "weren't really rivalries" would bomb, and for the most part, they did. I mean, credit to Crono for actually managing to not get 60-40'd by Snake even with Lavos there, but without a legit rival, you were screwed. (I was one of those poor unfortunate souls who figured that since Leon would beat Sub-Zero or Scorpion 1v1 and Ada had at least looked decent in her matches, the two of them could actually beat the two MK characters, though it would be close. Remember how bad a blowout that was?) And "Yuna vs. Seymour" was one of the ones we figured would bomb. But compared to what Yuna would be projected to get on Fox 1v1? Seymour didn't really seem to hurt her that much. And then you look at what happened in Round 2, and you realize that Seymour did hurt Yuna a lot, it just wasn't noticeable right away because Wolf hurt Fox almost as badly. There's also the fact that Zero vs. Mega Man is X series vs. Classic series, but that's an argument for another day. Based on recent x-stats, I think X series might actually be stronger than Classic series. There's really only one contest I can find in which it's possible to make a meaningful comparison between the two in which Classic comes out looking better...and that is the Series Contest itself. X has generally outperformed Mega Man; Zero's easily outperformed his Classic counterpart, Protoman (remember when they actually faced each other and Zero dished out a 5:2 beatdown?)...but, yeah, that's not the point. The point is that while we don't really have any good numbers to use to determine Wolf's strength, the one thing we do have suggests Wolf will be weak. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Achromatic posted... charmander6000 posted...Xstats are super close for Proto and Ike, so Proto winning actually wouldn't surprise me much. The stats don't adjust Snake for anti-votes against Cloud however. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
Safer_777 posted... An argument that Pokemon is for kiddies?Come on now,I thought that would be in the past.Also nobody cares about Human characters in Pokemon games it seems. Rivalry Rumble says otherwise. Lol that contest though. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
LOLContests posted... Achromatic posted...charmander6000 posted...Xstats are super close for Proto and Ike, so Proto winning actually wouldn't surprise me much. Completely baseless speculation, really. Also Proto should, by all rights, be pretty strong. I just think Ike barely takes it. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
So I see that Alucard predictably used the day vote to win against Falcon. ...wait...what,,,? This contest makes no damn sense. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename posted... So I see that Alucard predictably used the day vote to win against Falcon. The morning sun has vanquished the horrible night. --- I pwn you all! |
KamikazePotato posted... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3830 Do you think that's better or worse? --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
I think when placed up against Ike and Protoman, Robotnik will falter as I don't think he's nearly as popular as he used to be. I think Protoman takes a lot of votes from him. --- @w@ Gamertag: SliceSabre |
KamikazePotato posted... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778 Isaac just managed like 20, so.. probably? Ike has to be a fair amount stronger than Isaac, right? --- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza |
The Mana Sword posted... KamikazePotato posted...http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778 Accounting for SFF, probably better, but there's probably not that much SFF there. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... The Mana Sword posted...KamikazePotato posted...http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778 Dude. Come on, we all know that Ike gets a large majority of his power from Smash. Not much SFF... <_<. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
SliceSabre posted... I think when placed up against Ike and Protoman, Robotnik will falter as I don't think he's nearly as popular as he used to be. I would think it would make more sense for Robotnik to be stronger now, since he plays a bigger role in the newer Sonic games than in the ones released in the 2000s (although I guess I'm only basing this on how I know Eggman's the final boss of Colors/Generations, while he gets upended by another villain in Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, and all of that stuff). --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Bane_Of_Despair posted... WellThoughtName posted...Gen 1 was objectively the worst, here's why : http://i.imgur.com/nkvKxTH.png Oh man, that is great. Of course, the guy is an idiot; even without being able to heal status conditions, if he'd been trying to use Quick Attack instead of Slam, he might have been able to do it with Pikachu. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Achromatic posted... KamikazePotato posted...The Mana Sword posted...KamikazePotato posted...http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778 You could argue a percentage of Ike fans merely know him from Smash. But when placed against Mario those same fans probably would abandon him. --- @w@ Gamertag: SliceSabre |
Ike
probably improves by about 5% without SFF, but he wouldn't prevent
himself from getting doubled or anything like that. Ike has actually
done pretty well at resisting SFF in the past, at least looking at his
match with Pikachu. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Achromatic posted... LOLContests posted...Achromatic posted...charmander6000 posted...Xstats are super close for Proto and Ike, so Proto winning actually wouldn't surprise me much. It's not baseless. Ridley, Falcon, Ryu and Samus all looked to be overperforming against Cloud. That's a pretty strong base to draw from. You could argue that FF/MGS overlap canceled Snake's anti-votes out, but to deny that Cloud was getting anti-voted in 2010 would be to ignore the available evidence. Edit: That being said, adjusting Ike for SFF is obviously a subjective thing, so who knows how he'll hold up against Proto Man. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
When four characters overperform on you, it turns out, you're just weaker. Falcon validated his performance on Cloud last night. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
KamikazePotato posted... Ike probably improves by about 5% without SFF, but he wouldn't prevent himself from getting doubled or anything like that. Ike has actually done pretty well at resisting SFF in the past, at least looking at his match with Pikachu. Hard to place a % on it, but Mario is a far cry from Pikachu. Mario made Samus his ***** with his SFF strength. Nintendo clearly has a pecking order on this site and it goes Link then Mario and then everyone else can go die. And yeah when everyone overperforms it just means Cloud isn't as strong as he used to be and in turn Link is losing a bit of his edge. --- "When your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet." |
LinkMarioSamus posted... SliceSabre posted...I think when placed up against Ike and Protoman, Robotnik will falter as I don't think he's nearly as popular as he used to be. You've got a point there, but I still don't expect Robotnik to win. I expect him to perform like Rydia did. --- @w@ Gamertag: SliceSabre |
I also expect Eggman to end up in last. I'm just saying. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Robotnik just needs to find the missing dragon balls and have his wish of winning the whole contest granted. #MASTERPLAN --- I pwn you all! |
Achromatic posted... KamikazePotato posted...Ike probably improves by about 5% without SFF, but he wouldn't prevent himself from getting doubled or anything like that. Ike has actually done pretty well at resisting SFF in the past, at least looking at his match with Pikachu. That as well. Alucard also went up against an anti-vote magnet, although somehow I don't imagine Link anti-votes to be as intense as Cloud anti-votes (no matter what the final may indicate). --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
From: SuorGenoveffa | #256 Physical/Special split wasn't really such a big deal, pokémon who were worthless before stayed worthless for the most part and pokémon who were good just became stronger. No. --- Hey man, LlamaGuy did encrypt the passwords. With what? ROT-13? -CJayC |
MoogleKupo141 posted... KamikazePotato posted...http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/3778 Technically 22% so Proto only 55-45s Isaac if you trust both their performances against Snake. I think Ike can outdo that, but not by much |
KamikazePotato posted... When four characters overperform on you, it turns out, you're just weaker. Falcon validated his performance on Cloud last night. Alucard overperformed on Link as well. Othewise we're to believe that Alucard and Falcon have an x-stat value ~28-25 on BL something that neither of them has been at in years (or ever in Falcon's case.) And Falcon's performance against Rydia certainly doesn't validate his performance in 2010. --- "What's the matter with bootblacking? We both like it very much!" This is Yesmar. |
I thought that FE7 was the first FE to be in the US and thus..the most popular? Well I mean,if Eliwood/Lyndis/Hector were in SSB series together with Marth Roy and Ike,how would you rank them in order of strength..? I would think Hector>Marth>Ike>Roy..but that's just me |
Link is also flat-out weaker. He looked like crap in every non-SFF 2010 match, and in his first match of this year. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Nanis23 posted... I thought that FE7 was the first FE to be in the US and thus..the most popular? For what it's worth, FE7 is the highest-ranked game in the series at unikgamer, and finished far ahead of Path of Radiance in the GOTD x-stats (I think the raw stats have even Tony Hawk 2 doubling Path of Radiance, that's how bad it is). --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
I
think it's definitely far more likely that the entire field has just
condensed in strength than to blame every overperformance on anti-votes. And Rydia was likely held back by Auron in 2008. --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
KamikazePotato posted... Link is also flat-out weaker. He looked like crap in every non-SFF 2010 match, and in his first match of this year. Flat-out weaker as a result of anti-votes, that is. Just like Cloud and Sephiroth. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Can someone please calculate 2008 Lucario,2008 Wander and N right now? Really want to know if N is stronger or weaker than Lucario |
LinkMarioSamus posted... Nanis23 posted...I thought that FE7 was the first FE to be in the US and thus..the most popular? why would a gaming website for eunuchs be worth anything here --- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza |
Are there the stats of the previous battles somewhere? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
raginbull911 posted... Achromatic posted...That's true. Slightly weaker than Zero would give him about 50% in that match. We have a good idea of where Proto Man is based on his match with Snake. 1v1, it would be a close match between him and Ike. The unknowns are how Robotnik factors into it. I thought about taking Proto Man here, but I fell back on "When in doubt, pick the Smash character" rule. --- Game of the decade? More like Guru of the decade mirite? However, the Guru of the next decade so far is SuperNiceDog |
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