Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1074

#101 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:07 AM | message detail
Good job Bayonetta. And Wander can't even manage 20% on these guys? Starting to think he'd have trouble with the likes of Commander Keen.
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#102 | vcharon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:29 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Key piece of data was this: lol non gen 1 or 2 pokemon


The bigger key is that N is a person that isn't named Ash and not a Pokemon. To most people he's going to look like anime fodder or a Tales character.
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#103 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:34 AM | message detail
Okay I see.Also people that says nothing for Pokemon.Imagine a guy that sees N there and doesn't really know much about video-games.Will he vote him?No.But if Charizard or Pikachu is there?Yeah.
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#104 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:34 AM | message detail
So Bayonetta is on Captain Falcon's level?

Honestly no idea why Wander's still doing as badly as he has done in the past despite SOTC performing so much better in GOTD than it did in the games contest held just the previous year. Either SOTC's big boost came between BGE2 and CBVIII, or the game's boost was a flash in the pan.
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#105 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:39 AM | message detail
PokeFear indeed
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#106 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:45 AM | message detail
Key piece of data was this: lol non gen 1 or 2 pokemon

Gen 2 Pokemon may not be excused, but even if Lugia is a flop the Pokemon should win
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#107 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/23/2013 9:09:50 AM | message detail
Alucard > Falcon > Rydia > Bayonetta > N > Wander

Actually matches up kind of nicely.
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#108 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 7/23/2013 9:10:06 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
What a weak bunch today.


Bayonetta looks pretty good. Maybe better than Captain Falcon using Wander as a measuring stick. N looks okay.
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#109 | pjbasis | Posted 7/23/2013 9:10:40 AM | message detail
I want 50 from Bayonetta because I still think N is trash
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#110 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:11:05 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
So I'm reviewing the B8 wiki and just came across this:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GFNW

Then I checked my bracket and realize.. I have Gordon Freeman winning two rounds... damn.


Freeman is not that bad any more, most of the board has him winning in the first round


I don't understand why he was weak in the first place
Or was it HL2 that gave him a boost..?
#111 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:11:11 AM | message detail
Honestly no idea why Wander's still doing as badly as he has done in the past despite SOTC performing so much better in GOTD than it did in the games contest held just the previous year. Either SOTC's big boost came between BGE2 and CBVIII, or the game's boost was a flash in the pan.

games =/= characters
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#112 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/23/2013 9:11:32 AM | message detail
If Bayonetta holds or increases from here, I'd say the Expert Challenge for next round is very interesting. She has a chance at Alucard.
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#113 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/23/2013 9:11:59 AM | message detail
DAMMIT WANDER
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#114 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:12:37 AM | message detail
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Similarly, a female character is destroying a Pokemon character here, possibly rendering the whole Pokemon point moot (well, as a whole at least). So...what the heck happened to Samus against the Trainers during Rivalry Rumble?
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#115 | Rad Link 5 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:13:15 AM | message detail
Not exactly an inspiring start for Bayonetta, but a win's a win. And she always has time to increase her percentage.
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#116 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/23/2013 9:13:29 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Similarly, a female character is destroying a Pokemon character here, possibly rendering the whole Pokemon point moot (well, as a whole at least). So...what the heck happened to Samus against the Trainers during Rivalry Rumble?


Trainers are from Red/Blue/Yellow. GSC is not Red/Blue/Yellow, and N is not from RBY.
#117 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/23/2013 9:13:31 AM | message detail
What proportion of people who played SotC even know that Wander is the dude's name?
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#118 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/23/2013 9:13:41 AM | message detail
I don't think Bayonetta has a chance at Alucard. The result against Wander probably isn't entirely legit - 3rd place factor and all that. She should look respectable, though.
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#119 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:14:08 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Similarly, a female character is destroying a Pokemon character here, possibly rendering the whole Pokemon point moot (well, as a whole at least). So...what the heck happened to Cloud/Sephiroth against the Trainers during Rivalry Rumble?


fixed
then again, that was the only good match of the whole contest
#120 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:14:09 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
So I'm reviewing the B8 wiki and just came across this:

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/GFNW

Then I checked my bracket and realize.. I have Gordon Freeman winning two rounds... damn.


Freeman is not that bad any more, most of the board has him winning in the first round


I don't understand why he was weak in the first place
Or was it HL2 that gave him a boost..?


He was weak because he's never seen, heard, or called by name in the original Half-Life, and he was marketed as just an ordinary scientist. Then for Half-Life 2 Valve started marketing the character, and characters addressed him by name in the game.
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#121 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:14:18 AM | message detail
Wait for the kiddies
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#122 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/23/2013 9:15:22 AM | message detail
Literally calling the match 3 updates in.

We've seen winners getting smashed worse this early.
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#123 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:16:23 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Similarly, a female character is destroying a Pokemon character here, possibly rendering the whole Pokemon point moot (well, as a whole at least). So...what the heck happened to Samus against the Trainers during Rivalry Rumble?


On the other hand
The main points against N as people pointed out is that he is a human from the fifth gen
So it says nothing about Charizard,Mewtwo and Pikachu
#124 | NewerShadow | Posted 7/23/2013 9:16:34 AM | message detail
From: LinkMarioSamus | #114
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Is Link a female character now or something?
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#125 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:16:49 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
What proportion of people who played SotC even know that Wander is the dude's name?


Speak of the devil...yes, that's probably a huge problem for Wander. He also has no obvious characterization in his game, and obviously isn't anything special without the subtle characterization he receives.

I'm a huge fan of his because of how sorry I feel for him as I progress through SOTC. I guess that doesn't really count as characterization though.
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#126 | vcharon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:17:04 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Literally calling the match 3 updates in.

We've seen winners getting smashed worse this early.


He's closer to Wander than Bayonetta now.
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#127 | Xuxon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:18:49 AM | message detail
From: TsunamiXXVIII | Posted: 7/23/2013 12:15:22 PM | #122
Literally calling the match 3 updates in.

We've seen winners getting smashed worse this early.

wait you don't really think N still has a chance do you? there's absolutely no reason for N to be this bad for 15 minutes if he was going to win in the end.
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#128 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 7/23/2013 9:18:50 AM | message detail
Heh, I still don't want to call Alucard/Falcon.

BayoNetta, on the other hand...
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#129 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:19:00 AM | message detail
NewerShadow posted...
From: LinkMarioSamus | #114
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Is Link a female character now or something?


I was referring to how Metroid Fusion vastly exceeded expectations against Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, cluing us in to Pokemon consistently disappointing throughout the contest (RSE's 40% on Mario Galaxy was probably the only time the series looked impressive. Aside from that, even RSE itself needed a 4chan rally to beat the weakest GTA, and GSC/DPP's failures have been well-documented) and Metroid Prime impressing.
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#130 | Achromatic | Posted 7/23/2013 9:20:23 AM | message detail
As is tradition, let us make fun of our brother.

#338 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/23/2013 3:49:10 AM | message detail
izNotPerfect posted...

Bayonetta > Wander > N

discuss



SpyroN vs. Clemenetta vs. Reynder.

Only Bayonetta's got a lot more ass for N to whip. The more I think about this match, the more I think I'm being stupid by holding N under 50%.


#327 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/23/2013 3:44:34 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...

If N wins his first round match Pokemon is going to run over this entire bracket. You can't get many more negatives attached to a Pokemon character than you have with N

- Is a human
- Is from a game late in the series
- Is a pretty polarizing character in his own right
- Arguably not even the most important human character in his game



Yeah, but there's one positive that overwhelms all of that: he's facing two pieces of utter crap fodder. Also,

- Is a pretty polarizing character in his own right



is just something that you guys made up to make you feel better about picking Bayonetta to actually win a match. As wrong as it ended up being, at least in Tharja/Juliet/Tina it was somewhat defensible to go against Nintendo--Borderlands 2 was the Game of the Year in 2012 and probably the most recognizable character was the one with the least natural strength, Juliet.

There's really no defending this one. If you put Bayonetta in Juliet's spot, I doubt the match result changes much at all. Bayonetta would get third in that match, and she's a distant second in this one but at least has the benefit of the awful Wander keeping her out of third.

But make no mistake: She will finish closer to Wander than to N.


Poor Tsunami.
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#131 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:20:27 AM | message detail
Okay, Wander's above 20% now, and seems to be doing much better against Bayonetta than he did against Captain Falcon last contest.
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#132 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:22:03 AM | message detail
Updated Top 10

Top 10 Closest Matches
1. Alucard – 36.32% vs. Captain Falcon – 35.95% - Round 1 – 0.37%
2. Tharja – 36.21% vs. Tiny Tina – 35.35% - Round 1 – 0.86%
3. Captain Viridian – 13.51% vs. Peacock – 11.60% - Round 1 – 1.91%
4. Hero – 25.76% vs. Rinoa Heartilly – 23.26% - Round 1 – 2.50%
5. Isaac – 15.36% vs. Tingle – 11.97% - Round 1 – 3.39%
6. Miles Edgeworth – 28.18% vs. Agent 47 – 23.63% - Round 1 – 4.55%
7. Chrom – 29.78% vs. Heavy – 24.61% - Round 1 – 5.17%
8. Crash Bandicoot – 42.59% vs. Wheatley – 36.76% - Round 1 – 5.83%
9. Midna – 24.55% vs. Little Mac – 18.08% - Round 1 – 6.47%
10. Fei Fong Wong – 20.17% vs. Dan Hibiki – 13.53% - Round 1 – 6.64%

Top 10 Smallest Night Vote Gaps
1. Alucard – 10242 vs. Captain Falcon – 10139 – Round 1 – 103
2. Tharja – 11016 vs. Tiny Tina – 10753 – Round 1 – 263
3. Captain Viridian – 3128 vs. Peacock – 2685 – Round 1 – 443
4. Isaac – 4443 vs. Tingle – 3463 – Round 1 – 980
5. Crash Bandicoot – 11242 vs. Wheatley – 9702 – Round 1 – 1540
6. Midna – 6922 vs. Little Mac – 5098 – Round 1 – 1824
7. Poison – 8157 vs. Thrall – 6277 – Round 1 – 1880
8. Elizabeth – 10217 vs. Poison – 8157 – Round 1 – 2060
9. Tiny Tina – 10753 vs. Juliet Starling – 8651 – Round 1 – 2102
10. Phoenix Wright – 11914 vs. Marth – 9699 – Round 1 – 2215

Top 5 Most Popular Night Polls
1. Draven vs. Jak vs. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 39737
2. Tharja vs. Tiny Tina vs. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 30420
3. Yoshi vs. Solaire of Astora vs. Demi-Fiend – Round 1 – 30487
4. Link vs. Isaac vs. Tingle – Round 1 – 28930
5. Alucard vs. Captain Falcon vs. Rydia – Round 1 – 28202

Top 5 Least Impressive Night Winners
1. Elizabeth – Round 1 – 10217
2. Alucard – Round 1 – 10242
3. Tharja – Round 1 – 11016
4. Crash Bandicoot – Round 1 – 11242
5. Phoenix Wright – Round 1 – 11914

Top 10 Most Impressive Night Losers
1. Jak – Round 1 – 13191
2. Garrus Vakarian – Round 1 – 11143
3. Tiny Tina – Round 1 – 10753
4. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 10465
5. Captain Falcon – Round 1 – 10139
6. Wheatley – Round 1 – 9702
7. Marth – Round 1 – 9699
8. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 8651
9. Lucina – Round 1 – 8227
10. Poison – Round 1 – 8157

Top 10 Least Predictable Matches
1. Draven vs. Jak vs. Chie Satonaka – Round 1 – 38.19%
2. Crash Bandicoot vs. Wheatley vs. Tommy Vercetti – Round 1 – 40.90%
3. Tharja vs. Tiny Tina vs. Juliet Starling – Round 1 – 42.49%
4. Morrigan Aensland vs. Miles Edgeworth vs. Agent 47 – Round 1 – 45.15%
5. Barret Wallace vs. Professor Layton vs. Reimu Hakurei – Round 1 – 51.28%
6. Alucard vs. Captain Falcon vs. Rydia – Round 1 – 51.46%
7. The Boss vs. Chrom vs. Heavy – Round 1 – 52.99%
8. Sub-Zero vs. Garrus Vakarian vs. Frank West – Round 1 – 58.54%
9. Vincent Valentine vs. KOS-MOS vs. Dunban – Round 1 – 61.03%
10. Phoenix Wright vs. Marth vs. Nightmare – Round 1 – 64.74%
10. Ness vs. Locke Cole vs. CATS – Round 1 – 64.74%
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#133 | vcharon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:22:24 AM | message detail
Down almost 300 15 minutes in to "distant second place" Bayonetta.
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#134 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:23:16 AM | message detail
If you keep dropping like that N Wander is going to start cutting
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#135 | vcharon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:23:33 AM | message detail
I predict Wander will cut at least once within this hour.
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#136 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 7/23/2013 9:23:33 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Okay, Wander's above 20% now, and seems to be doing much better against Bayonetta than he did against Captain Falcon last contest.


By like, 1.5%, just after the match starts. The two performances are still very close.
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#137 | --Smurf-- | Posted 7/23/2013 9:23:47 AM | message detail
Wander
Reimu
CATS

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#138 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 9:25:18 AM | message detail
Wander vs. Tommy Vercetti more like.
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#139 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/23/2013 9:26:18 AM | message detail
vcharon posted...
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Literally calling the match 3 updates in.

We've seen winners getting smashed worse this early.


He's closer to Wander than Bayonetta now.


And Draven was closer to Chie than to Jak. Because Chie was closer to Jak than to Draven. While there is no reason to expect a rally here, my statement is still completely true.
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#140 | vcharon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:27:06 AM | message detail
Your statement is completely lol.
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#141 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/23/2013 9:27:26 AM | message detail
NewerShadow posted...
From: LinkMarioSamus | #114
This reminds me of how we went into GOTD with POKEFEAR on the mind and then a female character's game completely destroyed that.

Is Link a female character now or something?


Link's always been female. And his name is Zelda.
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#142 | Denzokuken | Posted 7/23/2013 9:28:04 AM | message detail
I think Tsunami is broken.
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#143 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:28:24 AM | message detail
no one cares about N he's a doofus
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#144 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:28:25 AM | message detail
Bayonetta looking better, can't really tell until next round, but she's welcome in a 128 character bracket any time.
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#145 | Steins_Gate | Posted 7/23/2013 9:28:35 AM | message detail
Right now N is more likely to fall behind Wander than overtake Bayonetta. My 1.5x Bayo against N predix is very possible.

Sorry Tsunami, there was never a chance.
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#146 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 7/23/2013 9:28:40 AM | message detail
Tsunami you're funny.
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#147 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:29:14 AM | message detail
And Draven was closer to Chie than to Jak. Because Chie was closer to Jak than to Draven. While there is no reason to expect a rally here, my statement is still completely true.

What makes you think Pokemon will rally
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#148 | raginbull911 | Posted 7/23/2013 9:29:54 AM | message detail
So is Bayonetta stronger than some people gave her credit for? Or did some people just vastly overestimate the Pokemon association with N?

Either way, this is getting ugly fast.
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#149 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/23/2013 9:30:07 AM | message detail
Oh, I've conceded this match. But I refuse to concede my point that Chie was smashing Draven worse at this point of the match than Bayonetta's smashing N now.

Not Jak. Chie.
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#150 | vcharon | Posted 7/23/2013 9:31:01 AM | message detail
It's an invalid point because Draven does suck, naturally. He needed a rally offsite to win the match, otherwise he is literally weaker than Persona. It doesn't have anything at all to do with this match because it was a special circumstance of hardcore rallying.
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