Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1072

#351 | Steins_Gate | Posted 7/23/2013 12:59:46 AM | message detail
I don't think I've ever seen more delusion in regards to a few loud individuals insisting a total fodder character has strength than the next match. And I was one of the losers who took Ramza of Hogger, for god's sake.
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#352 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/23/2013 1:00:33 AM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Based on these trends, it's not a stretch to assume that Rydia is hurting Alucard a bit more. She's showing just as strong a night vote as he is.


Does that necessarily follow? I mean, in a match like Mario/Cloud/Sora you've got two strong day vote characters, but all the dead weight is certainly going to be on Cloud.

I'm just niggling at this point though idk
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#353 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/23/2013 1:01:16 AM | message detail
I think Wander is just going to be viewed as completely irrelevant in the poll. There's too many '3rd place characters' getting destroyed that really shouldn't be.
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#354 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/23/2013 1:02:20 AM | message detail
If you adjust Rydia up for LPF she's actually creaming these two jokers. Damn you LPF
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#355 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 1:02:23 AM | message detail
I deduced that Bayonetta is probably worth around 30% on Dante, which would make her worth about 60% on Wander. Sounds about right.

The seeds are in exactly the opposite order of game popularity on this site, too. Wander could be much stronger now since his game was a beast in GOTD.
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#356 | Steins_Gate | Posted 7/23/2013 1:02:26 AM | message detail
I think there's a very distinct possibility of Wander making a run at N for second.

I wouldn't bet on it, though.
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#357 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/23/2013 1:02:38 AM | message detail
Fair point, but I just ran a bunch of examples in my head and it just seems that characters that share very similar trends would overlap a little more. I think that changes for very recent games, though. I'm pretty sure something like Mass Effect is day-oriented, but I doubt that overlaps any more with Nintendo than it does with Sony.
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#358 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 1:04:20 AM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised if Wander wins. His game would crush either of his opponents' games in a games contest, Bayonetta is probably worth only around 60% on 2010 Wander, and then if Wander has boosted...and we've already discussed N.
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#359 | Rad_Dudesman | Posted 7/23/2013 1:06:09 AM | message detail | (edited)
I know nothing about Wander except how Falcon embarrassed him in Winter 2010
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#360 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/23/2013 1:06:45 AM | message detail
I think Bayonetta rolls this so easily. The series and the character has just gotten way too much exposure recently, and it never, never hurts to have the game named after you. Plus, I think we're forgetting that Bayonetta actually had a pretty good ad campaign. She's got some good stuff going for her.
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#361 | Lopen | Posted 7/23/2013 1:11:07 AM | message detail
Wander is a great example of games != characters.

No one except for HM gives two ****s about Wander. That game is all about the colossi. I'd be shocked if Wander broke 20%
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#362 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/23/2013 1:11:13 AM | message detail
WellThoughtName posted...
How high would Rydia go on the FF power ranking? Her performance is pretty good there tbqh.


Prolly Solid Mid. Which I am ok with.

Cloud Seph

Vince Auron Squall Tifa Zack

Vivi Kefka Terra Cecil Tidus Yuna

Balthier Celes(atm but cna change depending) Sin

Ramza :(


Dunno where to put the rest.
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#363 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/23/2013 1:11:15 AM | message detail
Bayonetta could stand to have a bit more 'oomph' in her picture (with all the amazing art she has that one almost comes off as a bit of an attempt at sabotage), but she should really be able to take the match on name power alone.

If there's any justice...!
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#364 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/23/2013 1:14:16 AM | message detail
Look on the bright side:

At least Ramza might still beat Vaan!
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#365 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/23/2013 1:15:16 AM | message detail
Well thats true
Vaan is never getting in here though
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#366 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/23/2013 1:24:50 AM | message detail
Damn, it has turned into a boring stallfest.
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#367 | KingBartz | Posted 7/23/2013 1:25:31 AM | message detail
Alucard can't win this. He's cut like 25 votes in the past hour
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#368 | Sorozone | Posted 7/23/2013 1:28:46 AM | message detail
A cut over 15, too little too late probably. Either that or more stall by Falcon for the next 45 minutes.
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#369 | --Smurf-- | Posted 7/23/2013 1:30:13 AM | message detail
That's a really awful Bayonetta pic and this match is making me have second thoughts about the site having moved on from voting Nintendo over everything in droves regardless the character.
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#370 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/23/2013 1:33:16 AM | message detail
To hell with it! My expert's toast now and I love Pokemon. N > Bayonetta, here we go!
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#371 | swirIdude | Posted 7/23/2013 1:35:37 AM | message detail
--Smurf-- posted...
That's a really awful Bayonetta pic and this match is making me have second thoughts about the site having moved on from voting Nintendo over everything in droves regardless the character.


There are three groups of people.

Crazy people who fangasm over N.

People who played Black/White but don't care about N.

People who haven't played Black/White.

Guess which one is the only one that will vote N in droves? And guess which one is the smallest group?
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#372 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/23/2013 1:37:54 AM | message detail
I don't care about N but he is from Pokemon and I didn't play Bayonetta and SotC is aweful
#373 | Lopen | Posted 7/23/2013 1:42:07 AM | message detail
Wow that Bayonetta pic is awful kinda having some doubts now.
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#374 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/23/2013 1:45:48 AM | message detail
But she got The Butt Factor
#375 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/23/2013 1:50:48 AM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Wander is a great example of games != characters.

No one except for HM and LMS gives two ****s about Wander. That game is all about the colossi. I'd be shocked if Wander broke 20%


Fixed. But honestly, I was playing SOTC a few days ago and I don't understand how any fan of the game wouldn't care for Wander.
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#376 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/23/2013 2:00:18 AM | message detail
What proportion of people who played SotC even know that Wander is his name?

I'd guess it's not all that high.
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#377 | KingBartz | Posted 7/23/2013 2:18:14 AM | message detail
From: LinkMarioSamus | #375
Lopen posted...
Wander is a great example of games != characters.

No one except for HM and LMS gives two ****s about Wander. That game is all about the colossi. I'd be shocked if Wander broke 20%


Fixed. But honestly, I was playing SOTC a few days ago and I don't understand how any fan of the game wouldn't care for Wander.


Because Wander is about as interesting as you are, LMS
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#378 | Denzokuken | Posted 7/23/2013 2:44:34 AM | message detail
40 votes cut in 10 minutes now. Shame about the 2 hour stall.
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#379 | Rad_Dudesman | Posted 7/23/2013 2:51:45 AM | message detail
Falcon awaits his morning vote
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#380 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:09:21 AM | message detail
AxemRedRanger posted...
Look on the bright side:

At least Ramza might still beat Vaan!


The day Vaan is stronger than Ramza is the day my brain hemorrhages and I die on the spot.

Also, am I the only one who's most impressed with Rydia here? Going up against two popular characters having a close match, and she's holding her own when we've seen third wheels time after time just completely fold and get left behind, even when they have a reason to do respectably.

Ditch Cecil and keep Rydia in these contests in the future imho
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#381 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/23/2013 3:10:12 AM | message detail
Well, this match gives me zero confidence in taking Cecil for the upset in his match.

CRAP
#382 | Achromatic | Posted 7/23/2013 3:12:55 AM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
Well, this match gives me zero confidence in taking Cecil for the upset in his match.

CRAP


... Are you insane? Rydia doing this well against Falcon and Alucard is amazing for her.
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#383 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:15:28 AM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
Well, this match gives me zero confidence in taking Cecil for the upset in his match.

CRAP


Why?

Pit and Wrex aren't stronger than these dudes.

...I wouldn't be totally surprised if Rydia was on Cecil's level though!
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#384 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/23/2013 3:16:31 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
ffmasterjose posted...
Well, this match gives me zero confidence in taking Cecil for the upset in his match.

CRAP


Why?

Pit and Wrex aren't stronger than these dudes.

...I wouldn't be totally surprised if Rydia was on Cecil's level though!


Going off this match, Rydia would win Cecil's match easily.
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#385 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/23/2013 3:19:13 AM | message detail
Call me crazy fellas, but until this match I thought Captain Falcon was supposed to be terrible. I thought Rydia easily had 2nd place.

I have a really bad feeling about Cecil is all. I hope I'm wrong and he kicks ass.
#386 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:20:12 AM | message detail
You're crazy, dude.

Falcon got 30% on Cloud in 2010 and beat Riku straight up. He's legit.
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#387 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/23/2013 3:29:14 AM | message detail
Just took another look at who else Cecil has to face, and now I feel slightly better about him advancing :D

Man, why was I under the impression that Falcon was so bad
#388 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/23/2013 3:30:38 AM | message detail
I woke up and I check the results.Okay what is going on?Everyone had Alucard winning and now this?Nintendofaqs for sure.Prepare for an extremely low prediction percentage again.
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#389 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/23/2013 3:32:42 AM | message detail
I don't see Pit being that much weaker than Falcon nowadays, though.
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#390 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:37:47 AM | message detail
I wouldn't take Pit to beat Falcon. Ever.

I'm sure Uprising helped, but the dude went 50/50 with King Dedede once. That's not a good thing.
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#391 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:41:00 AM | message detail
Also, I doubt Alucard ever ends up taking the lead now. Falcon's already starting to recover from his night vote, and he should start consistently winning updates again within the next 1-2 hours.
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#392 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/23/2013 3:44:08 AM | message detail
Also, how would Rydia/Magus look according to this result?
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#393 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/23/2013 3:44:33 AM | message detail
Man, Rydia is doing this well on pure FF4 strength. I think Cecil would be able to take this match and is making me feel fantastic about taking him to Round 3.
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#394 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:45:24 AM | message detail
#395 | Polycosm | Posted 7/23/2013 3:46:31 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Also, I doubt Alucard ever ends up taking the lead now. Falcon's already starting to recover from his night vote, and he should start consistently winning updates again within the next 1-2 hours.

Still, I can't help but feel hopeful for a comeback. It looks possible, though not probable, for the reasons you stated.
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#396 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/23/2013 3:47:24 AM | message detail
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Man, Rydia is doing this well on pure FF4 strength. I think Cecil would be able to take this match and is making me feel fantastic about taking him to Round 3.


Actually kind of glad I'm not the only person on the board who has Cecil winning 2 matches

>_>

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#397 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/23/2013 3:48:16 AM | message detail
Rydia has two things Cecil doesn't
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#398 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/23/2013 3:49:13 AM | message detail
People talked a bit earlier about making The Boss the new fodderline, but after seeing Isaac's performance, I'm gonna say make Isaac the fodderline. 22% on Solid Snake should be pretty close.

But more than that, Isaac sucks. It's nice that he doesn't blather endlessly like the other characters in Golden Sun, but he makes it up for it in later games. It's a bad sign that the universal response to him there is "oh god please go back to not talking." I feel the guy's a complete leech off a decent strength game and basically has no real appeal of his own. If you want claim to being even remotely strong, you should be able to beat this loser.

Serious question: does anyone here actually like Isaac?
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#399 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/23/2013 3:49:21 AM | message detail
BK_Sheikah00 posted...
Also, how would Rydia/Magus look according to this result?


Rydia wins a with a bit more than 53% on 2010 Magus.

For the sake of comedy, in 2005 Magus was expected to get 73% on Cecil.

Also Leon you're right, I forgot Last Place Factor Rydia is underperforming by about 15% because of it. That's how it works, right?
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#400 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/23/2013 3:49:54 AM | message detail
Lots of people have Cecil winning two matches!

Like me!

Pit being such a big favorite kinda baffled me. Not sure where that came from. Can't see a 3DS game boosting Pit that much, no matter how well received it was, since he's not that strong in the first place. I know Pit has never gotten a fair match without getting shackled with another Nintendo guy, but 48% on Knuckles in a day match is way better than anything Pit has ever done.
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