Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1070

#351 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/21/2013 12:51:26 PM | message detail
Big Boss vs Luigi will be fun to watch.Shepard beat Aeris easily I believe.
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#352 | Sorozone | Posted 7/21/2013 12:53:35 PM | message detail
I'm not buying MGSV hype. It'd be more understandable if it was close to release.

It's Year of Luigi, with New Super Luigi U coming 3 days after that match occurs. If anything the hype train will be on Luigi.
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#353 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 12:54:36 PM | message detail
I seriously doubt this site cares much about games being released for the Wii U.
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#354 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/21/2013 12:57:28 PM | message detail
While it was fun to see LMS getting slapped around, I think Yo is quite right. He's just presenting a different set of stats. If anything, I treat him like a Devil's Advocate. If I can't understand why his argument is wrong, then maybe he said something worth looking into a little further.
#355 | ZinsanityCraze | Posted 7/21/2013 12:57:33 PM | message detail
New Super Luigi U hype? What the.....
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#356 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/21/2013 12:59:24 PM | message detail
Year of Luigi Hype I guess I can accept but I don't know why that'd create more Luigi fans.. he's not an unkown or anything. I'd accept a boost from Luigi's Mansion 2 before "Year of Luigi".
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#357 | Sorozone | Posted 7/21/2013 1:00:11 PM | message detail
I'm not buying into either hype. I should make that clear. I'm just saying if you are going to buy into one it would make more sense into buying into the one that has the release closer to the match.

Sometimes that has an effect, sometimes it doesn't. Hype trains are completely overblown factor.
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#358 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 1:02:47 PM | message detail
Hype trains are probably things that don't get enough credit, if anything.
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#359 | superange128 | Posted 7/21/2013 1:04:23 PM | message detail
TheOneAboveAll posted...
While it was fun to see LMS getting slapped around, I think Yo is quite right. He's just presenting a different set of stats. If anything, I treat him like a Devil's Advocate. If I can't understand why his argument is wrong, then maybe he said something worth looking into a little further.


If people don't want to respond to him they don't necessarily have to read his posts or respond to them..
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#360 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/21/2013 1:06:24 PM | message detail
Master Chief hyped up on Game Fuel was a sight to see
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#361 | Sorozone | Posted 7/21/2013 1:14:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, but the train needs steam. MGSV train is just on a slow, patient burn right now. Now if a release date(or significant news) gets announced around the time of the match(which could potentially happen) it'll gain steam again, which will eventually die down again until its close to the actual release.

But in that window, the hype train will be going again.

MGS is obviously bigger than some Luigi title, it has that going for it. I'm just not going to attribute a dead news section for MGSV as a hype train. It can only last for so long.

Essentially what I'm saying, as of right now, that time of the match, MGSV will be in a dead news time, Luigi won't be. Which everything could be changed by a simple announcement of relevance.
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#362 | Advokaiser | Posted 7/21/2013 1:15:13 PM | message detail
*looks at previous poll*

So Poison beat Thrall after all, huh?

Enough! I'm done with following the popular opinion, Crash will beat Wheatley and that's it!

*slams the door*
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#363 | scaryice | Posted 7/21/2013 1:21:21 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Hasn't everyone shooting down your whiny PMs given you the hint that NO ONE wants you posting here, LMS?

Go away.


Wow, what a jerk. You don't get to decide who posts here.
#364 | pjbasis | Posted 7/21/2013 1:22:54 PM | message detail
As a community we can sure try!
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#365 | ZFS | Posted 7/21/2013 1:26:29 PM | message detail
"Year of Luigi" is just a new renewed focus on Luigi. Since these contests started, I don't think there's been a year where Luigi had more attention and was more relevant than now. I wouldn't say Luigi's getting exposed to a new audience or anything, because that's not really the purpose, but you get a bunch of Luigi themed games (Luigi's Mansion 2, New Super Luigi U, Mario & Luigi, etc.) and a bunch of marketing potentially push people into his corner. I think LM2 is a bigger deal than MGS5 hype, anyway, but I guess we'll see! The other side of this is that people are kinda down on Nintendo, and that tends to hit Mario characters harder than others.
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#366 | Qwaar | Posted 7/21/2013 1:34:11 PM | message detail
Wow, didn't expect to wake up and be in the top 50.
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#367 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 1:44:20 PM | message detail
On the other hand, the Mario series is pretty much Nintendo's big thing now so that may cancel it out, if not boost the characters. There's probably a reason why Super Mario Galaxy did so much better at resisting SFF from Brawl/TP in the Game of the Generation poll than in any previous polls or contest matches, and Mario characters have been doing so well this contest. You could say that "no one actually cares about those games", but I rarely see anyone actively hate on them and Mario represents what the company is doing best now, as opposed to in say 2002-2010 where the combined one-two blow of Super Mario Sunshine being a disappointment and Nintendo giving other franchises like Zelda and Metroid more focus relegated the series to the backburner in the eyes of most gamers.

Also, I see a lot more hate for post-N64 Zelda games and Metroid: Other M now than I did back in 2011 and earlier (same true of Final Fantasy XIII, but that isn't really related), so it could be those two particular franchises people are feeling down on due to them not getting anything particularly significant for a while.

Come to think of it, am I the only one who feels that Super Mario Sunshine ended up doing visible damage to the series? When I was watching a review of it I found it really interesting how far from series tradition it veered (then again I felt exactly the same way about Metroid: Other M...I think I just have a thing for games that try to change bigtime from their mainline series, though maybe that goes doubly so for Nintendo since Nintendo games that try to change a whole lot are a rarity), and found that to be a doubly interesting point in a day and age where Nintendo is playing it way too safe with that series. Considering how Sunshine was not received well in comparison to other big Mario games, from both a commercial and critical standpoint, it almost feels as if recent Mario games have been playing it too safe to make up for Sunshine.

Also I don't see how Metroid is anymore dead than Zelda or "proper" Mario at this point, assuming that personal opinions are factored out. In fact, right now I feel that Super Metroid did more to kill the series back in its time than Other M has done recently.
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#368 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 1:45:25 PM | message detail
ZFS posted...
"Year of Luigi" is just a new renewed focus on Luigi. Since these contests started, I don't think there's been a year where Luigi had more attention and was more relevant than now. I wouldn't say Luigi's getting exposed to a new audience or anything, because that's not really the purpose, but you get a bunch of Luigi themed games (Luigi's Mansion 2, New Super Luigi U, Mario & Luigi, etc.) and a bunch of marketing potentially push people into his corner. I think LM2 is a bigger deal than MGS5 hype, anyway, but I guess we'll see! The other side of this is that people are kinda down on Nintendo, and that tends to hit Mario characters harder than others.


To summarize from the big wall of text I just wrote, I have a feeling that this year it will be Samus and Zelda characters who take the big hit while Mario characters remain relatively safe, possibly even boosting themselves.
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#369 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/21/2013 2:08:25 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Peach/Ness

I almost want to see this match to see who this site cares about less.


If the levels of apathy are anywhere close to even in America, Peach takes that match. The recent WiiU VC release of Earthbound was the first ever in PAL regions, so Ness is drawing solely from Smash over there. This being NostalgiaFAQs, a character that in essence had no games of his own until 2013 isn't going to do much.
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#370 | WellThoughtName | Posted 7/21/2013 2:09:55 PM | message detail
I really wonder why Cirno, Marisa and Reimu got in from touhou.

Chen would've been a much better idea.

She has an INCREDIBLE rally potential, she's pretty much one of original internet memes, and unlike CATS, one that is still alive today.
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#371 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/21/2013 2:10:35 PM | message detail
scaryice posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Hasn't everyone shooting down your whiny PMs given you the hint that NO ONE wants you posting here, LMS?

Go away.


Wow, what a jerk. You don't get to decide who posts here.


You must be new here. This is Ulti. He's kind of a big deal.
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#372 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/21/2013 2:11:37 PM | message detail
WellThoughtName posted...
I really wonder why Cirno, Marisa and Reimu got in from touhou.

Chen would've been a much better idea.

She has an INCREDIBLE rally potential, she's pretty much one of original internet memes, and unlike CATS, one that is still alive today.


Reimu and Marisa are the main characters and this is the ninth Character Battle. Pretty simple.
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#373 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/21/2013 2:13:33 PM | message detail
I dont understand why (5)Auron, (14) Revolver Ocelot, and (23) Roxas are paired up when all of the other 5,14,23 matches are worthless
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#374 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 7/21/2013 2:16:20 PM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
scaryice posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Hasn't everyone shooting down your whiny PMs given you the hint that NO ONE wants you posting here, LMS?

Go away.


Wow, what a jerk. You don't get to decide who posts here.


You must be new here. This is Ulti. He's kind of a big deal.


Being a big deal and being a jerk are not mutually exclusive things.
#375 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/21/2013 2:17:45 PM | message detail
Never even heard of Chen

I heard of the ones that got in to this contest though
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#376 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 7/21/2013 2:18:12 PM | message detail
to be fair LMS has a long history of being LMS
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#377 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/21/2013 2:18:36 PM | message detail
Im not fan of LMS as he is mini-Vlado but there is nothing wrong with his posts in this topic tbh
#378 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 7/21/2013 2:20:10 PM | message detail | (edited)
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ZFS posted...
"Year of Luigi" is just a new renewed focus on Luigi. Since these contests started, I don't think there's been a year where Luigi had more attention and was more relevant than now. I wouldn't say Luigi's getting exposed to a new audience or anything, because that's not really the purpose, but you get a bunch of Luigi themed games (Luigi's Mansion 2, New Super Luigi U, Mario & Luigi, etc.) and a bunch of marketing potentially push people into his corner. I think LM2 is a bigger deal than MGS5 hype, anyway, but I guess we'll see! The other side of this is that people are kinda down on Nintendo, and that tends to hit Mario characters harder than others.


To summarize from the big wall of text I just wrote, I have a feeling that this year it will be Samus and Zelda characters who take the big hit while Mario characters remain relatively safe, possibly even boosting themselves.


I've been thinking the same thing, Zelda and Metroid have been kind of losing popularity lately, while Mario remains more or less the same.

Still, Link is a monster, and Gamefaqs seems to be immune to events that are described by the word "lately".
#379 | superange128 | Posted 7/21/2013 2:20:29 PM | message detail
Mass Effect seems to be the exception to the lately rule but otherwise yeah
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#380 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 7/21/2013 2:21:57 PM | message detail
WellThoughtName posted...
I really wonder why Cirno, Marisa and Reimu got in from touhou.

Chen would've been a much better idea.

She has an INCREDIBLE rally potential, she's pretty much one of original internet memes, and unlike CATS, one that is still alive today.


Because we Touhou fans like Marisa and Cirno more and kind of accepted some people were gonna give Reimu noms in the process?
#381 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 2:29:37 PM | message detail
ZeldaTPLink posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
ZFS posted...
"Year of Luigi" is just a new renewed focus on Luigi. Since these contests started, I don't think there's been a year where Luigi had more attention and was more relevant than now. I wouldn't say Luigi's getting exposed to a new audience or anything, because that's not really the purpose, but you get a bunch of Luigi themed games (Luigi's Mansion 2, New Super Luigi U, Mario & Luigi, etc.) and a bunch of marketing potentially push people into his corner. I think LM2 is a bigger deal than MGS5 hype, anyway, but I guess we'll see! The other side of this is that people are kinda down on Nintendo, and that tends to hit Mario characters harder than others.


To summarize from the big wall of text I just wrote, I have a feeling that this year it will be Samus and Zelda characters who take the big hit while Mario characters remain relatively safe, possibly even boosting themselves.


I've been thinking the same thing, Zelda and Metroid have been kind of losing popularity lately, while Mario remains more or less the same.

Still, Link is a monster, and Gamefaqs seems to be immune to events that are described by the word "lately".


Yeah I don't think something as insane as Mario beating Link will happen, but I do feel that Link and co. will be weaker this contest.
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#382 | WellThoughtName | Posted 7/21/2013 2:32:06 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
WellThoughtName posted...
I really wonder why Cirno, Marisa and Reimu got in from touhou.

Chen would've been a much better idea.

She has an INCREDIBLE rally potential, she's pretty much one of original internet memes, and unlike CATS, one that is still alive today.


Because we Touhou fans like Marisa and Cirno more and kind of accepted some people were gonna give Reimu noms in the process?


B-but.. honk honk.
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#383 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 2:41:10 PM | message detail
scaryice posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Hasn't everyone shooting down your whiny PMs given you the hint that NO ONE wants you posting here, LMS?

Go away.


Wow, what a jerk. You don't get to decide who posts here.


You literally know nothing about LMS's trolling or the HUNDREDS of pms he's sent to people going "boohoo please like me?" afterwards.

So in short, unless you actually know what you're talking about, shut the hell up.
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#384 | Achromatic | Posted 7/21/2013 2:43:14 PM | message detail
Geesh Ulti, so violent.
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#385 | Whiskey_Nick | Posted 7/21/2013 2:46:51 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
Geesh Ulti, so violent.


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#386 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/21/2013 3:20:57 PM | message detail
Sorozone posted...
I still think Luigi can squeak by Big Boss, even with Ness in there. The votals should be higher in that match to the previous Big Boss match by probably a good 7,000 or so. I mean the votals were so bad in that match I have to assume the mentality was "Big Boss or no one". Because Peacock and Viridian are no ones, and you aren't going to anti vote Big Boss. And by the same token you aren't going to anti-vote Luigi. So the extra votals should go a long way for one of them.


I think a match such as Sephiroth/Chester/Tanner would get even less votes than the Big Boss match. In Sephiroth/Chester/Tanner, a lot of voters want to anti-vote Sephiroth, but they can't vote for Chester or Tanner because they don't know who they are. Sephiroth/Chester/Tanner would also be a test to see if Sephiroth can win the board vote over other characters.
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#387 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 3:55:51 PM | message detail
Psh, this is nothing,
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#388 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 3:56:43 PM | message detail
Apology Message

At least, an apology for the attitude I've had towards you (and probably some other B8'ers). It was extremely stupid. Like, literally dismissing people like you just because of your tastes in games...I have no idea what I was thinking there.

I want to say more but I really don't want to go into further detail. I know you'll probably reject this message and say that I don't really mean it. Fine. But I do mean what I say, at least this time. At the very least, getting upset over users having different tastes is idiotic, especially in the cases of games like ultra-popular games like Brawl and Shadow of the Colossus.


I'm pretty sure Leon4 and I have gotten some iteration of that PM about 30 times each by now and it's beyond pathetic.
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#389 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/21/2013 4:10:46 PM | message detail
Man, non-contest related drama in the stats topic. Feels like it's been a while.
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#390 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/21/2013 4:12:01 PM | message detail
Honestly I hear more complaining about MGSV because of Keifer replacing Hayter than anything, than I do for Hype.

to which my reply in my brain is "You people are seriously hating on Jack ****ing Bauer?"
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#391 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/21/2013 4:18:16 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Sorozone posted...
I still think Luigi can squeak by Big Boss, even with Ness in there. The votals should be higher in that match to the previous Big Boss match by probably a good 7,000 or so. I mean the votals were so bad in that match I have to assume the mentality was "Big Boss or no one". Because Peacock and Viridian are no ones, and you aren't going to anti vote Big Boss. And by the same token you aren't going to anti-vote Luigi. So the extra votals should go a long way for one of them.


I think a match such as Sephiroth/Chester/Tanner would get even less votes than the Big Boss match. In Sephiroth/Chester/Tanner, a lot of voters want to anti-vote Sephiroth, but they can't vote for Chester or Tanner because they don't know who they are. Sephiroth/Chester/Tanner would also be a test to see if Sephiroth can win the board vote over other characters.


Why do you need to know Chester or Tanner to anti-vote Sephiroth? If you are anti-voting, all you really care about is that they aren't Sephiroth and also not some other character you also like to anti-vote (like Cloud).
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#392 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/21/2013 4:37:31 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
I'm pretty sure Leon4 and I have gotten some iteration of that PM about 30 times each by now and it's beyond pathetic.


If anything, you are making me sympathize more with the guy. He's actually been contributing stuff to the topic and bringing up valid ideas and topics of conversation related to the contest. Meanwhile, all I've really seen you do is the same "lol obvious result is obvious" bulls*** you've been parroting for years. If anything, LMS is contributing more to the contest than you, even if half the stuff he says is off-topic and irrelevant.
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#393 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/21/2013 4:38:44 PM | message detail
Votals are +3500-ish compared to this point yesterday. Having recognizable characters certainly helps a bit.
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#394 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 7/21/2013 4:41:48 PM | message detail
The board has matured. I wonder what it takes nowadays to have Ulti derail a topic.

The best: http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/2010-PizzaComesOnStrong.html
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#395 | izNotPerfect | Posted 7/21/2013 4:43:57 PM | message detail
Is anyone else having trouble predicting Kefka/Zack Fair/Ryu H?

I'm thinking Zack will take it, but there could be enough SFF from Kefka to put Ryu H in 1st.
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#396 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2013 4:45:21 PM | message detail
Yeah Peach is the strongest third place character so far and would win in other matches. The match gets negatives for having 2 Nintendo characters and no "big vote" names which will prevent it from being the highest, but it's good that we are getting out of this runt of low scoring matches.
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#397 | MegaWentEvil | Posted 7/21/2013 4:46:03 PM | message detail
The best: http://www.thengamer.com/gamefaqs/2010-PizzaComesOnStrong.html


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#398 | Robazoid | Posted 7/21/2013 4:49:18 PM | message detail
I once said Super Metroid was my favorite game ever and LMS basically went 'xfd what an idiot, so many better games in the genre, Metroid fans are the worst'.

He deserves everything he gets for his consistent, terrible attitude.
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#399 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2013 4:49:51 PM | message detail
Is anyone else having trouble predicting Kefka/Zack Fair/Ryu H?

I'm thinking Zack will take it, but there could be enough SFF from Kefka to put Ryu H in 1st.


Zack is the board favourite, but Hayabusa can take it if FFVII drops enough. Old Square and New Square do not have as much overlap as you'd think, but any bit helps Hayabusa.
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#400 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/21/2013 4:52:51 PM | message detail
I was totally on the fence and went for Zack at the last minute. Seeing how badly FFVII is doing so far makes me wish I stuck with Ryu.
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