Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1070

#301 | Sorozone | Posted 7/21/2013 10:51:35 AM | message detail
I still think Luigi can squeak by Big Boss, even with Ness in there. The votals should be higher in that match to the previous Big Boss match by probably a good 7,000 or so. I mean the votals were so bad in that match I have to assume the mentality was "Big Boss or no one". Because Peacock and Viridian are no ones, and you aren't going to anti vote Big Boss. And by the same token you aren't going to anti-vote Luigi. So the extra votals should go a long way for one of them.
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#302 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2013 11:00:00 AM | message detail
Squall got 35.48% on Terra in 2010, even assuming minimal SFF and Squall would 55/45 Kirby that would make Kirby/Terra a 60/40 match.

Would Luigi get 55% on Big Boss, I think it will be pretty close...
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#303 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 11:01:55 AM | message detail
Yeah I take it back, Big Boss has this.

Like, Terra is not strong and she still looks good because Peach is leeching Kirby. 2v1 is just not good for the 2 in a 3-way poll.
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#304 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:03:09 AM | message detail
Night match trend chart:

Time | Elizabeth | Poison | Thrall | Votes
0:05 | 51.36% | 22.66% | 25.98% | 331
1:00 | 42.20% | 34.76% | 23.04% | 5130
2:00 | 42.26% | 33.78% | 23.95% | 2818
3:00 | 41.54% | 32.82% | 25.65% | 2316
4:00 | 41.64% | 32.59% | 25.77% | 1758
5:00 | 39.84% | 32.27% | 27.89% | 1506
6:00 | 39.11% | 33.76% | 27.13% | 1253
7:00 | 41.33% | 33.84% | 24.83% | 1188
8:00 | 39.83% | 33.07% | 27.11% | 1376
9:00 | 38.48% | 32.41% | 29.11% | 1632
10:00 | 44.57% | 30.74% | 24.68% | 1880
11:00 | 42.25% | 30.74% | 27.01% | 1929
12:00 | 40.59% | 33.40% | 26.01% | 1865

Elizabeth does well at the beginning and end of the match, but struggles a little with the Euro vote. Poison is pretty consistent until the end of the match, where she dips a little. Thrall does better with the deep night and early morning vote.

X-Stats:

Elizabeth – 50.00%
Poison – 44.39%
Thrall – 38.06%

Elizabeth's prediction percentage was 66.15%
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#305 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:05:19 AM | message detail
Terra's probably stronger than Peach now anyway.

Big Boss is closer to Luigi than Terra is to Kirby, but Luigi probably SFFs Ness harder than Kirby does Peach, so it's still a bit in the air, I think.
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#306 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/21/2013 11:05:43 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
I don't understand my logic
Why I took Mewtwo>Vincent
And Dante>Squirtle..? they contradict each other


You think that's a contradiction? I have Pikachu > Sora and Mega Man > Charizard.
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#307 | ZFS | Posted 7/21/2013 11:06:25 AM | message detail
Yeah, I think Luigi still has a good shot at that match. I would take Luigi over Big Boss without too much thought in a 1v1 match, so it depends on how much Ness affects things. He'll certainly cause some weird LFF stuff to happen, but Luigi should still have enough strength to make it close. I wouldn't be surprised either way, but c'mon green.
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#308 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2013 11:09:12 AM | message detail
Big Boss is closer to Luigi than Terra is to Kirby, but Luigi probably SFFs Ness harder than Kirby does Peach, so it's still a bit in the air, I think.

Maybe not, Bowser 75/25 Ness in 2003, Mario got almost 83% in 2005, but he's stronger. I'd also take Peach > Ness.
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#309 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:10:11 AM | message detail
Peach/Ness

I almost want to see this match to see who this site cares about less.
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#310 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 11:11:01 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Yeah I take it back, Big Boss has this.

Like, Terra is not strong and she still looks good because Peach is leeching Kirby. 2v1 is just not good for the 2 in a 3-way poll.


Well the (lol) x-stats for last contest have Kirby getting 59.4% on Terra, which is not a whole lot worse than what's going on here. Then again, according to those same stats, Terra is actually the weakest character in this match!

And if you believe in a Dissidia deboost...

More fun with lol x-stats: Going by the 2010 stats, Elizabeth is on Zidane's level while Poison is on The Boss's level. Neither sounds believable at all

Lol x-stats indeed?
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#311 | Kibago | Posted 7/21/2013 11:11:14 AM | message detail
Terra looks pretty stable now at ~44% on Kirby. curious if anything changes in the evening.
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#312 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 11:13:05 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Peach/Ness

I almost want to see this match to see who this site cares about less.


Peach (2010c) has a strength of 27.85 against Base Link.
Ness (2010c) has a strength of 27.34 against Base Link.

Peach 50.92% 32,004
Ness 49.08% 30,853
TOTAL VOTES 62,856
Peach wins with 50.92% of the vote!
A 1,151 vote margin of victory.

This could actually be a good match! But I wouldn't really be excited to see it.
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#313 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2013 11:13:25 AM | message detail
I'd say Thrall (and by extension Elizabeth) flopped in that match, can only imagine Poison being so strong.
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#314 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 11:14:24 AM | message detail
Hasn't everyone shooting down your whiny PMs given you the hint that NO ONE wants you posting here, LMS?

Go away.
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#315 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:15:23 AM | message detail
LMS, nobody needs you posting stuff from the X-Stats generator. We're more than capable of using it ourselves.

If that's all, please go away.
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#316 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/21/2013 11:16:06 AM | message detail
Welp tbqh, Poison has about as much video game exposure as Morrigan does, and Morrigan does pretty darn well for herself with that awesome character design. Poison has all the same advantages and the bonus intangible of being f***ing hilarious to voters in the know.
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#317 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 11:16:59 AM | message detail
Kibago posted...
Terra looks pretty stable now at ~44% on Kirby. curious if anything changes in the evening.


Kirby's currently doing 3.87% worse against Terra than the 2010 stats predict. Assuming that both are constant, this could be a good gauge of how Ness will affect Luigi in R2.
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#318 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:17:17 AM | message detail
Nah, Poison has less exposure than Morrigan does, honestly. Both MvC games are bigger than Final Fight or SFxT.
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#319 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 11:18:12 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
LMS, nobody needs you posting stuff from the X-Stats generator. We're more than capable of using it ourselves.

If that's all, please go away.


Sadly I kind of expected a message like this would come. You're right, I should keep all my analyses to myself.
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#320 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/21/2013 11:18:32 AM | message detail
True but you get the point.
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#321 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:18:41 AM | message detail
You should expect messages like that because that's all anybody ever says to you.
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#322 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 11:19:18 AM | message detail
#323 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 11:23:37 AM | message detail | (edited)
Lol what's the deal with all the fodder threepacks this contest? I seriously need to investigate this.

Also as for what I was saying about Mr. Game & Watch probably being dead last in that match...forget it. Unlike Marth, he's a good symbol for SSB, and thus will likely win. Why didn't I pick that? Oh yeah, too hung up on the strength of more recent games.
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#324 | WellThoughtName | Posted 7/21/2013 11:23:36 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
So uhhh

Tharja/Poison/Tina

who wins


Poison.
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#325 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/21/2013 11:29:43 AM | message detail
Lol what's the deal with all the fodder threepacks this contest? I seriously need to investigate this.

It's a 243 character contest.
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#326 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/21/2013 11:54:33 AM | message detail
Terra is doing really good.Nice.
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#327 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 11:58:40 AM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
You're right, I should keep all my analyses to myself.


Yes, you should stop posting on this site period.
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#328 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/21/2013 12:13:41 PM | message detail
That's kinda messed up. LMS may have crossed the line from obliviousness to trolling, but he's certainly not the most offensive or even annoying poster we have to deal with. He's like... a 2004 stats guy posting in a 2013 stats topic. THERE ARE WORSE THINGS.
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#329 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 7/21/2013 12:15:11 PM | message detail
I think his analysis on the crew thread was hilarious.
#330 | Sorozone | Posted 7/21/2013 12:15:24 PM | message detail
There is some level annoyance to it.

But yeah, I just skip over his stuff.
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#331 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/21/2013 12:20:14 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who thinks Big Boss is right at Luigi's heels here? Like I would expect Luigi to win (if, at all.. really), 52-54% 1v1
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#332 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 12:21:47 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Lol what's the deal with all the fodder threepacks this contest? I seriously need to investigate this.

It's a 243 character contest.


Am I the only one who feels like this is Character Battle I all over again (well, at least based on what the Wiki described, I wasn't actually around back then).
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#333 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/21/2013 12:23:06 PM | message detail
Don't really know. We've never seen Boss in fair 1v1 matches. He lit up Edgeworth back when Edgeworth was probably weaker before succumbing to Mario. Considering the weird situation he got with awful fodder and then Nintendo LFF this year, looks like we'll have to keep on waiting.
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#334 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/21/2013 12:24:30 PM | message detail
37% on Mario should be more than enough to put him in Luigi's tier.
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#335 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 12:25:38 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Considering the weird situation he got with awful fodder and then Nintendo LFF this year, looks like we'll have to keep on waiting.


I was about to say if he could get past Luigi, Sephiroth/Boss/Kirby is a pretty fair shake, but then I remembered sprite round.

'whoops' for Big Boss
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#336 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/21/2013 12:29:29 PM | message detail
As I said before, at least LMS is better than he used to be. He's actually brought up a couple interesting points this contest and has mostly stayed away from his old pitfalls of using unrelated gaming publication lists and his personal gameplay-watching experiences to judge contest strength.

I'd rather listen to him than someone like Vlado, at any rate.
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#337 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 12:30:37 PM | message detail
MarioSuperstar posted...
Am I the only one who thinks Big Boss is right at Luigi's heels here? Like I would expect Luigi to win (if, at all.. really), 52-54% 1v1


We've been discussing this for a while. Though I guess most of the recent posts have basically been saying "Luigi is a beast, he'll get to R3 just fine".

At least Big Boss didn't get wasted for once. Unlike...

...I still don't understand how the heck Samus got wasted even though she's a complete wildcard now. Let me just look back:

2002 - Blows out Ryu/Ken, randomly upsets Sonic, randomly gets 47% on Sephiroth
2003 - Wins three matches in ho-hum fashion, SFFd by Link afterwards
2004 - Wins division, 60-40'd by Cloud
2005 - Two surprising results: blowing out Frog (more his weakness) and getting SFFd badly by Mario.
2006 - Underperforms in every non-final match due to obvious favorite status, ends up winning main bracket anyway
2007 - Holds off a short-lived scare from Mega Man, randomly defeats SFFd Sephiroth while SFFd by Link (but it was for 3rd place so no one cared)
2008 - There was some debate as to whether or not she could job to Vincent in the divisional finals but that didn't even come close to happening
2010 - Looks like a godslayer in every match but still nothing debatable

No notable upsets since Sonic in 2002, no big debates about her contest path other than 2005. Me depressed that my favorite character never sees much real excitement in these contests.
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#338 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/21/2013 12:31:06 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
Don't really know. We've never seen Boss in fair 1v1 matches. He lit up Edgeworth back when Edgeworth was probably weaker before succumbing to Mario. Considering the weird situation he got with awful fodder and then Nintendo LFF this year, looks like we'll have to keep on waiting.


If you think Mario was above Cloud in 2010, Boss's number number on him is probably sufficient to annihilate Luigi 1v1.
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#339 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 12:32:04 PM | message detail
Big Boss had the advantage of a night match against Mario. He probably goes down a decent bit in a 24-hour match or a day match.
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#340 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/21/2013 12:33:42 PM | message detail
ChenKenichiFan posted...
That's kinda messed up. LMS may have crossed the line from obliviousness to trolling, but he's certainly not the most offensive or even annoying poster we have to deal with. He's like... a 2004 stats guy posting in a 2013 stats topic. THERE ARE WORSE THINGS.


Albion defending a known annoying troll, what a stunner.
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#341 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/21/2013 12:34:41 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Big Boss had the advantage of a night match against Mario. He probably goes down a decent bit in a 24-hour match or a day match.


That argument's kind of academic anyway - Big Boss v Luigi is a night match this year!
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#342 | superange128 | Posted 7/21/2013 12:35:59 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
ChenKenichiFan posted...
That's kinda messed up. LMS may have crossed the line from obliviousness to trolling, but he's certainly not the most offensive or even annoying poster we have to deal with. He's like... a 2004 stats guy posting in a 2013 stats topic. THERE ARE WORSE THINGS.


Albion defending a known annoying troll, what a stunner.


isn't ChenKenichi yoblazer?
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#343 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/21/2013 12:37:11 PM | message detail
Dude

I'm not Chen Kenichi, I'm Chen Kenichi's fan. You really think I'd have the nerve to name myself after the master?
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#344 | Sorozone | Posted 7/21/2013 12:38:22 PM | message detail
Err Luigi, Big Boss is a day match.
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#345 | LeonhartFour (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/21/2013 12:38:29 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
That argument's kind of academic anyway - Big Boss v Luigi is a night match this year!


Oh, is it? I was thinking it was a day match. That's why I brought it up.
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#346 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 7/21/2013 12:38:31 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
Big Boss had the advantage of a night match against Mario. He probably goes down a decent bit in a 24-hour match or a day match.


That argument's kind of academic anyway - Big Boss v Luigi is a night match this year!


It's a day match. August 22, 9 am.
#347 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/21/2013 12:41:24 PM | message detail
Well, shows how well I can track these things. Coulda sworn it was after counting day/night on the bracket, but I haven't been paying much attention this year.
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#348 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 12:42:05 PM | message detail
So while all this Luigi vs. Big Boss discussion is going on, what are some other big matches of next round so far? I can remember Shepard vs. Aeris (with Tharja standing on the side for no reason), anything else I missed? Will look right back at the bracket soon.
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#349 | MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/21/2013 12:48:53 PM | message detail
Eh, give or take a couple of percentage points, and Big Boss is still dangerously close to Luigi for my tastes. Toss in MGSV hype, and you got yourself a close match at the very least.
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#350 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 7/21/2013 12:50:25 PM | message detail
MGSV hype cancelled out by Year of Luigi?
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