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I
gotta say I don't see why this board seems to be so down on Bioshock
this contest. I keep seeing posts everywhere that people are worried
that Elizabeth is going to lose to Thrall in Round 1. I mean I know we
don't have any matches for her or Booker yet but jeez they are new
characters from a well received game in a series that has proven itself
at least to be at least midcard range. Kirby (2010c) VS Big Daddy (2010c) Kirby has a strength of 33.19. Big Daddy has a strength of 29.95. Kirby wins with 54.88% of the vote! A win of 7,064 with 72,358 total votes cast. You put Bandicoot in that 2nd round match upsetting Wheatley (which might not even be a huge upset) and that 2nd Round match could be debatable.... As long as Elizabeth does what needs to be done to Thrall |
We
really gotta start arguing Viridian vs Peacock for expert. It's like,
the bottom of the bottom tier. Even worse than Chester/Zero because that
one was obvious. So I guess indie platformer main character > obscure fighting game character from ensemble cast, right? --- ~Zen |
I just went with Peacock because I feel Skullgirls is more popular. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
ZenOfThunder posted... Oh, and also, Skullgirls is an ensemble cast, and while Peacock is maaaybe the second most popular (I don't even know), most of the rest would have at least had TJF to give them a boost. Peacock is 8, though, so no dice there: Peacock is actually the most popular amongst the fanbase with ease. There was a poll about it and everything! Dilated Chemist posted... Why was Peacock chosen among that cast? Coolest character from that game to anybody who's played it. She's a deranged Tex Avery cartoon jam-packed with references and style (for example, one of her attacks can deploy the Buster Sword or the Gunblade. Yes, THOSE weapons). Hard to say if she'd be the strongest with the gameFAQS voters, but a good pic will do her wonders. |
I never trust non-iconic fighting game characters on this site. If Dan, does that poorly, imagine how badly Peacock would do. Then again her opponent is Captain Viridian so it's hard to tell, but just based on appearance we have little sprite guy versus this: http://i.imgur.com/4U4hk8v.png It might come down to who looks better --- ~Zen |
That Big Daddy was just when Bioshock 2 was released so he's likely weaker and Elizabeth is weaker than Big Daddy IMO. Mostly it's fear of what happens if Elizabeth is a flop, Thrall is fodder (or borderline fodder if you believe his match with Link) so she doesn't need to be a total flop to lose either. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
Osfan posted... I gotta say I don't see why this board seems to be so down on Bioshock this contest. I keep seeing posts everywhere that people are worried that Elizabeth is going to lose to Thrall in Round 1. I mean I know we don't have any matches for her or Booker yet but jeez they are new characters from a well received game in a series that has proven itself at least to be at least midcard range. Elizabeth does not look special like Big Daddy though. In a crowd of Generic McDudes and Dudettes, Big Daddy stands out and Elizabeth doesn't. Booker is even worse off on that front. So expect him to be weaker, most likely. Also, his values are inflated because is extrapolated through Tifa. |
Wait, this Peacock person could have the Buster Sword in their pic? Haha! --- We are living our lives Abound with so much information |
ZenOfThunder posted... I never trust non-iconic fighting game characters on this site. If Dan, does that poorly, imagine how badly Peacock would do. On one hand, that's a fair cop. On the other hand, Dan is literally 'frowny/smug karate guy in pink robe' if you live under a rock and don't know him, like most of GameFAQS appears to. Peacock at least looks way the hell different from normal people. I mean look at this picture: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7okfm0hGd1qhx16oo4_1280.png Kinda standing out, there. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... ZenOfThunder posted...Oh, and also, Skullgirls is an ensemble cast, and while Peacock is maaaybe the second most popular (I don't even know), most of the rest would have at least had TJF to give them a boost. Peacock is 8, though, so no dice there: I must see a video of this. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
Elizabeth
does not look special like Big Daddy though. In a crowd of Generic
McDudes and Dudettes, Big Daddy stands out and Elizabeth doesn't. Booker
is even worse off on that front. So expect him to be weaker, most
likely. Also, his values are inflated because is extrapolated through
Tifa. Also that ^ Just remember he only got about 55% on Ness at a high. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
I
was really impressed by Garrus. I would've taken Sub-Zero>Shephard
easily pre-contest and that looks like it would have been wrong. Prior to Garrus' performance I was fairly confident in Aeris beating Shephard. I was not impressed by Shephard, and Aeris did well IMO considering the big LFF. However if Shephard is stronger than Garrus by the amount he *should* be - it would be near unprecdented if they were that close in strength, and it wouldn't make any logical sense like say Auron/Tidus - then he should be stronger than Aeris. That match really intrigues me now. I've seen people say that a 2nd JRPG chick being in the match hurts Aeris, I don't really agree with that though. I think Tharja is going to be a throwaway in this match. If Aeris is weak enough to get hurt by Tharja, she'd lose to Shephard regardless. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9pvdfTcoe44#t=70s Shows off the buster sword. Ton of other references there too. Didn't I mention Peacock was amazing? |
http://skullgirls.com/wp-content/themes/skullgirls/images/characters/cerebella.png Cerebella --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
charmander6000 posted... Elizabeth does not look special like Big Daddy though. In a crowd of Generic McDudes and Dudettes, Big Daddy stands out and Elizabeth doesn't. Booker is even worse off on that front. So expect him to be weaker, most likely. Also, his values are inflated because is extrapolated through Tifa. Yeah but the Ness match took place before the game was out, but I will give you the hype consideration there... But even so Kirby that year only puts 58% on Ness so it doesnt seem like that result is that off the mark. Obviously til we see the match its impossible to tell how she will compare to Big Daddy because of the uniqueness but still Big Daddy is an enemy in the game and not a particularly easy one to deal with either (despite being the face of the franchise). But in Infinite Elizabeth is virtually the entire point of the game, you don't like Infinite if you don't like Elizabeth and she features some of the best character development that a female character has had in years... |
Osfan posted... You put Bandicoot in that 2nd round match upsetting Wheatley (which might not even be a huge upset) and that 2nd Round match could be debatable.... I highly doubt Crash will win a match ever again. His recent contest history has been abysmal. Plus, Wheatley's adorable. By the way, what would happen if Captain Viridian were to make it to the sprite round? Would they put up an actual photograph-style picture? |
Dilated Chemist posted... http://skullgirls.com/wp-content/themes/skullgirls/images/characters/cerebella.png Skullgirls with dat TJF man. So many amazing designs. If you want something less blatant, have a Parasoul. http://images.wikia.com/skullgirls/images/b/b7/Parasoul.jpg http://d1vr6n66ssr06c.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/parasoul.jpg ...OK, so it's not less blatant, but she sure has more class! |
Oh,
and on that whole Snake winning the contest thing - I really don't
think Snake can do it. I think if Snake makes the final, it will most
likely be due to Cloud weakening (and/or getting badly LFFed), rather
than Snake having Link-beater powers. Even with Mario in the poll, I just don't see Snake as the man to dethrone Link. Especially since Snake only became truly elite when he started to draw strength from Nintendo. Prior to that he was Mega Man fodder. He'll suffer from being in the same match as Link and Mario as he'll likely suffer from being lower on the Nintendo totem pole than both of them. While Mario should be a distant 3rd in that match, he can still hurt Snake. The only scenario I can see Link losing is if Cloud is there...but obviously Snake is the heavy favorite to beat him. If Cloud makes the final despite the cards stacked against him so bad, then it's conceivable he'd have the power to beat Link. But it's still hard to see Link losing to Cloud. Even after all these years FF7, for whatever reason, remains the most anti-voted entity that is vulnerable to every possible bandwagon. I think Mario would get SFFed to holy hell in a Link/Cloud/Mario match. I could see Cloud getting painfully close to a win...only to see Link rallied for the win at the end. Why anyone, I mean ANYONE, would rally for Link after all these years boggles my mind. But we all know that he'd have the rally edge in a Link/Cloud match. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Osfan posted... charmander6000 posted...Elizabeth does not look special like Big Daddy though. In a crowd of Generic McDudes and Dudettes, Big Daddy stands out and Elizabeth doesn't. Booker is even worse off on that front. So expect him to be weaker, most likely. Also, his values are inflated because is extrapolated through Tifa. Kirby is put through Sonic, who got SFF'd into the ground by link. That value is garbage. Also, trust me, GameFAQS is not big on that 'Character Development' thing. Yuri Hyuga has always sucked in contests, and he's as good at that as they come for example. |
creativename posted... Oh, and on that whole Snake winning the contest thing - I really don't think Snake can do it. I think if Snake makes the final, it will most likely be due to Cloud weakening (and/or getting badly LFFed), rather than Snake having Link-beater powers. Does 'because Link is cooler than Cloud' work as a reason, Creative? I wouldn't start a rally for him, but I'd mark the hell out if somebody posted one because Link embodies some of my absolute favorite games and experiences ever. |
I will admit, FFVII was a great game. The cast is probably the most well put together of any game, besided Xenogears. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
creativename posted... I was really impressed by Garrus. I would've taken Sub-Zero>Shephard easily pre-contest and that looks like it would have been wrong. I don't understand why people underrate Shepard so much. His x-stat isn't that bad and he's had ME3 since then. Aeris (2010c) VS Commander Shepard (2010c) That's a pretty small gap to bridge when Shepard has had ME3 and people keep saying VII is declining. That being said, I was surprised at how much people underrated Garrus in the Oracle too. People just don't seem to give Mass Effect any respect whatsoever. --- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time |
Okay,
so what conclusions can we draw from the current match? First off: Meta
Knight's only getting 28.44% on Bowser at the moment. That's quite a
bit worse than against Luigi last time. Does this mean that Bowser's
moved ahead of Luigi again in strength--if he was ever behind him in the
first place? It's always been a little difficult to gauge their
relative strengths objectively because aside from the other two
competitors in the fourway in which they met head-to-head, all of their
common opponents have had some degree of SFF. (Luigi better withstood
SFF against Mario, albeit in a fourway rather than a 1v1, and put up a slightly
better percentage on Kirby, but had a worse showing against Meta Knight
and outright lost to Yoshi, whom Bowser beat.) So no conclusions yet. Next, what can we conclude from Archer's performance? There's the obvious--"Non-game media are irrelevant"--which we pretty much already knew from every time a character attached to a big-name multimedia franchise tanked. (I seriously believe that people thought that the name Darth Revan would automatically be worth something because of how obviously Star Wars it was. Of course, that's a bad example because there's no way EU characters would be as strong as characters from the films, especially the original trilogy, in an All Fictional Characters battle). This is unfortunate. A good showing by Archer would, if not necessarily open the door right away, at least justify Board 8 rallying a bunch of other characters who were originally from visual novels but are far better known as being anime characters into CBX should it remain "video game characters only". Hopefully that would send a clear message to Allen to open up CBXI to all fictional characters if he failed to do so for CBX. I mean, maybe we can still justify it if we think that Archer might not have been the best representative for such a cause and he's still getting 39% on Meta Knight directly (okay, fine, on an SFFed Meta Knight), but it doesn't look good. The only question is, how bad is it? Reimu got 37.6% on Layton, 27.31% on Barret. Archer's at 20.26% on Bowser, 38.99% on Meta Knight. Obviously this tells us once and for all that Barret isn't on par with the rest of the FFVII crew (even if you do consider the possibility that FFVII's weakened, I don't think you could say that Vincent or Tifa doesn't put up a performance closer to what Bowser's doing to Archer right now), but is a faulty expectation that Archer would be at least as strong as the Touhou characters making this look worse than it really is? And if it isn't a faulty assumption, is this the final nail in Vincent's coffin because FF7's weakened too far, or is it a great sign for him because it means Bowser's strong enough to do some serious damage to Sonic? So many questions left unanswered. But yeah, I'm really disappointed that Archer couldn't put up a better performance. Really feel like Archer doing well could've helped open that door we've been working on. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
From: ShatteredElysium | Posted: 7/17/2013 8:23:45 PM | #073 That being said, I was surprised at how much people underrated Garrus in the Oracle too. People just don't seem to give Mass Effect any respect whatsoever. eh, almost everyone was under on Sub too. it was more Frank overestimation than anything. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
Just changed to Morrigan>Edgeworth>Agent 47. A loss dealt by overrating Ace Attorney characters is no real loss. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
ChenKenichiFan posted... In fact, I think the only handheld game which even features Sora was the original remake on 3DS whahhuh? |
KanzarisKelshen posted... Does 'because Link is cooler than Cloud' work as a reason, Creative? I wouldn't start a rally for him, but I'd mark the hell out if somebody posted one because Link embodies some of my absolute favorite games and experiences ever. That's not really any different from intrinsic strength though...why anyone would specifically rally for Link to overthrow Cloud, as if Cloud is the evil overlord and the LAW is not true, is incomprehensible. The entire reason people gave for hating FF7 in the first place was that it "always wins", currently that is very far from the truth and it's as easy to bandwagon against as ever. ShatteredElysium posted... That being said, I was surprised at how much people underrated Garrus in the Oracle too. People just don't seem to give Mass Effect any respect whatsoever. This is true. Pretty much every single character of noteworthy strength in these contests in pre-2000. Almost all characters post-2K3 struggle heavily. Mass Effect seems to be one of the few entities that has cracked through there (God of War being another off the top of my head). And even then, we're only talking upper midcarder strength. If you're not an SNES/PSX generation character, you are highly unlikely to be worth a damn around here. So the ME franchise deserves cred there. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Xuxon posted... From: ShatteredElysium | Posted: 7/17/2013 8:23:45 PM | #073That being said, I was surprised at how much people underrated Garrus in the Oracle too. People just don't seem to give Mass Effect any respect whatsoever. Yes and no. Consensus Garrus 34.65 (-5.48) Sub-Zero 44.65 (-4.37) Frank West 20.84 (+9.98) Obviously it's a massive difference for Frank. Between Garrus and Sub-Zero, Garrus was underestimated more (especially proportionally speaking) --- Crucifying my Oracle average one match at a time |
As
a note, Revan was pretty much a low midcarder, so he certainly was
something. Also, Archer was never making a convincing argument for
allowing non-VG characters. Get Strider back in and give that a shot if
you want results. |
Frank
really got killed in that poll, which doesn't mater much sense as he's
never done that bad in the past, and I doubt he'd do that bad 1 v 1.
Some characters are just being completely abandoned in these matches. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
that's
not really a noteworthy amount imo. that's like the equivalent of the
consensus scoring over 48 points in a 1v1, that's really good. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif |
creativename posted... KanzarisKelshen posted...Does 'because Link is cooler than Cloud' work as a reason, Creative? I wouldn't start a rally for him, but I'd mark the hell out if somebody posted one because Link embodies some of my absolute favorite games and experiences ever. Well, I'd want Link to win over Cloud. Not because 'FF7 always wins' but because if I had to choose between the two, I like Link more and think he's a more worthy champion than Cloud. He's done more for the industry and I prefer his games. So I guess you could say part of Link's intrinsic strength is that his fans are more zealous? |
Voting Sephiroth for the first time ever tonight. Oh boy! ...sucks that I only started playing FFVII after it started dropping. |
Vote for Little Mac! The greatest underdog! --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
KamikazePotato posted... Frank really got killed in that poll, which doesn't mater much sense as he's never done that bad in the past, and I doubt he'd do that bad 1 v 1. Some characters are just being completely abandoned in these matches. Well, I'd imagine Frank is a pretty easy option to abandon when the other two options are Garrus and Sub-Zero. --- http://i.imgur.com/kCpvD.gif |
Will Sephiroth get 20,000 votes? All the big hitters did it. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
You
also have to consider it has been 3 years since our last character
battle. Some characters are going to be quite different in strength. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
Tharja & Phoenix Wright have the lowest vote totals for winners. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
Vote totals so far for each character. Round 1 Mewtwo - 21,525 (N) Link - 21,024 (N) Sonic - 20,669 (D) Raiden - 18,775 (D) X - 18,171 (N) Yoshi - 18,306 (N) Ryu - 18,376 (D) Commander Shepard - 17,993 (D) Barret Wallace - 16,979 (D) Aerith Gainborough - 16,445 (D) Vincent Valentine - 16,308 (D) Draven - 16,081 (N) Waluigi - 14,794 (D) The Boss - 14,690 (D) Dracula - 13,906 (N) Sub-Zero - 13,612 (N) Jak - 13,191 (N) Phoenix Wright - 11,914 (N) Garrus Vakarian - 11,143 (N) Tharja - 11,016 (N) KOS-MOS - 10,944 (D) Tiny Tina - 10,753 (N) Professor Layton - 10,587 (D) Chie Satonaka - 10,465 (N) Captain Olimar - 9,829 (D) Marth - 9,699 (N) Chrom - 9,589 (D) Juliet Starling - 8,651 (N) Yuri Lowell - 8,637(D) Hero - 8,311 (D) Lucina - 8,227 (N) Heavy - 7,924 (D) Solaire of Astora - 7,620 (N) Rinoa Heartilly - 7,503 (D) Jigglypuff - 6,690 (N) Reimu Hakurei - 6,379 (D) Fei Fong Wong - 6,288 (D) Face McShooty - 5,691 (D) Kain - 5,491 (D) Nightmare - 5,280 (N) Demi-Fiend - 4,561 (N) Isaac (Binding) - 4,443 (N) Dan Hibiki - 4,217 (D) Alan Wake - 4,152 (D) Zero (999) - 3,866 (N) Tingle - 3,463 (N) Dunban - 3,233 (D) Frank West - 3,015 (N) Welkin Gunther - 2,999 (N) Caim - 1,586 (N) Chester - 924 (N) Surprised that Barret did better than Vincent & Aeris, voting-wise. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
Dilated Chemist posted... Vote totals so far for each character. These are out of order. |
I just noticed that Locke and Ness are in the same match. Anyone else suspect that "LockeNess" was an in-joke by Allen? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename posted... I just noticed that Locke and Ness are in the same match. this is the man that created a seed with three Isaacs in it, so maybe --- ~Zen |
Let the record show that I noticed that CATS was the Locke/Ness Monster first. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
creativename posted... I just noticed that Locke and Ness are in the same match. We should've had Tifa vs Chester. |
LeonhartFour posted... Let the record show that I noticed that CATS was the Locke/Ness Monster first. I thought I made a comment about that when I noticed it yesterday. I guess not. Oops... |
I noticed it a few weeks ago! --- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrmb8ky9zpsk1qd3518o8250gifyd.gif http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrmb8ky9zpsk1qd3518o6250gifuv.gif |
I noticed it when I first saw the bracket. I just never commented on it. --- Tornadoman78: tornadoman and tornadogirl like to kick box each other in my tornaolayzers and she dosent even mind getting hit |
Round 1 Mewtwo - 21,525 (N) Link - 21,024 (N) Sonic - 20,669 (D) Raiden - 18,775 (D) Ryu - 18,376 (D) Yoshi - 18,306 (N) X - 18,171 (N) Commander Shepard - 17,993 (D) Barret Wallace - 16,979 (D) Aerith Gainborough - 16,445 (D) Vincent Valentine - 16,308 (D) Draven - 16,081 (N) Waluigi - 14,794 (D) The Boss - 14,690 (D) Dracula - 13,906 (N) Sub-Zero - 13,612 (N) Jak - 13,191 (N) Phoenix Wright - 11,914 (N) Garrus Vakarian - 11,143 (N) Tharja - 11,016 (N) KOS-MOS - 10,944 (D) Tiny Tina - 10,753 (N) Professor Layton - 10,587 (D) Chie Satonaka - 10,465 (N) Captain Olimar - 9,829 (D) Marth - 9,699 (N) Chrom - 9,589 (D) Juliet Starling - 8,651 (N) Yuri Lowell - 8,637(D) Hero - 8,311 (D) Lucina - 8,227 (N) Heavy - 7,924 (D) Solaire of Astora - 7,620 (N) Rinoa Heartilly - 7,503 (D) Jigglypuff - 6,690 (N) Reimu Hakurei - 6,379 (D) Fei Fong Wong - 6,288 (D) Face McShooty - 5,691 (D) Kain - 5,491 (D) Nightmare - 5,280 (N) Demi-Fiend - 4,561 (N) Isaac (Binding) - 4,443 (N) Dan Hibiki - 4,217 (D) Alan Wake - 4,152 (D) Zero (999) - 3,866 (N) Tingle - 3,463 (N) Dunban - 3,233 (D) Frank West - 3,015 (N) Welkin Gunther - 2,999 (N) Caim - 1,586 (N) Chester - 924 (N) --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
charmander6000 posted... You also have to consider it has been 3 years since our last character battle. Some characters are going to be quite different in strength. As well the vote totals are WAY down from previous contests so who knows which supporters and anti-voters aren't present this year. --- In Oz; cruel is the usual punishment. |
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