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CrushDavis posted... I don't really understand how Garrus can be this weak.. He's the biggest fan favorite from one of the biggest new series of this gen. Is he really being clobbered by Sub Zero? He's not doing bad. I had a concern that he'd really bomb and score under 30%, but I was too gunshy to predict that in the Oracle. Garrus is part of an ensemble cast where the main character (Shepard) probably isn't much stronger than Sub-Zero, if stronger at all. Considering main characters in RPGs are usually the strongest characters by a good margin (the lone notable exception off the top of my head is Auron), it's no surprise that Garrus would get rocked. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/NQTthNf.jpg |
jacko_vdz posted... Wait that's Garrus? For some reason I thought he was a FF7 dude. Garrus is the love child of Sinistar and Hordak. |
CrushDavis posted... I didn't expect Garrus to win or anything, but I just thought it would be closer than this.. like 55-45 Subby or something. Oh well, theres always the chance ME could just have a terrible board vote. Nah. Not happening. Good rule of thumb for entrant strength: The 'second banana' of a series or game or whathaveyou is generally worth 66% of the first's strength at the utmost. About the only exception to this rule is Sephiroth and Cloud, but it's consistent with OoT/MM, FF7/8, Auron and Tidus, and so on and so forth. |
Mortal
Kombat has had a resurgence in the last few years and finally put out a
highly acclaimed game and got a lot more exposure and credibility than
it had been getting. MK has always lent itself well to its characters;
it's one of the few fighting games where the characters matter more than
the gameplay generally. But now that it's become respected as a series
again, there was no reason to think this would be a nice year for MK.
It's a shame we couldn't have got in Johnny Cage or Raiden or something
like that. I think they'd be able to put up some interesting numbers. --- Still smilin' :> |
I keep underestimating Sub Zero. There goes my perfect bracket. |
This was apparent when Shepard didn't look good earlier. I'd almost be willing to bet Shepard cannot beat Sub-Zero himself. --- Still smilin' :> |
Anyone who expected Garrus to be within 15% of Subby was just being silly. This coming from one of the biggest ME fans around. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif |
Poor
Vivi. Never gets mentioned as a side character who is better than his
lead. Good thing he's going to beat Ganondorf this year! --- We are living our lives Abound with so much information |
Hey Leon are we going to do another character NRT or a games NRT hoping SBAllen to do a games contest? --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
Garrus looking a bit better now --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
vcharon posted... This was apparent when Shepard didn't look good earlier. I'd almost be willing to bet Shepard cannot beat Sub-Zero himself. I've kind of made it obvious, but if a sig bet came up I would take that bet instantly in Subby's favor. |
Kotetsu534 posted... Poor Vivi. Never gets mentioned as a side character who is better than his lead. Good thing he's going to beat Ganondorf this year! That's because Vivi is not 'a side character that's better than his lead'. He's 'Black Mage'. He's a stand-in for FF nostalgia. I know that this seems like splitting hairs, but it's a very consistent explanation with how Zelda performs as well, for example. |
Games NRT is like... who cares to me. I doubt I'd participate >_> That said, of course that makes sense to do. We won't have a character battle until 2015, more than likely. --- Still smilin' :> |
I'd be down for a games NRT --- Want any VNs pre-patched? PM me. List of VNs can be found by clicking on my username. |
KanzarisKelshen posted... That's because Vivi is not 'a side character that's better than his lead'. He's 'Black Mage'. He's a stand-in for FF nostalgia. I know that this seems like splitting hairs, but it's a very consistent explanation with how Zelda performs as well, for example. B. Mage > Vivi tbqh --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif |
Games NRT is like... who cares to me. I doubt I'd participate >_> There's still a bunch of games that we can still go for. Characters, we are now scrapping the bottom of the barrel. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
vcharon posted... Mortal Kombat has had a resurgence in the last few years and finally put out a highly acclaimed game and got a lot more exposure and credibility than it had been getting. MK has always lent itself well to its characters; it's one of the few fighting games where the characters matter more than the gameplay generally. But now that it's become respected as a series again, there was no reason to think this would be a nice year for MK. It's a shame we couldn't have got in Johnny Cage or Raiden or something like that. I think they'd be able to put up some interesting numbers. MK has been on a rebound ever since Deadly Alliance in 2002 with the only misstep being Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe. It seemed like every game afterwards was getting better and better with Deception and Armageddon both being considered the pinnacle of the series at the time of their respective releases. MK9 (the 2011 game) was absolutely amazing and actually did the impossible and make fighting game fans recognize the strengths of that game (for years, MK was the ugly redheaded stepchild of the fighting game world). The developer of MK9 also made Injustice which I've been playing more than I expected I would. --- In Oz; cruel is the usual punishment. |
Just
a reminder: Sub-Zero scored 59% on Roxas back in 2010. It looks like
Garrus has a shot at matching or exceeding such a performance, so if we
want to use some COMPLETELY BASELESS EXTRAPOLATION and compare side
characters (Roxas/Garrus) to main characters (Sora/Shepard), it would
indicate that Shepard is somewhere around Sora's level, which bodes well
for him/her in the big showdown against Aeris. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/gdl8lcn.jpg |
Huh, Garrus is already up to 40% on Subby. Maybe he still has a chance of making it close to the 55-45 I expected it to be. --- http://i.imgur.com/lnKB0m9.jpg http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1184880/davis-again.gif http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8118/8656607511_94178dbf2e_o.gif |
Whoooaaaa Garrus is going to town with percentage gains! Feeling even shakier about Aeris now... --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/NQTthNf.jpg |
I
suppose there's probably a bigger pool, but I've always cared a lot
more about character battles than the game battles. Just my preference
in these contests. I don't really get any sense of excitement for the
game battles when a new poll goes up or bother checking/talking about it
for the first hour or so. There are some interesting characters we could go for. I mean... if the format remains more open in the future, that is. This larger field is more interesting and gives characters a chance to win that maybe never could. --- Still smilin' :> |
On
a different note, its kinda sad to see Frank doing so badly here. I've
never played the Dead Rising games, but I've been playing Project x Zone
recently and he's pretty damn awesome in it. I totally would have voted
for him based on that game alone if not for Garrus. --- http://i.imgur.com/lnKB0m9.jpg http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1184880/davis-again.gif http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8118/8656607511_94178dbf2e_o.gif |
CrushDavis posted... On a different note, its kinda sad to see Frank doing so badly here. I've never played the Dead Rising games, but I've been playing Project x Zone recently and he's pretty damn awesome in it. I totally would have voted for him based on that game alone if not for Garrus. http://i.imgur.com/UTQA7Di.gif --- ~Zen |
Kotetsu534 posted... Poor Vivi. Never gets mentioned as a side character who is better than his lead. I know. I had been trying to list side characters stronger than their leads in contests a few days ago, and I completely forgot about him! Good thing he's going to beat Ganondorf this year! Okay, now you're just delusional. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
ChenKenichiFan posted... Just a reminder: Sub-Zero scored 59% on Roxas back in 2010. It looks like Garrus has a shot at matching or exceeding such a performance, so if we want to use some COMPLETELY BASELESS EXTRAPOLATION and compare side characters (Roxas/Garrus) to main characters (Sora/Shepard), it would indicate that Shepard is somewhere around Sora's level, which bodes well for him/her in the big showdown against Aeris. Except making a comparison between Roxas and Garrus is silly. Garrus is a fan favorite, right? It'd make more sense to compare him to Riku or something. --- RIP GrapefruitKing and Emporer_Kazbar. You will be missed. |
Also if you guys missed it, Ulti confirmed with Bacon that we're getting: Round 2: Face pics Round 3: Sprite round Round 4 and on: Freeform So I guess adjust your round 3 predictions for sprites --- ~Zen |
TsunamiXXVIII posted... ChenKenichiFan posted...Just a reminder: Sub-Zero scored 59% on Roxas back in 2010. It looks like Garrus has a shot at matching or exceeding such a performance, so if we want to use some COMPLETELY BASELESS EXTRAPOLATION and compare side characters (Roxas/Garrus) to main characters (Sora/Shepard), it would indicate that Shepard is somewhere around Sora's level, which bodes well for him/her in the big showdown against Aeris. Roxas WAS beaten by Subby directly, though. That's something Riku doesn't have, so he makes a good Garrus barometer. |
Solid **** vs Black-Haired Cloud in the sprite round! Nah... still though. --- Still smilin' :> |
Also,
Bacon isn't 100% on the sprite round, and even though I enjoy it, I
know some people hate it cuz of things like Solid S***. So if you don't
want to see it happen, send a feedback ticket in letting Bacon know how
you feel. He'll listen. --- ~Zen |
The
heck is this? I thought Sub-Zero largely thrived on character design,
and I don't know about you but if I didn't know who either Garrus or
Sub-Zero was and was voting based on character design, I'd vote for
Garrus in a heartbeat. But maybe I have an overly soft spot for aliens. Logically, Garrus mitigates the factors that Sub-Zero has benefited from in the past (character design, receiving Tidus/Chief anti-votes), yet somehow he's doing WORSE than all of those characters. Huh? The only logical conclusion is that Sub-Zero wins out due to being an iconic, long-lasting character vs. Garrus being a side character in a current-gen franchise. Literally the only thing I can come up with. I was going to mention how this reminds me of Scorpion > Midna but Garrus should be far more this site's kind of character than Midna! Garrus vs. Midna who've you got? --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
I'm
pretty sure we all expected Subby to win because he's an iconic of one
of the most popular video game franchises ever. Did anyone think he was
getting by just on design? That can only carry you so far. --- ~Zen |
So I read Tanner Board 8 article and In 2005, people began to call Agent 47, another virtual unknown on Board 8 who nevertheless made the year's contest, "Neo-Tanner," and predicted that he would flop in a way that would make Tanner's performance look like that of one of the Noble Nine. Really...? Surely that was 2005 and it was before Blood Money and the movie (which is a good thing actually,movie sucked) but to say that Agent 47 is unknown this is pretty..what..? |
Please get rid of sprite round, freeform should be used from Division Finals and on, IMO. --- Pts: 16/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero & Bowser IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
Oh man I remember that I think I coined the term "neo-tanner" myself what the hell was I thinking, and what were we ALL thinking going along with it? I was just a dumb 15 year old back then. Now I'm pushing 47 > Edgeworth. how far we've come --- ~Zen |
Hopefully face round won't interfere with neo-Dante popping up and letting Squirtle win. --- "Hamas isn't really a terror organization." -Terran [Evil Republican] Play Der Langrisser. |
Squirtle is going to be uber-powerful in a sprite round. Like, ungodly powerful. --- ~Zen |
Nah Subby gets his strength from being a 90s icon of a series that probably has a really decent play rate. Oh and Red/Blue going to overperform like nuts in the sprite rounds!! Too bad Pikachu/Mario are going to be there. |
Black
haired Cloud or not, he'd be lucky to break 35% on Sprite Snake. It
does ruin Big Boss's chance to impress against Kirby and Sephiroth
though. --- The cycle of life and death continues. We will live. And they will die. |
Damn I post too slow. Also squirtle sprite yesssssss |
I really hope he goes ahead with the sprite round. I always love that round. |
Frank West's results through the ages! 2007 R1 34.38% on Ada Wong 37.88% on Balthier 70.44% on Jade Curtiss 2008 R1 24.73% on Crono 37.84% on Amaterasu 66.77% on Kaim And now, 2013 R1 as it stands now! 18.65% on Sub-Zero 24.81% on Garrus WTF happened to this guy? --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
People really love Frank. It's always been weird to me that he'd be weaker than someone like Ada Wong. --- ~Zen |
LinkMarioSamus posted... The heck is this? I thought Sub-Zero largely thrived on character design, and I don't know about you but if I didn't know who either Garrus or Sub-Zero was and was voting based on character design, I'd vote for Garrus in a heartbeat. But maybe I have an overly soft spot for aliens. Garrus > Midna, I think. Sub-Zero is stronger than Scorpion. The MK ninja are helped out by their design, but that's what makes them iconic at the same time. Mortal Kombat is an enduring franchise that is two decades old now. It has a lot of staying power and has enjoyed a lot of recent success. I'm not sure how or why people routinely underestimate Sub-Zero every single year when he's always come out and looked very respectable. --- Still smilin' :> |
Managed to make both leaderboards. Really wish i looked into Yuri vs face more. I could be in 7th on the expert =( --- rawr |
He stayed consistent? |
People love Ada too. Now that I'm thinking about, Resident Evil in general has a lot of likable females. --- http://i.imgur.com/32RNLnc.gif |
Yeah,
but like, Frank is the main character of two games, a character in two
downloadable games, top tier in Ultimate Marvel 3, in Project X Zone and
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, and is generally all-around likable and goofy. Maybe he wouldn't be stronger than Ada (who was in like the best game ever) but I'd like to think he'd get more than 34% on her. He's just so unreasonably weak. He has so much going for him but he's so far down the fodder chain. --- ~Zen |
I don't think this match is completely representative of Frank. He isn't strong but he wouldn't be quadrupled by Sub-Zero. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
To
be fair, Frank is a "Generic McDude" type character whose games aren't
very popular, at least not nowadays. Ada on the other hand is a TJF
character from one of the most highly-regarded games of all time (albeit
one which I'm running into a surprising number of haters of nowadays). --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
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