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Sephiroth almost lost Missingno and lost to Snake. Cloud/Sephiroth lost to Pokemon Trainer Red/Blue. Something crazy is going to happen to FFVII this contest. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
Something crazy like...it'll win!! --- i'll do rydia -Dante |
Sephiroth
beat Missingno despite the anti-voting, and Cloud beat two really
strong characters despite the anti-voting and surpassed his performance
on Link from 2006. It's pretty easy to turn it around the other way. I don't know why you keep trying to turn my argument into "FFVII isn't weaker" in your responses! FFVII isn't invincible. But they do look better against better characters. That's all I'm saying, and the evidence honestly bears that out. --- http://www.miscupload.com/upload/452457071929141623517416.gif |
Nintendo power. Konami power. HIDEO --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
And
just because FFVII doesn't blow things out like it used to or because
now it struggles against things it used to beat easily doesn't mean
"FFVII does better against better characters" isn't true. I'm not
talking in the context of its grand history. I'm talking within the
context of THAT contest, and it's true. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
Surpassing
2006 Link is one thing, but you can't turn around those other results.
Sephiroth and Cloud haven't been threatened by a non-Link character in 1
v 1 since 2002. Sephiroth beating Missingno and Cloud beating
Snake/Samus without much room to spare isn't good when they shouldn't
have even been threatened to begin with. They weakened. And everyone knows that FF7 gets better against better competition, that doesn't mean you give them free passes for performances that are still awful even when stuff like anti-votes are taken into account. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I
wouldn't lump everything to anti-voting, Vincent hasn't been relevant
for the past 7 years, could be a drop in intrinsic strength. The same
could be said for the rest of the FF7 and CT crew. --- Zinsanity of the Helix Board |
KamikazePotato posted... And everyone knows that FF7 gets better against better competition, that doesn't mean you give them free passes for performances that are still awful even when stuff like anti-votes are taken into account. Why not? If they step up when it matters, those performances against weaker competition don't matter. If Vincent wins in round 3, nobody will care about this round 1 match anymore. --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo22vfguji1qzxr43.gif |
Final Fantasy VII should be remade and played on the PS4. --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
Because nothing about his Round 1 performance indicates that he's going to win Round 3? He still could, but you basically have to go on blind faith. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I'm not picking him! But like I said, if Vincent wins, all this chatter about him goes away, so he WILL get a pass on that performance. Just like how Link will get a pass on his weird round 1 performance if he wins the contest. --- http://i.imgur.com/fe05x.png http://i.imgur.com/stNJf.png |
Vincent
was never going to win against Sonic in a 1v1. The only reson I picked
Vincent in that match is because Bowser and Sonic basically have the
same fanbase. He can be weaker than ever and still sneak through. --- Bracket score: 16 / Expert score: 78 |
I
think FFVII has bigger problems than just anti-votes these days. Not
that any of the current performances are the best indicators, but it
losing a step like CT wouldn't be strange or unheard of. It happens the
longer you go without a refresh. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Well, Sonic has gotten plenty of new games since 2006, while Vincent... |
so why do people anti vote FFVII so much anyway? Zelda keeps on winning but FFVII gets the hate? oO I think in the mind of the average voter they have characters that they would love to win (favourites) and characters that they accept are going to win (Link, Mario etc.) FFVII is not among the "acceptable" choices so people get jealous that they perform so well over their favourites. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
LeonhartFour posted... It may seem like a lame argument, but it's absolutely true, at least nowadays. You can bring up what FFVII did in the past, but this is a different FFVII now. Yes, it's weaker, but that's mostly because the anti-voting is worse than ever, and that shows up way more against fodder than it does against strong characters. Cloud looked atrocious against Ridley in 2010, but it didn't stop him from scoring better against Link in 2010 than he did in 2006. Cloud's match against Link was literally the only one the whole contest where he looked good. He performed pathetically the rest of the contest, and only did well against Link due to LAW anti-votes. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
As
a person with Vincent should the match happen tomorrow I would take
Sonic, but he has one more round to get his stuff together before I
start worrying. As Leon said anti-votes hurt more against weaker
characters. Might be hand waving, but we've seen this stuff before. --- BOP Results: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/CB9%20BOP.xls Points: 14/16 Today's Picks: Sub-Zero and Bowser |
White_Tiger posted... so why do people anti vote FFVII so much anyway? Zelda keeps on winning but FFVII gets the hate? oO Zelda is pretty much a sacred cow on most of the Internet. The vast majority of Nintendo is. I guess it's due to standing out from current gaming trends like REAL IS BROWN and ONLINE MULTIPLAYER and TOO MANY SHOOTERS and YEARLY RELEASE FATIGUE, but I'm not sure. On the other hand, Final Fantasy as a whole is probably seen as generic anime crap by a sizable portion of the Internet (that seems true of Final Fantasy XIII, but it's NOT true of VI or VII at least, and from the looks of it it seems that VIII, IX, and X are safe as well). Am I the only one who feels that pre-XIII Final Fantasies had a sizable amount of Western appeal, or at least considerably more than FFXIII? --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
LeonhartFour posted... You're wrong, as usual. Thinking about it, I do agree at least somewhat with where you're coming from, at least in so far as "FFVII looks worst against fodder. This does not however give the game's characters a total free pass - for instance, Cloud got 78% on Ryu in R4 of 2007 and 71% on him the previous round when Auron was holding him back. Cloud went down to 66% on 2010. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
78%
on Ryu would imply Ryu was fodderline, so I doubt that means anything
other than that characters in last tend to get abandoned! --- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] |
I don't support Vincent>Mewtwo but I agree this is kind of debateable But Vincent>Sonic What? |
KamikazePotato posted... Except not really. FF7 anti-votes are prominent against Nintendo. Vincent still obliterated Guybrush and Cloud still obliterated Chris and Ryu last year. I really can't see Vincent getting a ton of anti-votes over another RPG character. My theory there is that colorful, non-serious characters overperform against darker/more mature/more serious characters. We saw Tails do it against Kratos, for one thing, and I just get the feeling that characters like Ridley, Captain Falcon, and Samus (especially if a certain black sheep of the series is thrown out of the equation) are tailor-made for overperforming against Cloud. Heck, just look at the Cloud/Ridley match pic: http://images.wikia.com/board8/images/f/fa/Cb8-41.jpg This pic, at least to me, practically begs for Ridley to get votes! Oh and even better: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EPCbCZVe7xg/T5qT5IC4XlI/AAAAAAAAAb0/N8pnquJnUjU/s640/cloud_then_and_now.png Lol Cloud, what happened to you? Honestly, Final Fantasy VII, to me, just feels like an SNES RPG fit to take advantage of the PS1's capabilities, and not something that should have become such an obsession by Square Enix - and the worst part is that it wasn't even an obsession initially, or at least not to the same extent. The game itself deserves all the praise it gets IMO, but it has become such a horrible monster since then. Seeing Cloud get Advent Children and Dissidia pics almost always rubs me the wrong way. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
AxemRedRanger posted... 78% on Ryu would imply Ryu was fodderline, so I doubt that means anything other than that characters in last tend to get abandoned! I dunno, to me it made sense that Cloud's percent on Ryu would explode once he became the only FF rep, although yeah there's only so much Auron could have hurt him in that poll I guess. --- Currently Playing - Super Metroid, MGS4, Brawl, FFVII, Wind Waker, RE4, SOTC |
Score-Brackets-% Right 16------272--------80.15 15------797--------72.40 14------1531------66.30 13------2443------59.72 12------2805------57.36 11------2617------56.21 10------1967------56.13 9--------1315------54.75 8--------742--------54.31 7--------379--------51.72 6--------194--------48.45 5--------87----------44.83 4--------40----------35.00 3--------21----------28.57 2--------25----------8.00 1--------5------------40.00 0--------14----------0.00 A pretty easy match for thoe near the top but not as much for those in the middle. The perfects clear 80% but the prediction percentage falls quickly from there and the -3s are even below 60. All the 0 brackets the the match "right". 6 people fell off the Top 49. abiggeebabigee, AlmightyDrizzle, Als52, Azp2k32, Burholt999 and Cruizer3000 did not have Sub-Zero winning the match. --- Pokemon VGC2013 BC Regional - 16th place Pokemon VGC2013 US National - 39th place |
ya go my perfect (zero) bracket --- Character Battle IX: 15/17 points, Next matches: Bowser, Sephiroth http://backloggery.com/articuno2001/sig.gif |
Cloud
and Sephiroth (mainly Seph) fell enough in 2010 that upsets which were
completely unreasonable in 2004-2008 were suddenly in play. That, and
the prospect of three additional years of FFVII decline, is the basis
for my Kirby > Sephiroth upset. We'll see how it goes. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif |
Alright there's dropping and then there's no longer being relevant. Kirby beating Sephiroth is a bad choice! --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Sprite
round probably doesn't help Kirby's chances, honestly, because Big Boss
being there with an ugly MG1 sprite means he's going to get a bad
percentage. Kirby needs Big Boss not to suck to have any chance of
beating Seph. --- "Why must we always choose between certain death and probable death?" "I'm in an epic battle to the death, FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF!" |
Go Big Boss! --- Pts: 18/18 Today's Picks: Sephiroth & Morrigan IX: Link-VV-BB-SS-Cloud-Sora-Samus-Mario-Zard |
It's
a "make or break" type of choice and I think there are enough
intangibles and unknowns to make it a decent enough upset. Very
surprised that junglebob and I are the only two people who pulled the
trigger on that one when Snake > Cloud is the popular choice in a
match that features Mario. Did everyone forget that without Smash and Nintendo, Snake would still be bottom-rung on the Noble 9? --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/xiKRQ2F.gif |
I think sprite round might help FF7, if anything. Seeing those lego PS1 models is probably nostalgic. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
I think there are more than enough tangibles and knowns to make it a bad choice! And Snake hasn't really shown any evidence of having Smash support stolen from him when he goes up against a Nintendo character, except maybe against Samus in 2006, and that's not even conclusive. --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
It is impossible for Snake, Cloud, and Mario to be in the same match this year, yo. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
So what was the prediction for Sub Zero?Around 60%? --- GameFaqs is NOT the place to go for relationship advice.Nobody here gets any action unless it is their right or left hand.Including me.~Dawn and Dusk~ |
Wait my bad, that match doesn't feature Mario. Sorry, I'm completely off base about that one. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/NQTthNf.jpg |
Also Luigi is beating Big Boss! --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
Safer_777 posted... So what was the prediction for Sub Zero?Around 60%? 58.54% --- http://www.gifsoup.com/view/593815/frasier-and-niles-dance-o.gif |
People are pulling the Snake > Cloud thing because I imagine most have Sora in that match as well. --- http://i.imgur.com/32RNLnc.gif |
It's Sora or Crono in that match. Either one is bad for Cloud. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Pikachu is winning his division and leeching Snake. Book it. --- We are living our lives Abound with so much information |
I have Snake > Cloud, but Crono instead of Sora. --- tune in tokyo 142.94 |
I
don't think Crono's disproportionately bad for Cloud. We've never
really seen evidence of FFVII/CT overlap. Cloud can win if Crono's
there. If Sora's there, yeah, he's got no shot. --- http://luxehdwallpaper.com/wallpaper/2012/09/-Miranda-Lawson-Mass-Effect-3-Commander-Shepard-Hd-Wallpaper--.jpg http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1747/me2theteam |
Kotetsu534 posted... Pikachu is winning his division and leeching Snake. Book it. That's what I've got! I think Pikachu needs a lot of luck though, because Fox/Blue kill the rat's chances. He needs Nathan Drake in there. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/gdl8lcn.jpg |
Snake already beat Sephiroth If FFVII is weaker now then I see no reason he can't beat Cloud...1vs1 |
are you picking Pokemon to win anything even remotely debatable this year or something --- http://i.imgur.com/M7vKB.gif |
I
think I have Pokemon winning every match that's been debated, yes. In
Pikachu's case, however, it's less about his own strength than it is
about the #3 entrant. My bracket has Drake (Sora/Pikachu/Drake) so as
the only Nintendo character and a big standout, Pikachu should easily
win that. If Fox or Blue is in Drake's place, Sora is obviously
advancing and my chances are sunk. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/gdl8lcn.jpg |
Drake
will stand out more in that match than Pikachu will. Pikachu and Sora
are both cartoony and Drake is a realistic looking dude. --- "Hold on a minute! That testimony stinks!" "Witness! You can't just say 'Hello' and expect us to get anywhere! I want you to testify!" |
Eh,
it's Nintendo/Sony/Sony, and the two Sony guys are both realistic human
characters vs an animal. Enough for me! The tough part is Drake; he's
gotta get through a real hurdle in R2, and I think he needs both Mr. GW
AND Blue in there to make it. Fox will SFF GW into the negatives and can
probably hurdle past Drake despite the Nintendo LFF. Blue... I don't
think will have that power. --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/gdl8lcn.jpg |
play the legend of zelda: ocarina of time you guys --- Chen Kenichi's #1 Fan (also Yoblazer) http://i.imgur.com/gdl8lcn.jpg |
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