Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1063

#301 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 7/14/2013 9:09:57 AM | message detail
This is not the Barrett blowout I was expecting.
#302 | VideoboysaysCube | Posted 7/14/2013 9:10:26 AM | message detail
I think Layton got significantly stronger since last contest. He's had many new games since, and a movie and whatnot.
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#303 | Xuxon | Posted 7/14/2013 9:10:52 AM | message detail
From: VideoboysaysCube | Posted: 7/14/2013 12:10:26 PM | #302
I think Layton got significantly stronger since last contest. He's had many new games since, and a movie and whatnot.

considering Reimu's votes, i'm gonna say "no" on that one
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#304 | PSI_NESS | Posted 7/14/2013 9:11:02 AM | message detail
Riemu has a 4chan rally.
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#305 | HaRRicH | Posted 7/14/2013 9:13:16 AM | message detail | (edited)
I suppose Layton could have been SFF'd by Isaac, but Reimu's enough back-up proof to suggest bad things for Barret. Hope this is just the board-vote, or else Dracula/Barret just got a lot more interesting.

EDIT: Also, though Barret is a newcomer, this still doesn't bode well for Vincent this division (or FF7 in general, really).
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#306 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:11:36 AM | message detail
Terrible? What was Barret score supposed to be...?
Seriously im noob at contests and still perfect bracket and just -6 in the expert challenge
The contest wasn't shocking so far and Barret is doing like I expected
He might rise but you expect him to reach 60%..?
#307 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/14/2013 9:12:02 AM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
10------1141------69.94
9--------2955------71.13
8--------4538------69.99
7--------3203------72.24
6--------1882------72.10
5--------874--------66.13
4--------370--------62.16
3--------166--------56.63
2--------69----------53.62
1--------38----------26.32
0--------18----------0.00

The -1s do a bit better than the perfects this time which is a bit unusual. Maybe if there was a big upset that killed a lot of Board 8 perfects it would make sense. However, we still haven't had any BOP upsets. I really wonder if someone who submitted a large number of brackets is causing this to happen.

10 people fell off the Top 49. Former third place 1mnousa0, 3rdTimesDeCharm, 6, ab12ny, AlejandroO9111, Alex_Raines, almightyminiman, Alpha_centauri, AlteredSoul85 and AmandaKimmel did not have Dracula winning.
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#308 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/14/2013 9:12:36 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Terrible? What was Barret score supposed to be...?
Seriously im noob at contests and still perfect bracket and just -6 in the expert challenge
The contest wasn't shocking so far and Barret is doing like I expected
He might rise but you expect him to reach 60%..?


This match suggests he's weaker than Isaac, a handheld RPG character
#309 | Xuxon | Posted 7/14/2013 9:13:32 AM | message detail
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2013 12:11:24 PM | #305
I suppose Layton could have been SFF'd by Isaac, but Reimu's enough back-up proof to suggest bad things for Barret. Hope this is just the board-vote, or else Dracula/Barret just got a lot more interesting.

more like it just got a lot less interesting in that Dracula will win easily. but i do expect Barret to recover here, at least a little.
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#310 | Kibago | Posted 7/14/2013 9:13:45 AM | message detail
...I didn't think Barret would push far past 60% or anything, but...jesus, ZimmermanFAQs
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#311 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/14/2013 9:17:17 AM | message detail
Nanis23 posted...
Terrible? What was Barret score supposed to be...?
Seriously im noob at contests and still perfect bracket and just -6 in the expert challenge
The contest wasn't shocking so far and Barret is doing like I expected
He might rise but you expect him to reach 60%..?


Going off the oracle, most expected him to be in the 55-60 range. That being said, most had Reimu in the 10-15 range too.

I don't even know what Touhou is so expected it to be complete fodder. Above 20% is a huge surprise.
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#312 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/14/2013 9:18:57 AM | message detail
This match does give me hope Archer might have an outside chance of finishing 2nd in his match if Bowser can SFF MetaKnight enough. This shows you don't even need a localized game to get votes!
#313 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 7/14/2013 9:19:12 AM | message detail
I never played Touhou but I voted for Reimu. The match pic was very kawaii
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#314 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:20:08 AM | message detail
He only won the last update by 28 votes. 28 votes ahead of Professor Layton. Looks like bullets were dodged - give a different spot Barret would have cost a lot of B8 several points I think.
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#315 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/14/2013 9:20:24 AM | message detail
This is...strange. I initially expected that most of the other Oracles/Crew would underestimate Reimu, but then I saw Oracles with higher percentages than my own and people actually taking the over on a double-digit spread so I was like "okay, maybe not". And then it turns out that...yeah, they did, and I was right there among them! Is racistFAQs seriously a thing? Because we already know Layton's weak and Reimu's never even had a game come out in the USA. Getting 50% here shouldn't be this challenging.
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#316 | HaRRicH | Posted 7/14/2013 9:20:41 AM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 7/14/2013 12:11:24 PM | #305
I suppose Layton could have been SFF'd by Isaac, but Reimu's enough back-up proof to suggest bad things for Barret. Hope this is just the board-vote, or else Dracula/Barret just got a lot more interesting.

more like it just got a lot less interesting in that Dracula will win easily. but i do expect Barret to recover here, at least a little.


Maybe so, though it's not like Dracula's opponents are particularly proven either; Caim's a joke and all we know about Lucina is that she's probably stronger than Tharja. Also, with Sonic in Round Two, Dracula and Barret will be competing with lower percentages...so if it's close, I suspect FF7's dedicated core fanbase will be tougher to overcome than Castlevania's.
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#317 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/14/2013 9:21:21 AM | message detail
Reimu stronger than expected


Barret.....is weak
das not cool
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#318 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/14/2013 9:21:46 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
He only won the last update by 28 votes. 28 votes ahead of Professor Layton. Looks like bullets were dodged - give a different spot Barret would have cost a lot of B8 several points I think.


Dodging bullets, huh? ^_^ There's someone in this poll who's quite good at that.
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#319 | Dr_Football | Posted 7/14/2013 9:22:01 AM | message detail
Yay Layton board vote

I'm satisfied
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#320 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/14/2013 9:24:15 AM | message detail
Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
Reimu stronger than expected


Maybe "The Cute Factor" or more of a deal than "The Jug Factor" these days.
#321 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/14/2013 9:24:43 AM | message detail
TsunamiXXVIII posted...
Kotetsu534 posted...
He only won the last update by 28 votes. 28 votes ahead of Professor Layton. Looks like bullets were dodged - give a different spot Barret would have cost a lot of B8 several points I think.


Dodging bullets, huh? ^_^ There's someone in this poll who's quite good at that.


Well done sir. Well done.
#322 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 7/14/2013 9:30:01 AM | message detail
Layton had a huge lull that update. Reimu almost cut him.
#323 | The Real Truth | Posted 7/14/2013 9:30:21 AM | message detail
Damn you racist faqs
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#324 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/14/2013 9:36:16 AM | message detail | (edited)
Yeah. So much for Marisa > Adam being an "upset pick". I was kind of counting on that one screwing people up.

No, seriously, the X-Stats can more or less support this. Reimu's currently getting 41.9% on Layton. Plugging in the last known X-Stat values for both characters, JC Denton would be expected to get...40.93%. I don't really know what Adam's strength is expected to be compared to JC's but I wouldn't expect Marisa to really be any weaker than Reimu; she's pretty much shared "main character" status since almost the beginning of the series and has more memes in her corner.

And that's big, because the memes are probably where Touhou gets a lot of its strength. I wouldn't expect the games themselves to be anywhere near as strong as the characters, and felt that way even before Reimu exceeded my expectations (at least so far). The way I see it, part of the appeal is that the canon gives the characters just enough characterization while leaving plenty of room for the fans to add in their own interpretations--and at times it seems like ZUN encourages them to do so.
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#325 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/14/2013 9:32:48 AM | message detail
I swear they gave Reimu jugs now


or was that her MUGEN fanmade predecessor?
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#326 | Dr_Football | Posted 7/14/2013 9:34:10 AM | message detail
I'm gonna be super annoyed if Layton finishes last
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#327 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:35:36 AM | message detail
bahaha Barret

The only thing we saw of him implied he was really, really weak (compared to other FFVII peeps), so this result isn't too surprising outside of Reimu.
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#328 | ZeldaTPLink | Posted 7/14/2013 9:38:39 AM | message detail
Maybe FFVII is not as strong as three years ago?
#329 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/14/2013 9:39:40 AM | message detail
Assuming old Square games really have fallen this far, would Crono even beat Pikachu 1v1 these days?
#330 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/14/2013 9:40:31 AM | message detail
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
bahaha Barret

The only thing we saw of him implied he was really, really weak (compared to other FFVII peeps), so this result isn't too surprising outside of Reimu.


We saw something of him before?

Oh, right, probably one of those "favorite character in the game/series" polls. So, he lost badly in a "Favorite FFVII character" poll? ...Yeah, pretty sure that those things have been discredited as reliable Character Battle predictors. I guess it could've told us that Barret would be the weakest FFVII character we've seen in a contest other than the Midgar Zolom (although it really was unfair what Bacon did to Zolom, putting him in Cloud's R1 fourpack), but even a weak FFVII party member is still an FFVII party member. This is not an FFVII level of quality.
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#331 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 7/14/2013 9:41:18 AM | message detail
CrushDavis posted...
Assuming old Square games really have fallen this far, would Crono even beat Pikachu 1v1 these days?


Definitely not in a day or 24-hour match. Might still stand a chance in a night match, but I doubt it.
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#332 | raytan7585 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:42:02 AM | message detail
Japan has the Barret vote, I'm expecting Reimu vote...
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#333 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:42:31 AM | message detail
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Maybe FFVII is not as strong as three years ago?


As much as I'd probably be the first to jump on the "MASSIVE FINAL FANTASY DROP" train, this is about what I'd expect from bottom-tier FFVII playables, which that one bad poll nobody should use but is literally the only measure of Barret we have had in 11 years implied he is. I mean, using those polls is generally terrible, but you don't get sub-5% or whatever he got there without being really weak unless he was somehow SFFed really horribly.
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#334 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/14/2013 9:42:53 AM | message detail
First cut on Layton. Reimu is comin' for you!
#335 | CasanovaZelos | Posted 7/14/2013 9:45:08 AM | message detail
I have a hard time believing these Reimu numbers being legit.
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#336 | Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 7/14/2013 9:45:21 AM | message detail
Barret's winning Japan?
Over Reimu?

Something is amiss here
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#337 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:46:11 AM | message detail
Shoenin_Kakashi posted...
Barret's winning Japan?
Over Reimu?

Something is amiss here


Japan loves Mr. T.
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#338 | Dr_Football | Posted 7/14/2013 9:46:19 AM | message detail
Man where would one rally for Layton

: (
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#339 | CrushDavis | Posted 7/14/2013 9:46:43 AM | message detail
Dr_Football posted...
Man where would one rally for Layton

: (


Some Euro casual gaming board?
#340 | Xuxon | Posted 7/14/2013 9:47:15 AM | message detail
Japan barely votes in this, and like half of their votes appear to be non-natives based on the language polls.
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#341 | LOLContests | Posted 7/14/2013 9:49:50 AM | message detail
I doubt this is anti-votes. Barret doesn't really represent any of the reasons why anti-FFVII people anti-vote FFVII. Although, there's always been a whiff of jingoism to anti-FFVII/anti-jRPG sentiment to me, so maybe that segment of anti-voters wouldn't like black people either!
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#342 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:51:25 AM | message detail
what the f is happening here

how does this touhou thing have this many vote


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#343 | raytan7585 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:51:32 AM | message detail
Surprisingly, Brazil and Australia have the Reimu vote.
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#344 | ChenKenichiFan | Posted 7/14/2013 9:51:40 AM | message detail
*wakes up*

*votes*

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#345 | Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 7/14/2013 9:53:14 AM | message detail
Eh, despite the favorites polls, this is still pretty surprising for a starting FFVII character against fodder. It's not like Barret is unlikable or anything.
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#346 | LOLContests | Posted 7/14/2013 9:53:42 AM | message detail
raytan7585 posted...
Surprisingly, Brazil and Australia have the Reimu vote.


Yeah, Reimu is doing really well for whatever the reason in South America, Continental Europe, and Australia.
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#347 | StarStormScream | Posted 7/14/2013 9:54:16 AM | message detail
...so is this Reimu thing just a 4chan rally or some legit overall strength?
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#348 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 7/14/2013 9:54:36 AM | message detail
Barret is doing best in the US.

Clearly it's not RacistFAQs it's RacistNotAmerica.
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#349 | Dr_Football | Posted 7/14/2013 9:55:27 AM | message detail
US racist against refined english gentlemen
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#350 | KommunistKoala | Posted 7/14/2013 9:56:02 AM | message detail
StarStormScream posted...
...so is this Reimu thing just a 4chan rally or some legit overall strength?


The former mostly
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