Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1055

#351 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/18/2013 3:57:55 AM | message detail
stop talking
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#352 | swirIdude | Posted 6/18/2013 4:13:24 AM | message detail
You should use the ignore feature. It would reduce your B8 stress level.
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#353 | scaryice | Posted 6/18/2013 4:53:49 AM | message detail | (edited)
LeonhartFour posted...
Probably purged.

And I'm not saying Spyro can't win. With that group of characters, it's possible, but he's more than capable of finishing dead last in that group, too. That pack is a crapshoot, emphasis on the crap.


I think there's a decent argument to be made that Spyro will be stronger than in the past. His games were most popular with young kids, and now that they're older they're going to have some nostalgia. Nowhere close to what's happened to Pokemon since these contests started, but maybe on a smaller scale. Meanwhile what percentage of voters have actually heard of Clementine or Reyn?
#354 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 6/18/2013 5:28:11 AM | message detail
Both Walking Dead and Xenoblade did pretty well in the last GotY. They shouldn't be among the worst turbo fodder in the bracket.
#355 | abdou | Posted 6/18/2013 6:03:24 AM | message detail
No way Clementine wins anything, and Spyro has shown to be extremely weak in previous contests. Reyn comes from an RPG that is considered to be one of the best this gen, and Xenoblade in particular has a very dedicated/loyal fanbase. Also he is not some obscure side character, anyone who has played Xenoblade knows who Reyn is.
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#356 | HaRRicH | Posted 6/18/2013 6:13:47 AM | message detail
therealmnm posted...
Took a look at the bracket. I don't even know a good chunk of the characters let alone know how popular they or their games are. I actually just came to ask:

How the **** did Spring Breeze Dancin' get into the contest? I literally laughed out loud. Awesome. And Epona. More awesome. And of course Zero. Zero will win it all. That is all.

*disappears*


Low nomination turn-out, big support for rallies, and 8-seeds dedicated to Board 8 made for a lot of crazy appearances.
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#357 | XIII_socks | Posted 6/18/2013 6:15:19 AM | message detail
Korayashi and I.
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#358 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/18/2013 6:24:43 AM | message detail
I don't trust Xenoblade, wouldn't be surprised that people voted for the game in the GotY poll because of word of mouth and not actually playing the game, something that would not help the characters.
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#359 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/18/2013 6:32:08 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4958

Xenoblade beat Pokemon. XENOFEAR.

I think Reyn can handle f***ing Spyro.
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#360 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/18/2013 6:54:01 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/contribute/submit_contest_image.php

Was that always there?
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#361 | Glenn_and_Toad | Posted 6/18/2013 10:09:08 AM | message detail
I'm not arguing that Spyro is worth anything. He's very weak. But have we seen anything to suggest that Clementine and Rayne aren't somewhere around bottom-20 in terms of strength in the field? Clementine is going to get absolutely killed among players who haven't played any of the three series, and I don't think she has enough devoted fans to actually win a match against someone stronger than turbofodder. Spyro isn't turbofodder; he's regular fodder (He's even about as strong as Vyse!)
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#362 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/18/2013 10:17:25 AM | message detail
The Walking Dead and Xenoblade probably have tiny playthrough rates on this site, meaning side characters from either game are going to have a big problem being recognized. Spyro may be garbage, but he's instantly recognizable for pretty much any voter, and neither Reyn nor Clementine offer anything to combat that apart from Reyn's burly RPG weapon, which may not even make the picture.
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#363 | Xuxon | Posted 6/18/2013 10:21:10 AM | message detail
if Reyn gets his weapon he wins i think. if not i'd probably give the edge to Spyro, but he might still have a shot. so i'm picking Reyn.
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#364 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/18/2013 10:40:13 AM | message detail
Why do people think Vyse would lose to Spyro?

I don't get it.
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#365 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/18/2013 10:44:21 AM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
if Reyn gets his weapon he wins i think. if not i'd probably give the edge to Spyro, but he might still have a shot. so i'm picking Reyn.


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#366 | abdou | Posted 6/18/2013 10:53:17 AM | message detail
why would Xenoblade have a tiny playthrough rate? it's one of the highest rated RPGs this gen and it's on a console that has a very high ownership percentage on this site. Between 3 fodder characters I would bet on the one from a highly acclaimed RPG .
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#367 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/18/2013 11:01:51 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/contribute/submit_contest_image.php

Was that always there?


Yes, it's always been listed on the Contributor Central page. However, we're going to be stuck waiting even longer for picture submissions to be accepted for this contest.
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#368 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/18/2013 11:11:24 AM | message detail
I'm not sure why some people are so quick to dismiss Xenoblade's and Walking Dead's GOTY performances. They're not both going to do that well by word of mouth alone. That's kind of silly to even suggest, I think. They don't even need high playrates to beat friggin' Spyro. It's not like they need 50% of the vote. They only need 33%, and with how low vote totals are nowadays, that's certainly doable.
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#369 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/18/2013 11:15:38 AM | message detail
abdou posted...
why would Xenoblade have a tiny playthrough rate? it's one of the highest rated RPGs this gen and it's on a console that has a very high ownership percentage on this site. Between 3 fodder characters I would bet on the one from a highly acclaimed RPG .


The tiny playthrough rate has a lot to do with the game being on the Wii. It was released near the end of the Wii's lifecycle, during a time when most of this site had given up on the Wii and unhooked their Wii to collect dust in a closet. By the time the game came to the US, most of this site had a mentality of "Too busy playing PS3/360/PC games, don't bother me when it comes to the Wii" and so many people never got around to hooking up their Wii again (if they unhooked it) to play Xenoblade.

This same problem would also affect Skyward Sword's playrate, to the point where the game is weaker than Wind Waker (especially after the HD remake is released).
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#370 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/18/2013 11:36:10 AM | message detail
Not only was Xenoblade released on Wii about four years too late (had it been released around the time of Mario Galax/Brawl, it could have been one of the stronger games of this gen), but it saw a very limited release. Unless a voter is running Wii emulation software or was willing to import the game from Japan (both pretty hardcore measures), then GameStop or Nintendo's online store was the only place to buy the game. It saw a very limited US print and is quite expensive nowadays. It did very well in GotY voting, no doubt, but I'm wagering much of that was attributable to word of mouth and its status as one of the few "true" jRPGs of this generation. If that's true, then characters - especially side characters who may not even get recognized - will get helped far less than the actual game.
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#371 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/18/2013 11:44:27 AM | message detail
I haven't played Xenoblade (don't have a Wii) but I'm a huge fan of Xenogears/Xenosaga. I heard it through word of mouth and watched youtube vids.

Reyn all day > Clementine > Spyro
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#372 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2013 2:12:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
abdou posted...
why would Xenoblade have a tiny playthrough rate? it's one of the highest rated RPGs this gen and it's on a console that has a very high ownership percentage on this site. Between 3 fodder characters I would bet on the one from a highly acclaimed RPG .


That last sentence made me think: there's not much of a possibility at all for Clementine to get votes from people who haven't played The Walking Dead. Those people will just see some child character, and child characters NEVER do well in contests. Link's flops in 2003 when he was given Wind Waker pics and Ness's entire contest history can attest to that, and I'm pretty sure there are more examples.

At least Lee can be recognized as "the Walking Dead guy" and get votes off of symbolism. His cel-shaded artwork will make sure that he doesn't become another generic-ass Tanner or Nathan Hale. Heck, those two are bad enough examples as is: any good examples of such characters not doing well?

Well...there's Nathan Drake, but that was back when GameFAQs had low acceptance for non-casual current-gen games that didn't get LOADS OF HYPE prior to release from the site (I theorized that Uncharted 2 would have similar problems to Super Mario Galaxy in terms of discrepancy between how well the game was received elsewhere and how well it was received on GameFAQs...but both games have probably made quite a ways to overcoming that!) and I think he's be considerably stronger now. Then the GTA guys...bad example, no one plays GTA for the characters and this site hates that series. The Walking Dead, on the other hand, IS a game people play for the characters.

And Reyn...I had never heard of this character (a he? a she?) until this contest so forget it. Picking a side-character from one game to beat the star of a long-running franchise just doesn't feel right.

BTW I changed my bracket to have Zelda beating Charizard and Epona beating GLaDOS. Wait, that last one sounds kinda wrong.
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#373 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 6/18/2013 2:12:27 PM | message detail
Spyro is actually quite well-known and might actually put his status to good use in this match. Spyro is kinda like Pac-Man, no one would vote for them when there are other recognizable characters around but we are talking about 2 very weak fodders here.

Apathetic voters might actually side with someone they have heard/seen before, no confidence in Spyro whatsoever but if i have to pick, i would choose him.
#374 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/18/2013 2:14:24 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
At least Lee can be recognized as "the Walking Dead guy" and get votes off of symbolism.


No, he can't. As I've said before, he can't be recognized by people who aren't at least somewhat familiar with the The Walking Dead because he's never been pushed as the "face" of the game. He's a normal looking guy with a normal name. Without the game title or zombies in his picture (which he may not get in a R1 pic), there's practically nothing that distinguishes him as the lead of the unique, breath-of-fresh air game that won GotY awards the year prior. A voter HAS to be familiar with his game to recognize Lee.
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#375 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/18/2013 2:38:13 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
I expect Wheatley to be really weak.

Debating on whether I should take Crash or Vercetti to win that match.


...Seriously?

I mean, it's only a 1-point match because Wheatley is probably going to be weak, but you'd take Crash or Vercetti over him? Neither one of those two has been relevant for years, and the best either one of them has ever done was when Vercetti barely beat Donkey Kong.

Wheatley > Crash > Vercetti. GTA's a lot more hated on this site now than it was when Vercetti > DK happened.
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#376 | LeonhartFone | Posted 6/18/2013 2:48:47 PM | message detail
Yeah, seriously. GlaDOS got doubled with ease by Kirby and Wheatley will be even weaker than that. I know that was pre-Portal 2, but Crash has always been high fodder and I think he can win.

Of course you literally thought DQ5 Hero had a shot at beating Rinoa 1-on-1, so you don't have a lot of space to act incredulous at other people's claims!
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#377 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/18/2013 2:54:05 PM | message detail
@KP: Yeah, there probably is some overestimation of Pokιmon involved as well, but I probably would take Sora over Crono. Well, okay, maybe not Sora because I still don't completely trust him to win big matches, but definitely Squall, Auron, Ganondorf, Luigi, Kirby...my bracket wasn't actually hurt too badly by the Missingno > Crono upset because I had Yoshi > Crono in R2, and that was over 3 years ago. Crono's probably not even a high midcarder anymore.
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#378 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/18/2013 3:01:01 PM | message detail
Hey Luster have you spotted a wild pic submission form anywhere
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#379 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/18/2013 3:07:02 PM | message detail
There's a picture submission form right here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/contribute/submit_contest_image.php

That page hasn't been updated to allow submissions for this contest.
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#380 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/18/2013 3:07:21 PM | message detail
awwww that sucks

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#381 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/18/2013 3:15:18 PM | message detail
@Xuxon: Also, Gordon's X-stat value for 2010 is probably inflated. The concept of rSFF--where two characters from the same game/franchise face each other and the SFF actually favors the weaker one, making the match closer than it "should" be (i.e. how it would be if they didn't share a fanbase)--has always been largely theoretical, but I think we actually saw it happen in 2010 with Sephiroth-Tifa. At the very least, Sephiroth didn't SFF Tifa very much.
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#382 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/18/2013 3:29:46 PM | message detail
That's ridiculous. Hero might stand a chance at second place now if Aerith SFFs Rinoa as much as I expect her to, but he has no business winning that otherwise. DQ just didn't get the love in America that FF did. (Which is unfortunate, but that's not a topic to get into on this thread.)
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#383 | swordz9 | Posted 6/18/2013 3:32:29 PM | message detail
The only way DQ Hero gets 2nd is if Rinoa gets 0 votes.
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#384 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/18/2013 3:35:31 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3695

Lucas almost finished dead last in a poll featuring Jade Curtiss.

But we've seen Olimar suck hard. We've seen Diddy Kong suck hard. We've seen Pit and DeDeDe suck hard. and I've never really been under the impression that people really care about G&W that much. I mean, there's a reason why we've never seen him until we had a contest with over 200 characters in it, even in 2008 when we had virtually every Smash Bros. character imaginable.

I mean, it's possible G&W could be the best of the worst in that group, but I think he's fodder. I wouldn't take him over Diddy, for instance, and Diddy looks like fodder himself.


Agreed and agreed. G&W is fodder, but he's at least decent fodder. Yes, without Smash, he'd be nothing, but Nintendo has rereleased his other games enough times that he won't be quite as Smash-dependent as someone like Lucas or the Ice Climbers. Still wouldn't take him over anything of value, though.

...I think I need to make some changes to my bracket.
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#385 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2013 4:20:33 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
At least Lee can be recognized as "the Walking Dead guy" and get votes off of symbolism.


No, he can't. As I've said before, he can't be recognized by people who aren't at least somewhat familiar with the The Walking Dead because he's never been pushed as the "face" of the game. He's a normal looking guy with a normal name. Without the game title or zombies in his picture (which he may not get in a R1 pic), there's practically nothing that distinguishes him as the lead of the unique, breath-of-fresh air game that won GotY awards the year prior. A voter HAS to be familiar with his game to recognize Lee.


Well I recognize Lee as the Walking Dead guy. I'm just saying what I think.

To be fair, it's not like The Walking Dead is some cult game. Many gamers know what it is now. That's it, I'm taking Clementine out of R1 as well.
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#386 | SonicRaptor | Posted 6/18/2013 6:17:10 PM | message detail
It really depends on how terrible Spyro is because the character hasn't had a popular release since the latter years of the PS1. All the PS2 titles were terrible (Enter the Dragonfly was one of the buggiest big-release games I played that gen) and lately he was given the Rayman treatment where he was attached to another IP to give it some marquee value and dumped once it became viable.

I really hate match-ups with nothing but basement fodder because you have to think who sucks the most more than who is strong. That's a damn hard thing to judge I find because you have to think differently.

I'm going with Clementine because the Walking Dead game was quite popular, Telltale Games has a pretty good fanbase and the game itself was damn solid. Though everyone in that three-pack is going to finish in the basement stats.
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#387 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/18/2013 7:52:46 PM | message detail
Why isn't LMS banned yet?
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#388 | SoulDynasty | Posted 6/18/2013 8:04:29 PM | message detail
So am I weird for thinking Lu Bu has a good shot at winning his match? Dynasty Warriors is decently popular, and DW8 is releasing in a few weeks. Any sort of DW increase on this site would push Lu Bu over Groose/Yoshimitsu I believe.
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#389 | abdou | Posted 6/18/2013 8:10:04 PM | message detail
there has been so many DW games that I wouldn't be surprised if he wins, really every gamer has probably played at least one DW , and Lu Bu is by far the most recognizable warrior. Still Yoshimitsu is the safer pick
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#390 | Pondos | Posted 6/18/2013 8:11:07 PM | message detail
Lu Bu is the only character in that match that hasn't appeared in a game with Link. Doesn't look promising.
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#391 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 6/18/2013 11:41:52 PM | message detail
Lu Bu has a shot, maybe not a good one, but still a shot nonetheless. There just aren't enough Dynasty Warriors/RoTK fans on this site.
#392 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2013 11:44:16 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Why isn't LMS banned yet?


What did I do in this thread? I'm just discussing debated matches, that's all.

The stupid thing is that I actually want to befriend you again, but I know that I've annoyed you beyond repair so oh well.
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#393 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/19/2013 2:35:27 AM | message detail
Lu Bu has no chance whatsoever. Remove it from your mind.
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#394 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/19/2013 2:52:33 AM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
Why isn't LMS banned yet?


Because he's annoying in a way that is always semi-relevant to the topic without showing any intention to actually be annoying. In a way, his social awkwardness has accidentally made him into one of the internet's greatest trolls, probably because he's not actively trying to be one.

It's all quite fascinating, really.
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#395 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/19/2013 3:10:33 AM | message detail
No, he has long since transcended from "unintentionally annoying" to "being annoying is the only way I know how to get attention so I better keep doing it."

LMS knows exactly what he's doing at this point.
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#396 | Safer_777 | Posted 6/19/2013 3:58:35 AM | message detail
Isn't Lu Bu a real historic character?I though characters that are based on real people couldn't enter the contest?
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#397 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/19/2013 3:59:19 AM | message detail
Fictional representations of historic figures are allowed.
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#398 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/19/2013 9:20:56 AM | message detail
I've updated the BOP (41 brackets), here are some interesting matches...

Round 1

Tharja – 24
Juliet Starling – 14
Tiny Tina – 3

Draven – 31
Jak – 7
Chie Satonaka – 3

Phoenix Wright – 25
Marth – 15
Nightmare – 1

Clementine – 24
Spyro the Dragon – 11
Reyn – 6

Ness – 28
Locke Cole – 12
CATS – 1

Wheatley – 27
Crash Bandicoot – 7
Tommy Vercetti – 7

Alucard – 29
Captain Falcon – 10
Rydia – 2

Bayonetta – 24
N – 17

Zack Fair – 29
Ryu Hayabusa – 9
Kefka – 3

Booker DeWitt – 28
Gilgamesh – 13

Groose – 21
Yoshimitsu – 13
Lu Bu – 7

Lee Everett – 25
Mr. Game & Watch – 13
Meat Boy – 3

Nathan Drake – 25
Pac-Man – 15
Steve – 1

Pokemon Trainer Blue – 22
Fox McCloud – 19

Neku Sakuraba – 16
Catherine – 14
Vaas Montenegro – 11

Yuna – 21
Master Chief – 20

Wario – 22
Creeper – 19

Pit – 25
Cecil Harvey – 9
Urdnot Wrex – 7

? Block – 26
Rikku – 15

Round 2

Commander Shepard – 25
Aerith Gainsborough – 16

Mega Man X – 30
Ryu – 9
Jigglypuff – 1
Draven – 1

Big Boss – 21
Luigi – 20

GlaDOS – 21
Ike – 11
Epona – 9

Zack Fair – 22
Ryu Hayabusa – 10
Lara Croft – 3
Altair – 3
Slime – 1
Shulk – 1
Kefka – 1

Dante – 22
Squirtle – 19

Pikachu – 34
Crono – 7

Pokemon Trainer Blue – 18
Fox McCloud – 16
Nathan Drake – 6
Pac-Man – 1

Tifa Lockheart – 28
Dragonborn – 8
Master Chief – 5

Pokemon Trainer Red – 29
Creeper – 6
Cecil Harvey – 5
Urdnot Wrex – 1

Charizard – 31
Zelda – 7
Lightning – 3

Round 3

Vincent Valentine – 21
Sonic the Hedgehog – 20

Sora – 26
Pikachu – 9
Crono – 6

Charizard – 29
Mega Man – 9
Lightning – 2
Zelda – 1

Round 4

Solid Snake – 30
Cloud Strife – 11

Mario – 32
Charizard – 6
Samus Aran – 1
Mega Man – 1
Squall Leonhart – 1

Round 5

Link – 32
Solid Snake – 8
Cloud Strife – 1
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#399 | Safer_777 | Posted 6/19/2013 9:24:25 AM | message detail
There are some people that don't have Link winning?Amazing.
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#400 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/19/2013 9:47:21 AM | message detail
This is pretty much the best chance for it to happen in quite a while. Skyward Sword performed badly in the GOTY polls relative to how well the series usually does, while Snake has MGSV hype.

I originally had Snake in my bracket, before switching to Link after realizing that Snake isn't likely to beat Cloud (he was the recipient of a bandwagon against him in both of our last two contests).
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