Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1055

#301 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 6/17/2013 12:23:28 PM | message detail
Man, I wish that this bracket would switch some characters around. It doesn't have to change any seeds. Like, put Crono with Link and Sonic's semi-final, since neither Sonic or Crono stands a chance against the other NN'ers anyway, and we could still see some potential NN breaks, and it wouldn't matter that someone like Pikachu or Sora would be fed to Link afterward cause it's not like they can get out of the final 9 where they are now either. Then I would have Sephiroth to take Samus' place and Samus to take Crono's, so we'd have some actual exciting battles. Samus/Cloud/Snake and Mario/Sephiroth/Mega Man, yes, Mega Man would be sure to finish last, but he might as well stay there. The upper half of the Noble Nine is clearly about to change with Mario, Samus and Snake likely surpassing the FFVII guys, so why is it that only Snake gets to battle them? We need to see Mario face off against them now, and with as close as Samus was to Cloud last time, she needs to face them too, but instead they collide with each other, which is not at all exciting. Samus/Cloud/Snake would be an excellent match because all three of them would have a fair shot at taking it at this point, and it's been 6 years since Mario last faced Seph, but that was in 4-ways. Since then he always has a safe road until his annual (okay, not annual any longer) slaugther by Link.

Link vs. who cares honestly (Allen did right with making this Sonic lately)
Snake vs. Mega Man
Mario vs. Sephiroth
Samus vs. Cloud

Or perhaps switch Snake with Mario and Mario with Samus? Mario and Snake would be a great match these days. 1v1 or with a third entrant that is not gonna LFF Mario. Samus and Snake would too, but Mario really deserves to be facing FFVII before Link next. So if that had to be possible too, switch Sephiroth with Snake and perhaps Snake with Cloud after that. Man this would make me excited. The Samus/Cloud/Snake/Sephiroth fourpack in 2010 was incredible. But no, the only goodie we get is Snake/Cloud and maybe we'll get that with LFF from Sora just to make it even more sad.
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#302 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/17/2013 12:25:17 PM | message detail
The main thing is being in Smash and being a likable character. G&W should pull this off enough to beat a guy like Lee. Seriously, Lee Everett, guys. I'd take Meat Boy over him in a 1v1 with nary a thought. TWD may have great word of mouth, but I'd imagine its playrate is still insignificant compared to something like Smash, and it could be less than Super Meat Boy's. The thing about Lee is... he's not the face of his game. His game has no "face" outside of the title. It's not too likely that he gets a R1 picture which makes it clear who he is and where he's from, so a large portion of voters may have no clue he's the protagonist of the game which won GotY awards.
#303 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/17/2013 12:40:37 PM | message detail
We've already seen what can happen if the only thing you have going for you is "You're in Smash Bros."

LOL Lucas

Now, I'm not saying G&W is going to be anywhere near that bad, but it's not a guarantee of strength.
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#304 | Pondos | Posted 6/17/2013 12:44:24 PM | message detail
It's been my general experience that people love G&W whereas nobody gave a s*** about Lucas
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#305 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/17/2013 12:45:24 PM | message detail
Eh, Lucas was put in a poll with one of the kings of Smash. G&W is in both of the big Smash games and isn't an unlikable dweeb like Lucas anyway. Plus, Smash isn't a guarantee of strength, but what I'm saying is this: Lee Everett's situation and credentials is preeeeeeetty much a guarantee of bad weakness, the type of weakness that Smash should have no trouble against.
#306 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/17/2013 12:57:23 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3695

Lucas almost finished dead last in a poll featuring Jade Curtiss.

But we've seen Olimar suck hard. We've seen Diddy Kong suck hard. We've seen Pit and DeDeDe suck hard. and I've never really been under the impression that people really care about G&W that much. I mean, there's a reason why we've never seen him until we had a contest with over 200 characters in it, even in 2008 when we had virtually every Smash Bros. character imaginable.

I mean, it's possible G&W could be the best of the worst in that group, but I think he's fodder. I wouldn't take him over Diddy, for instance, and Diddy looks like fodder himself.
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#307 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2013 1:04:32 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
Eh, Lucas was put in a poll with one of the kings of Smash. G&W is in both of the big Smash games and isn't an unlikable dweeb like Lucas anyway. Plus, Smash isn't a guarantee of strength, but what I'm saying is this: Lee Everett's situation and credentials is preeeeeeetty much a guarantee of bad weakness, the type of weakness that Smash should have no trouble against.


Lol this post reminded me that G&W was not in Smash 64.
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#308 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/17/2013 1:04:48 PM | message detail
Lee Everett isn't advertised, he's not on covers, he's never been on TV commercials, never been a part of any ad campaign, and unless he gets a large "The Walking Dead" logo somewhere on his match picture (which isn't extremely likely, given that R1 CB pics are usually just character shots against a basic gradient), then he might be largely unrecognizable. This is not the type of entrant that can beat Smash - and speaking as someone who really knows Nintendo fanbase and the Smash fanbase in particular - G&W isn't a Lucas-level scrub. People actually like him.

Regardless, most people seem to be thinking about G&W, when they should be thinking about Lee. Seriously, Lee Everett is the type of entrant who can - yes I'm about to say it - ACTUALLY LOSE TO JADE CURTISS in a 1v1. He needs the title of his game in his picture just to stand a chance. If not for Meat Boy's presence, G&W would throttle him, and the throttling may come anyway. For me, this is the most surprising B8 decision by far. At least Clementine is up against a mascot character who hasn't been around in over a decade, so it kinda makes sense. Lee is up against Smash. Actual, honest to goodness Smash. How is B8 picking him to win?
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#309 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/17/2013 1:14:27 PM | message detail
I already said I doubt G&W will be that weak. I don't have any expectations of strength either.

And going back to Gordon/Leon for a minute, if Gordon can't beat Leon right after HL2, he's not beating him when he's had nothing for years, unless you think RE6 has hurt Leon really badly.
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#310 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/17/2013 1:16:34 PM | message detail
Reyn > Clementine
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#311 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 6/17/2013 1:18:21 PM | message detail
I'm surprised people are actually considering taking Gordon over Leon. Do we even need to put up arguments here? It just seems so obvious to me.
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#312 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/17/2013 1:21:01 PM | message detail
Leon already beat him once and has only gotten more support and exposure than Gordon since then. I'm not sure if anyone is actually taking Gordon there - I'd like to think we're chatting about that match just because both characters are awesome.
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#313 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/17/2013 1:36:48 PM | message detail
Spyro actually beat Jade Curtiss in a vote-in poll quite easily. If you think Jade >= Lee, then there's a good chance of Spyro > Clementine. The three pack with those two and Reyn is gonna be fun.
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#314 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/17/2013 1:46:09 PM | message detail
Marth > Phoenix Wright, also.

PW will make it interesting, but he's not winning that one. He might even come in last.
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#315 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/17/2013 1:46:52 PM | message detail
I've actually got Spyro there. Both Clementine and Reyn are so new and un-advertised that I'm banking on a good chunk of the voters picking the first guy they recognize.
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#316 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/17/2013 1:48:04 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
Leon already beat him once and has only gotten more support and exposure than Gordon since then. I'm not sure if anyone is actually taking Gordon there - I'd like to think we're chatting about that match just because both characters are awesome.


From the 2010 stats:

Leon Kennedy (2010c) has a strength of 29.72 against Base Link.
Gordon Freeman (2010c) has a strength of 29.78 against Base Link.

Leon Kennedy 49.90% 36,178
Gordon Freeman 50.10% 36,324
TOTAL VOTES 72,503
Gordon Freeman wins with 50.10% of the vote!
A 146 vote margin of victory.

I mean, I'm not actually going to take that seriously but still.
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#317 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/17/2013 1:50:00 PM | message detail
Spyro might be the weakest character who's ever been in as many contests as he has. I'm not picking him to win anything until proven otherwise.
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#318 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/17/2013 1:52:16 PM | message detail
If Reyn gets a pic with his weapon, he pulls off the upset.
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#319 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/17/2013 1:54:45 PM | message detail
I think Jade Curtiss is the weakest character to be in over two contests, but Spyro is definitely up there. Despite having a popular PS1 franchise named after him, nobody seems to value him as a character. We also have general Skylanders hatred (it seems to be good but people have an irrational distaste for it, especially after Spyro got such a garbage redesign) and the fact that the PS2 Spyro games were complete trash

there's just no reason to vote for Spyro unless you were hardcore into his PS1 games, and even back in 2002 when they were more relevant those fans were just not there. Skylanders fans won't vote him because the game has little to no Spyro in it at all, and they seem to prefer their own specific Skylanders over Spyro anyway. I doubt Skylanders even has power on this site, though, it's very niche with actual gamers and only makes a lot of money because dumb kids and dumb parents buy all the expensive figures.
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#320 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 6/17/2013 2:01:09 PM | message detail
I think CATS is the weakest character to ever be in more than one contest, and you can't convince me into believing otherwise.
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#321 | superange128 | Posted 6/17/2013 2:09:29 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66489626
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#322 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/17/2013 2:34:19 PM | message detail
Spyro>Reyn>Clementine

Spyro is REALLY weak but I think those guys will be too.
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#323 | The Owner of FF9 | Posted 6/17/2013 2:54:31 PM | message detail
I'd have zero faith in both G&W and Spyro if it weren't for the other characters they're facing. I'm picking them based on established recognition and nothing else. Though it could be Walking Dead and Xenoblade are surprises this year.
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#324 | VeryInsane | Posted 6/17/2013 3:26:50 PM | message detail
Walking Dead has been advertised a lot lately through the many, many sales and a humble bundle had it included in it. It came in 4th in the GOTY poll before this and has constantly received praise and publicity. In addition, there's been over 3 million copies sold across PC/PS3/360.

I think Lee and Clementine will be stronger than a lot of people are giving them credit. I think G+W might win and I have Clem winning over Spyro as more of a homer type of pick, but it's going to be close.
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#325 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/17/2013 3:47:26 PM | message detail
I think Lee will be decent, but I have no faith in Clementine. Hard for me to imagine GameFAQs voting a little girl over a (has-been) mascot and an (obscure) JRPG character.
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#326 | Advokaiser | Posted 6/17/2013 4:44:32 PM | message detail
Hey, I have a question:

Charizard>Zelda>Lightning, right?
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#327 | _SecretSquirrel | Posted 6/17/2013 4:48:43 PM | message detail
Spyro has enough of the intangibles for me to back him in this match. Higher seed, name recognition and having his name tied to his series, and he is going to stand out like crazy in the match pic.
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#328 | superange128 | Posted 6/17/2013 4:49:52 PM | message detail
Spyro might have the "grr why he wasn't he included in Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale" game factor and make people remember him positivley in that regard
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#329 | Advokaiser | Posted 6/17/2013 4:53:18 PM | message detail
Oh, and another thing: How strong are Big Boss and Luigi exactly? I sense the favorite here might be Luigi but I don't know squat.
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#330 | superange128 | Posted 6/17/2013 5:08:18 PM | message detail
without LFF I would take Luigi assuming Big Boss gets a MGS5/Peace Walker pic
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#331 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/17/2013 7:27:51 PM | message detail | (edited)
They have about similar strength.

I do wonder how much of an effect Ness would have in that match, he suffered a lot of SFF against Mario and Bowser in the past so LFF may not be much of a factor.

It can still potentially be a difference maker, even if it only has a small effect.
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#332 | VideoboysaysCube | Posted 6/17/2013 7:56:36 PM | message detail
How are you guys gauging Missingno's strength? I feel like he has the potential to be the next L Block, but I'm really not sure. I have him winning the whole thing right now, which I can't decide if it's a crazy idea or what.
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#333 | spooky96 | Posted 6/17/2013 8:01:43 PM | message detail
Originally I had him being beaten to Mario. But after getting bashed by B8, I picked him to lose to Squall.
#334 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 6/17/2013 8:01:51 PM | message detail
superange128 posted...
Spyro might have the "grr why he wasn't he included in Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale" game factor and make people remember him positivley in that regard


I wonder how much this matters. Crash and Spyro getting snubbed from PASBR seemed to get people talking positively about them for the first time in years. Since they never got in the game, they also avoid any bashlash from being bad in the game or being in a game that isn't considered very good.
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#335 | swirIdude | Posted 6/17/2013 8:04:25 PM | message detail
superange128 posted...
Spyro might have the "grr why he wasn't he included in Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale" game factor and make people remember him positivley in that regard


Oh good, that should be worth about 2 votes. And I assume 1 of them will be yours.
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#336 | LeonhartFone | Posted 6/17/2013 8:09:26 PM | message detail
Spyro was never a mascot character. Where did this come from?
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#337 | therealmnm | Posted 6/17/2013 8:11:34 PM | message detail
Took a look at the bracket. I don't even know a good chunk of the characters let alone know how popular they or their games are. I actually just came to ask:

How the **** did Spring Breeze Dancin' get into the contest? I literally laughed out loud. Awesome. And Epona. More awesome. And of course Zero. Zero will win it all. That is all.

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#338 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/17/2013 8:11:59 PM | message detail
I kinda refer to all of those cutesy platform characters as mascots.
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#339 | LeonhartFone | Posted 6/17/2013 8:14:50 PM | message detail
The only mascot character from the PS platformers is Crash.

Spyro was never that popular. Facing niche characters or not I still expect him to lose.
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#340 | superange128 | Posted 6/17/2013 8:18:59 PM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
superange128 posted...
Spyro might have the "grr why he wasn't he included in Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale" game factor and make people remember him positivley in that regard


Oh good, that should be worth about 2 votes. And I assume 1 of them will be yours.


It's weird that he's not in but I don't really care

I'm probably not voting him since i haven't played any of his games but I want to try em out
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#341 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/17/2013 8:49:25 PM | message detail
What? Spyro was crazy popular, maybe it was just where I lived
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#342 | pjbasis | Posted 6/17/2013 8:50:23 PM | message detail
Yeah Spyro wasn't too far behind Crash.

Universal pushed that thing
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#343 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/17/2013 9:04:07 PM | message detail
It took until vote 329 for the first option to get a single vote.
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#344 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 6/17/2013 9:19:35 PM | message detail
LeonhartFone posted...
The only mascot character from the PS platformers is Crash.

Spyro was never that popular. Facing niche characters or not I still expect him to lose.


While Crash is the big omission from PASBR, Spyro, Lara and Cloud also frequently came up as missing characters that people expected to be on the roster.
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#345 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/18/2013 3:14:13 AM | message detail
I don't recall anyone ever caring about Spyro. But for anyone who just wants to give it to Spyro because he's got some mainstream recognition, regardless of what it is, just keep in mind that these 3-D platforming guys are well capable of losing to bad fodder.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2886

Quadrupled by Leon, tripled by Vivi, doubled by Ridley.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2889

And while Rayman was never super popular, he's at least been relevant in the last 5+ years, and he lost to Vyse pretty easily. This site has never really cared about 3-D platformers. Ratchet's probably the strongest of them nowadays, but he used to scrape the bottom of the barrel himself.

I mean, if you want to pick Spyro based on him being the most recognizable of the 3, go ahead. It might pay off, but I ain't pickin' anyone that weak until they prove to me they can do it.
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#346 | Safer_777 | Posted 6/18/2013 3:28:27 AM | message detail
Hey Leon what happened to your prediction topic?It got deleted?It was fun to watch your analysis.Although I believe that the Pokemon characters will do very good this time.
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#347 | jacko_vdz | Posted 6/18/2013 3:31:57 AM | message detail
I'm probably one of the very few people picking Reyn in that match.

LET'S NOT LOSE OUR 'EADS THO!
#348 | pjbasis | Posted 6/18/2013 3:35:08 AM | message detail
This board has a hardon for Xenoblade so I doubt you're very alone.

Also Spyro is piss weak and Clementine has a pretty low floor.
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#349 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/18/2013 3:36:53 AM | message detail
Probably purged.

And I'm not saying Spyro can't win. With that group of characters, it's possible, but he's more than capable of finishing dead last in that group, too. That pack is a crapshoot, emphasis on the crap.
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#350 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/18/2013 3:56:28 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
while Rayman was never super popular, he's at least been relevant in the last 5+ years, and he lost to Vyse pretty easily.


That match took place more than five years ago, however. Also that match took place arguably about 5+ years after his time in the spot had ended. Now he's kinda back so I'd pick him over Vyse who has gotten...I was about to say nothing, then I remembered that racing game.
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