Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1055

#151 | tennisboy213 | Posted 6/15/2013 7:48:36 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Unless you think Bowser = Kratos (and thus Tails gets 40% on Bowser), then Charizard had a nice boost from bandwagoning and the match being on HG/SS release day. Bowser probably would win a rematch on, say, Round 1.

Of course, things could have changed a lot in three years, and Charizard could probably beat Bowser legit now. It's just that people are overrating Charizard a bit because OMG 55% ON BOWSER.


That and 46.41% on freaking Mario 1 vs 1.
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#152 | spooky96 | Posted 6/15/2013 7:55:45 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Unless you think Bowser = Kratos (and thus Tails gets 40% on Bowser), then Charizard had a nice boost from bandwagoning and the match being on HG/SS release day. Bowser probably would win a rematch on, say, Round 1.

Of course, things could have changed a lot in three years, and Charizard could probably beat Bowser legit now. It's just that people are overrating Charizard a bit because OMG 55% ON BOWSER.


That and 46.41% on freaking Mario 1 vs 1.


I absolutely hate your signature and that was on the day when HG/SS was released. People were all around on GameFAQs looking for guides, cheats and FAQs.
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#153 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/15/2013 7:57:21 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Unless you think Bowser = Kratos (and thus Tails gets 40% on Bowser), then Charizard had a nice boost from bandwagoning and the match being on HG/SS release day. Bowser probably would win a rematch on, say, Round 1.

Of course, things could have changed a lot in three years, and Charizard could probably beat Bowser legit now. It's just that people are overrating Charizard a bit because OMG 55% ON BOWSER.


That and 46.41% on freaking Mario 1 vs 1.


So I assume you have L-Block winning it all again this year?
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#154 | VeryInsane | Posted 6/15/2013 8:03:29 AM | message detail
Quick Question:

How well received was the Mass Effect trilogy on the PS3?

I've been kinda low on them for this contest, but 2 platforms may be enough to possibly get at least pretty close to Aeris.
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#155 | spooky96 | Posted 6/15/2013 8:04:33 AM | message detail
VeryInsane posted...
Quick Question:

How well received was the Mass Effect trilogy on the PS3?

I've been kinda low on them for this contest, but 2 platforms may be enough to possibly get at least pretty close to Aeris.


Shepard is winning that match, no concern.
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#156 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2013 8:24:24 AM | message detail
I wouldn't be so sure in terms of it being no concern, unless you are expecting FFVII to get a huge drop.

Aerith got 42.36% on Auron which is decent while Commander Shepard got 38.99% on Pikachu when Mass Effect 2 was released about a week earlier and that game had Halo 3-like hype.
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#157 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/15/2013 8:26:51 AM | message detail
tennisboy213 posted...
Not_Wylvane posted...
Unless you think Bowser = Kratos (and thus Tails gets 40% on Bowser), then Charizard had a nice boost from bandwagoning and the match being on HG/SS release day. Bowser probably would win a rematch on, say, Round 1.

Of course, things could have changed a lot in three years, and Charizard could probably beat Bowser legit now. It's just that people are overrating Charizard a bit because OMG 55% ON BOWSER.


That and 46.41% on freaking Mario 1 vs 1.


Charizard got a bandwagon against Mario, and benefited from HGSS release day against Bowser. He's probably just a little stronger than Bowser (like, even more little than what he showed) and would just about clear 40% on Mario normally.
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#158 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 6/15/2013 8:31:06 AM | message detail
spooky96 posted...
VeryInsane posted...
Quick Question:

How well received was the Mass Effect trilogy on the PS3?

I've been kinda low on them for this contest, but 2 platforms may be enough to possibly get at least pretty close to Aeris.


Shepard is winning that match, no concern.


Shepard vs Aeris is still a toss-up for most people. Let's not jump to conclusion just yet.
#159 | spooky96 | Posted 6/15/2013 8:41:25 AM | message detail
Yeah but we've got ME3 fans too this time plus Square is constantly falling, well at least FF VII and Crono aren't as much trusted as they were before.

And since we always get Link vs Cloud match, IIRC there was a steady decline in Cloud losing the match. He dropped by 1% every year against Link.
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#160 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 8:49:05 AM | message detail
There are ME3 fans?
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#161 | spooky96 | Posted 6/15/2013 8:52:03 AM | message detail
Oops

>_>

The game's ending. Oh yeah no fans.
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#162 | SwordArtAlbion | Posted 6/15/2013 9:10:22 AM | message detail
Huh, I didn't know people viewed that Aerith/Shepard match as debateable.. I took Shep without a second thought there. The strongest new character of the gen vs a middle tier character from a fast declining game doesn't really seem like a close match to me.
#163 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/15/2013 9:35:05 AM | message detail | (edited)
Aerith wasn't a middle tier character in 2010, she may lose to the Square and Nintendo near-elites, but she was still up there in strength. Of course this is 2013 so she'll likely lose to more characters.

Shepard may be our strongest new character, but honestly that isn't saying much, for him to "easily win" he'll have to be close to the near-elites which is a bit high for me.
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#164 | spooky96 | Posted 6/15/2013 9:46:03 AM | message detail
By the way in the survey which I conducted here a few days ago got this results for this question:

8. Shepard vs Aerith. Who is going to win that match?
Shepard: 45
Aerith: 19

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#165 | ctesjbuvf | Posted 6/15/2013 10:19:23 AM | message detail | (edited)
A survey means absolutely nothing for the outcome really. People are just really fast to be all over stuff such as "FFVII has fallen". And a good bunch of people just follow the majority to decide their matches.

Shepard could win, but there's no way FFVII has fallen so much and Mass Effect has been boosted so much that this match with 100% accuracy.
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#166 | spooky96 | Posted 6/15/2013 10:23:30 AM | message detail
ctesjbuvf posted...
A survey means absolutely nothing for the outcome really. People are just really fast to be all over stuff such as "FFVII has fallen". And a good bunch of people just follow the majority to decide their matches.

Shepard could win, but there's no way FFVII has fallen so much and Mass Effect has been boosted so much that this match with 100% accuracy.


Of course it means nothing, you mentioning it wasn't very clever of you either. It just simply shows a few people's thoughts as to who'd win. Of course this doesn't secure Shepard's victory in the actual contest. I just posted to show that most people on this board think Aerith won't make it.

Sorry not bashing you at all, may have sounded a little harsh though >_>
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#167 | abdou | Posted 6/15/2013 10:38:23 AM | message detail
I don't have much faith in any of the ME characters, ME3 being so "hated" and Shepard not being very strong to begin with , I will side with FFVII on this one.
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#168 | superange128 | Posted 6/15/2013 10:43:14 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
There are ME3 fans?


I know some who considered the best in the series
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#169 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 6/15/2013 11:15:38 AM | message detail
Kotetsu534 posted...
Yep, I get the feeling we're in for another MM > GSC type result that blows a large portion of B8 brackets to smithereens.


Except the bracket that mattered most (Guru winner WHAT!?)
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#170 | Advokaiser | Posted 6/15/2013 11:59:03 AM | message detail
So people aren't whining about the contest having three-way matches anymore?

Phew. I think it's safe here.
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#171 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 12:03:08 PM | message detail
ME3 should be loved and I think people have calmed down enough over the last year to realize how excellent the game is.
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#172 | Achromatic | Posted 6/15/2013 12:30:23 PM | message detail
I'd be shocked if Aerith won that.
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#173 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 12:48:07 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
ME3 should be loved and I think people have calmed down enough over the last year to realize how excellent the game is.


Not really. I only played the game recently and thought it was somewhat lackluster, not even factoring in the ending. It's just not nearly as liked a a game as ME2.
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#174 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/15/2013 1:07:33 PM | message detail
Ultimaphazon posted...
I really like the new and improved geolocation maps. Seeing exact percentages for every country in the world could be fun for those who have too much free time. Well, not quite every country, since some mini-countries are missing, like Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, but still, it's a much more info than we previously had, when we could only make out the winner.


Also, for the UK, you can view results for different areas of England, such as "London" and "West Midlands". When I asked Bacon to give us the option to view results for England as a whole, he said it wasn't possible because of the Geolocation software they are using. So we're stuck having to view results for different areas of England.
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#175 | abdou | Posted 6/15/2013 1:41:45 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
ME3 should be loved and I think people have calmed down enough over the last year to realize how excellent the game is.


I think it's more likely that people just don't care about ME anymore, the trilogy is over and there is no news/hype for a next installment yet. ME3 being so "hated" does not help either. I am expecting the ME crew to underperform this contest.
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#176 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/15/2013 1:46:27 PM | message detail
Advokaiser posted...
So people aren't whining about the contest having three-way matches anymore?

Phew. I think it's safe here.


We're still a little sore about it, but we're willing to give it a shot. If it tanks, hey, it was a one time deal. If it's good, sweet, good contest!
#177 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/15/2013 1:51:33 PM | message detail
Advokaiser posted...
So people aren't whining about the contest having three-way matches anymore?

Phew. I think it's safe here.


I'm willing to whine about three-ways so you'll go away.
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#178 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 1:52:41 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
ME3 should be loved and I think people have calmed down enough over the last year to realize how excellent the game is.


Not really. I only played the game recently and thought it was somewhat lackluster, not even factoring in the ending. It's just not nearly as liked a a game as ME2.


Strange, and a shame. Game hits some incredible high notes.
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#179 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 1:57:48 PM | message detail
It's strange that you think it's strange! The game has a ton of issues that aren't easy to swallow if you aren't a mega-fan of the series that would just eat anything up anyway., and that's not a rare opinion or anything. I think ME3 would actually be the weakest game in the series in a contest setting.
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#180 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 2:17:19 PM | message detail | (edited)
I actually think it's the mega-fans of the series that expected far too much of it. Scanning Bioware forums and seeing the people who actually think the ME2 squadmates were "shafted" (they actually think Miranda was shafted, wut) just makes me think "????". I think ME3 has the best gameplay in the series and makes ME2 seem pretty insignificant story-wise. Like I said, I would expect it to do poorly after the whole ending controversy, but I dunno, I just expect people to relax about it after a length of time.
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#181 | FFDragon | Posted 6/15/2013 2:17:20 PM | message detail
A lot of ME2 squadmates were shafted so I don't know what you're talking about XIII!

That's the price you pay for making literally everyone in the game killable though.
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#182 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 2:31:58 PM | message detail | (edited)
They were shafted only if you're completely unrealistic...I don't think Bioware could have given every squadmate a massive amount of preferential treatment. I mean, they were shafted if you wanted the game to be built around them. If that was your expectation, then sure, I guess I can see why you'd say that. But I think that would detract from the overall whole - time spent there, resources spent there, are taken away from something more valuable.

But go on a Bioware forum and you see totally unreasonable, unnecessarily negative things like "BIOWARE HATES THE ME2 SQUADMATES!!!!" and it's a bit of an odd reaction. That's the kind of backlash I'm talking about that dies down with time, because I would expect someone to chill about that over time.

Eventually you stop comparing a game to its predecessor and evaluate it on its merits, that's when you see how good it is. That's what I did with MGS3, for instance. I was initially disappointed because it wasn't as good as MGS2. Then you play it and...yeah actually it's pretty damn close and MGS3 is also an all-time classic.
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#183 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/15/2013 2:47:24 PM | message detail
abdou posted...
I don't have much faith in any of the ME characters, ME3 being so "hated" and Shepard not being very strong to begin with , I will side with FFVII on this one.


Didn't most of us think Brawl was going to flop in BGE2009 for similar reasons?
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#184 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 2:49:28 PM | message detail | (edited)
I don't really feel like the ME2 crew was 'shafted', but their general absence from the game meant for a much less interesting cast and crew. I'm still trying to puzzle out why James was even written.

ME3 has a lot of problems when looked at on its own merits. The gameplay is basically the same as ME2 and is still fun, so that's good. The pacing is wonky, though - the game really jump-starts the entire conflict way too soon and tries to keep it going through the whole game, with the result that only one or two setpieces are actually memorable (Tuchanka was good). Some character deaths are completely nonsensical. The Illusive Man and Cerberus as a whole is handled very poorly when compared to the previous two games. Kai Leng is basically the worst game character ever written and I still can't believe he exists. What is supposed to be the most important backstory sequence in the series only happens if you buy and know to bring along a DLC character. And the ending, which can't really be swept under the rug.

There's more, but those are the big ones I think. It's not a bad game, but it's got flaws up the wazoo.
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#185 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/15/2013 2:51:04 PM | message detail
kai leng stole andersons cereal

I'm not lying that's a lot point from one of the books
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#186 | SonicRaptor | Posted 6/15/2013 2:59:18 PM | message detail
LinkMarioSamus posted...
abdou posted...
I don't have much faith in any of the ME characters, ME3 being so "hated" and Shepard not being very strong to begin with , I will side with FFVII on this one.


Didn't most of us think Brawl was going to flop in BGE2009 for similar reasons?


Brawl only got hate from hardcore tourny players whom most SSB fans really hate and look down upon. ME3 was something else because the hatred last year was damn near universal across its entire fanbase for that "ending".
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#187 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 3:01:13 PM | message detail
I think the biggest misconception is that people were only dissatisfied with the ending. The ending was really bad and all but there were a lot of other reasons as to why it was disappointing.
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#188 | redrocket | Posted 6/15/2013 3:07:29 PM | message detail | (edited)
KamikazePotato posted...
I think the biggest misconception is that people were only dissatisfied with the ending. The ending was really bad and all but there were a lot of other reasons as to why it was disappointing.


What? I thought the consensus was that the ending was a disaster but the game overall was still great and a marvelous continuation of the series(up until the very end).

Also, while most people don't really like the EC, it did at least expunge most of the bitterness left by the original ending.
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#189 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/15/2013 3:06:06 PM | message detail
not enough zaeed and kasumi

and apparently the Galaxy relies on my multiplayer skillz

and if you let someone die in me2 it basically has no impact on 3

the only redeeming part was how great citadel was
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#190 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/15/2013 3:08:59 PM | message detail
ME3 got rolled by Borderlands 2 and Xenoblade Chronicles on GameFAQs. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4961
ME2 wrecked Borderlands 2 and sorta held up to Skyrim. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4962
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#191 | redrocket | Posted 6/15/2013 3:09:52 PM | message detail
Anways, we've seen evidence before that a bad game doesn't negatively affect characters; they can even boost from it!
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#192 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 3:10:29 PM | message detail
I think that ME3 would win a rematch with Borderlands 2, though. Borderlands 2 strikes me as the definition of a flash-in-the-pan game.

Which means that XENOBLADE IS THE TRUE GOTY OF 2012 YEAH.
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#193 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/15/2013 3:12:17 PM | message detail
me3 has solid gameplay and some great moments

then other times you're battling a reaper on foot and dodge rolling its lasers. is this a goddamn michael bay movie?

that kind of stupidity coupled with a whole bunch of subpar writing and disappointing climaxes to smaller plots


there's also a lot of choice illusions. lots of things you can't change no matter what. and they took a bunch of plot points from 1 and 2 and just made them bullet points on the galactic readiness chart
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#194 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 3:14:16 PM | message detail
redrocket posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
I think the biggest misconception is that people were only dissatisfied with the ending. The ending was really bad and all but there were a lot of other reasons as to why it was disappointing.


What? I thought the consensus was that the ending was a disaster but the game overall was still great and a marvelous continuation of the series(up until the very end).

Also, while most people don't really like the EC, it did at least expunge most of the bitterness left by the original ending.


This comes back to what I was saying earlier, really. People hated the ending and it coloured their perception on the rest of the game, blaming the evil Bioware for being evil and stuff. Thus, minor flaws were overblown, and stuff that isn't even a thing becomes a flaw ("Bioware hates Miranda because she's competition to their pet, Liara". Literally). When people dislike something they look for whatever they can to fuel their hate. It'll relax itself over time.
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#195 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 3:16:55 PM | message detail
Dude, I just listed a bunch of legitimate flaws with the game and Zen is listing more. I played the game almost a year came out, with the Extended Cut already out and the full knowledge that the ending probably wasn't going to be so great. The rest of the game still disappointed me. You're really trivializing a lot of legitimate issues.
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#196 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/15/2013 3:21:44 PM | message detail
me3 is still pretty good. me and me 2 are GREAT though.

If it wasn't for the citadel dlc I wouldn't even play me3 again. There's just nothing ad compelling. no intricacies. It's all very cookie cutter and action movie-ish, and not in a good way like zaeeds dlc

I tried playing me3 again and it just didn't grab me. ive played 2 like 10 times though and I'd do it again.
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#197 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 3:26:16 PM | message detail | (edited)
KamikazePotato posted...
I don't really feel like the ME2 crew was 'shafted', but their general absence from the game meant for a much less interesting cast and crew. I'm still trying to puzzle out why James was even written.

ME3 has a lot of problems when looked at on its own merits. The gameplay is basically the same as ME2 and is still fun, so that's good. The pacing is wonky, though - the game really jump-starts the entire conflict way too soon and tries to keep it going through the whole game, with the result that only one or two setpieces are actually memorable (Tuchanka was good). Some character deaths are completely nonsensical. The Illusive Man and Cerberus as a whole is handled very poorly when compared to the previous two games. Kai Leng is basically the worst game character ever written and I still can't believe he exists. What is supposed to be the most important backstory sequence in the series only happens if you buy and know to bring along a DLC character. And the ending, which can't really be swept under the rug.

There's more, but those are the big ones I think. It's not a bad game, but it's got flaws up the wazoo.


Well James was because you could literally go the whole game with only 2 squadmates otherwise (EDI and Liara). Your question here should really be "why could you kill Garrus and Tali in ME2", or "why was Javik DLC" or "why could you kill the Virmire survivor midway through the game". Because a new squadmate absolutely was necessary.

Which ones were nonsensical?

I also don't get the Kai Leng hate. He's like...uh...Volgin. Yeah. In a series where many of the villains are kind of ambiguous (Saren wanted synthesis - a legit ending option - and was indoctrinated anyway; TIM wanted control - a legit ending option - and was indoctrinated anyway; even the Reapers were built with a noble goal in mind), it's nice to have an actual rival who you just want to kill - no complicated questions asked.
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#198 | ZenOfThunder | Posted 6/15/2013 3:27:05 PM | message detail
Kai lent once attempted to pee in someone's potted plant just to prove he could

He is terribly written. If you want a good simple character you look at zaeed. If you want someone who somehow is negative one dimensional, you look at Kai leng. He's such a try hard but in a way a little kid who watched too much anime tries hard to look cool.
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#199 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 3:28:11 PM | message detail
Which ones were nonsensical?

Thane and Legion's deaths were really dumb. Grunt's potential death is also a little silly. Only good one was Mordin.

Volgin was a bad villain. Kai Leng is worse - comes out of nowhere, has a design that completely clashes with the universe's setting, embarrassing dialogue, is built up as invincible despite being obviously incompetent in many scenes, not fun to fight in boss fights.
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#200 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/15/2013 3:29:14 PM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Dude, I just listed a bunch of legitimate flaws with the game and Zen is listing more. I played the game almost a year came out, with the Extended Cut already out and the full knowledge that the ending probably wasn't going to be so great. The rest of the game still disappointed me. You're really trivializing a lot of legitimate issues.


Oh I wasn't accusing you of those things. You are from b8, not some bioware forum, so you're smarter/less irrational almost by default. But I'd also say you don't represent the majority here. You're listing some deeper flaws, whereas I'm talking about people who are feeling, or felt, a sort of...contrived hate, one they looked for to justify their position - rather than an organic, critical one, like yours. Even if I disagree with yours I can at least recognise some of your conclusions as logical and not born from some idiotic rage.
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