Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1055

#101 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/14/2013 12:21:21 PM | message detail
If you want to see some crazy percentages with the new poll maps, this poll has some really strong differences between countries:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3856

Highest percentages for Cloud:

Latvia - 96.00%
Syria - 90.00%
Morocco - 88.24%
Lithuania - 86.36%
Malaysia - 85.64%
Philippines - 84.04%
Indonesia - 83.96%
South Africa - 83.33%
Ukraine - 81.08%
Russia - 79.46%
Slovakia - 77.42%
Thailand - 77.27%
Croatia - 76.92%
Czech Republic - 74.55%
Poland - 72.26%
Bulgaria - 72.22%
Portugal - 72.18%
Hungary - 71.54%
Serbia - 71.43%
Luxembourg - 71.43%
Belarus - 70.00%

Highest percentages for Link:

Honduras - 72.73%
Austria - 62.50%
Netherlands - 61.70%
Panama - 61.64%
Ecuador - 60.92%
Venezuela - 60.78%
Mexico - 60.33%
Chile - 58.15%
Bolivia - 57.89%
El Salvador - 57.14%
United States - 57.12%
Sweden - 56.36%
Switzerland - 56.31%
Canada - 55.61%
Norway - 55.27%
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#102 | HaRRicH | Posted 6/14/2013 12:30:50 PM | message detail
Yeah, GLaDOS and WCC looked alright until they faced real competition in Kirby/Luigi. It's hard to judge what Portal 2 and free Portal did for GLaDOS/Chell from the Rivalry Rumble, too, since it's (thankfully) our only Rivalry Rumble. They did keep competitive with Frog/Magus, but 59% on Ness/Giygas isn't too hot either. Chell's bound to be an anchor for GLaDOS, but I don't think there's anything else to really take from their matches.

Portal 2 got Wheatley in the contest and it's definitely a quality game all-around, so it's bound to have some effect on GLaDOS since it's just her second game...but it was also easily over-shadowed in 2011 by Skyrim, LoZ:SS, and B:AC.

I feel okay taking GLaDOS over Ike with her potential, but Portal 2's still something of an unknown quantity for its characters.
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#103 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2013 12:31:43 PM | message detail
I expect Wheatley to be really weak.

Debating on whether I should take Crash or Vercetti to win that match.
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#104 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/14/2013 12:38:11 PM | message detail
HaRRicH posted...
Portal 2 got Wheatley in the contest and it's definitely a quality game all-around, so it's bound to have some effect on GLaDOS since it's just her second game...but it was also easily over-shadowed in 2011 by Skyrim, LoZ:SS, and B:AC.


I don't think Portal 2 was over-shadowed in 2011 because Portal 2 came out in April while the other games came in October and November. People had plenty of time to play Portal 2 because all the big games came out near the end of the year.
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#105 | HaRRicH | Posted 6/14/2013 12:45:11 PM | message detail
You're correct in that sense, Luster; I was meaning more in hindsight. Still, that six months could prove kind to its characters...

...but I don't expect much from Wheatley either, which is a crime. I figure Crash takes it out of name-power alone.
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#106 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/14/2013 12:46:50 PM | message detail
Crash winning a match would be pretty amazing considering he hasn't won a match since the very first contest.
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#107 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 12:47:28 PM | message detail
Okay so using Portal's round 2 performance against Metal Gear Solid 4 (round 1 was about the same) and Resident Evil 4's performance against MGS4 RE4 was expected to get 58.97% against Portal, pre-free release.

Now using the match the two games had during the GotD post-free Portal would get 53.94% against pre-free Portal.

If we assume the same boost for GlaDOS a post-free Portal GlaDOS would be expected to get 34.30% against Kirby. Of course with all these assumptions lots of things could go wrong plus there's no way to consider how much Portal 2 would boost GlaDOS.
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#108 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/14/2013 1:43:40 PM | message detail
Remember how much Commander Shepard and Big Daddy boosted just due to their games receiving sequels? Heck, then Mass Effect and BioShock boosted for the same reason, at least if GOTD is any indication.

Heck, Super Mario Galaxy probably benefited the same way.
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#109 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 2:04:22 PM | message detail
To be fair both Mass Effect 2 and Bioshock 2 were released during the 2010 contest.
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#110 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 2:30:49 PM | message detail
I've updated the BOP (19 brackets) here are the results of some matches we've talked about the past few days and some other interesting matches.

Round 1

Tharja – 11
Juliet Starling – 6
Tiny Tina – 2

Phoenix Wright – 13
Marth – 6

Sub-Zero – 16
Garrus Vakarian – 3

Clementine – 13
Spyro the Dragon – 5
Reyn – 1

Ness – 15
Locke Cole – 3
CATS – 1

Wheatley – 14
Crash Bandicoot – 4
Tommy Vercetti – 1

Alucard – 14
Captain Falcon – 4
Rydia – 1

Bayonetta – 13
N – 6

Altair – 15
Shulk – 4

Zack Fair – 15
Ryu Hayabusa – 3
Kefka – 1

Magus – 16
Hal “Otacon” Emmerich – 3

Booker DeWitt – 13
Gilgamesh – 6

Groose – 12
Yoshimitsu – 5
Lu Bu – 2

Lee Everett – 14
Mr. Game & Watch – 3
Meat Boy – 2

Nathan Drake – 11
Pac-Man – 7
Steve – 1

Fox McCloud – 10
Pokemon Trainer Blue – 9

Neku Sakuraba – 8
Catherine – 8
Vaas Montenegro – 3

Yuna – 10
Master Chief – 9

Missingno – 16
Tidus – 3

Creeper – 10
Wario – 9

Pit – 11
Cecil Harvey – 5
Urdnot Wrex – 3

? Block – 11
Rikku – 8

Round 2

Commander Shepard – 12
Aerith Gainsborough – 7

Mega Man X – 15
Ryu – 4

Big Boss – 10
Luigi – 9

GlaDOS – 10
Ike – 6
Epona – 3

Zack Fair – 13
Ryu Hayabusa – 3
Lara Croft – 2
Slime – 1

Dante – 12
Squirtle – 7

Pikachu – 16
Crono – 3

Fox McCloud – 8
Pokemon Trainer Blue – 8
Nathan Drake – 3

Tifa Lockheart – 12
Dragonborn – 5
Master Chief – 2

Pokemon Trainer Red – 13
Cecil Harvey – 3
Creeper – 3

Charizard – 13
Zelda – 4
Lightning – 2

Round 3

Vincent Valentine – 10
Sonic the Hedgehog – 9

Sora – 15
Crono – 2
Pikachu – 2

Charizard – 13
Mega Man – 5
Lightning – 1

Round 4

Solid Snake – 15
Cloud Strife – 4

Mario – 17
Charizard – 1
Samus Aran – 1

Round 5

Link – 14
Solid Snake – 5
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#111 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 6/14/2013 2:48:47 PM | message detail
Dilated Chemist posted...
At the moment I have a Noble Nine Final 9, doesn't feel right.


Well that's how the contest was designed, from what I can tell. The only NN's that I don't have in the Final 9 are Crono (losing to Pikachu b/c of SFF from Magus) and MegaMan (with SFF from Zero). I am nervous about a couple others, though...

Sonic > Vincent > Bowser.....this one is very scary to me. Vincent has always been right at NN territory, and Sonic is probably the third-weakest of the group right now after Crono/MM. Bowser is going to have a strong effect on this match because he's the only Mario/Nintendo stalwart in the battle, and I think Bowser's vote drag will be stronger on Sonic than Vincent. It all depends on how much better Sonic is than Vincent in a straight-up vote. I'm not going to change this pick but I'm definitely going to sweat it out.

Snake > GlaDOS.....less scary but as others have pointed out, we just have no idea how much of a boost Portal 2 is giving to GlaDOS. I think we'll know after her second-round match whether or not she has a shot to take down Snake.

Megaman's Bracket....everything makes me nervous. Even though Megaman and Zero's routes SEEM straightforward, they've each got a potential "joke" character (Red Bird for MM and ? Block for Zero) that could make runs in a multi-battle and destroy this entire bracket. If Zero gets upset by ? block, is that enough of a difference for MM to beat Charizard? Or would the "joke" character (? block OR red bird) actually win the bracket and make the Final 9? And even if all the favorites make it, just how strong is Zero's SFF against MM? I feel like it's strong enough to lose to Charizard. 46% against Mario is no joke (it's better than Zelda did against Mario 8 years ago lol).


Not sure if any of that is "common knowledge" (or common stupidity :P) as I don't frequent this board in the offseason.
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#112 | foxhead84 | Posted 6/14/2013 2:54:53 PM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
I've updated the BOP (19 brackets) here are the results of some matches we've talked about the past few days and some other interesting matches.

Zack Fair – 15
Ryu Hayabusa – 3
Kefka – 1


Zack and Kefka should be closer than this? I mean their 2010 x-stats look quite similar

Zack (2010c) VS Kefka (2010c)

Zack has a strength of 30.32.
Kefka has a strength of 29.11.

Zack wins with 52.00% of the vote!
A win of 2,565 with 64,278 total votes cast.
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#113 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 6/14/2013 4:46:27 PM | message detail
Sora over Crono? Really?
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#114 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/14/2013 4:49:26 PM | message detail
Most of the people with Sora over Crono probably have Crono losing to Pikachu. I don't think anyone would have both Crono and Sora getting to round 3 and then picking Sora over Crono.
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#115 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 5:32:21 PM | message detail
Zack and Kefka should be closer than this? I mean their 2010 x-stats look quite similar

There are several matches that may be close, but the board is completely overlooking. Given Kefka's history I'm not surprised people are not taking him.
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#116 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 5:34:07 PM | message detail
Also yeah most people taking Sora to win the division are taking it because they have Pikachu > Crono with Magus

I'm also quite nervous about that match. Just because there will be LFF doesn't mean it'll be auto-lose for Crono.
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#117 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/14/2013 5:39:00 PM | message detail
foxhead84 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
I've updated the BOP (19 brackets) here are the results of some matches we've talked about the past few days and some other interesting matches.

Zack Fair – 15
Ryu Hayabusa – 3
Kefka – 1


Zack and Kefka should be closer than this? I mean their 2010 x-stats look quite similar

Zack (2010c) VS Kefka (2010c)

Zack has a strength of 30.32.
Kefka has a strength of 29.11.

Zack wins with 52.00% of the vote!
A win of 2,565 with 64,278 total votes cast.


charmander6000 posted...
Zack and Kefka should be closer than this? I mean their 2010 x-stats look quite similar

There are several matches that may be close, but the board is completely overlooking. Given Kefka's history I'm not surprised people are not taking him.


You're forgetting that Kefka is behind Charizard. You should trust his xstats value as far as you can spit.
#118 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 6/14/2013 5:43:52 PM | message detail
I'm feeling good about Pikachu's Crono chances. Pikachu got 45% against Snake but CB8 showed that Snake > Seph > Crono. Crono has likely gotten weaker since then, while Pikachu may be even stronger. Throw in Magus leeching off some votes, and the electric mouse is lookin' good.
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#119 | Haste_2 | Posted 6/14/2013 6:07:30 PM | message detail | (edited)
Phoenix is the heavy favorite in round 1, huh? Oh, wait, it's Board 8. I hope he wins, but I don't see it happening. I suppose Marth could be overrated and Nightmare may have dropped....who knows?

EDIT: I forgot this was a night match. I guess it's up in the air, then.

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#120 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/14/2013 5:52:44 PM | message detail
Pikachu's 45% against Snake happened as a result of the "Solid S***" picture (that refers to Snake's sprite picture). Snake has been known to underperform with a sprite picture.
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#121 | Haste_2 | Posted 6/14/2013 5:56:23 PM | message detail | (edited)
I would also like to add that Sprite Pikachu seems to be super-powered, as well, so it was a double-whammy against Snake.
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#122 | tennisboy213 | Posted 6/14/2013 6:03:36 PM | message detail
Julian_Caesar posted...
Snake > GlaDOS.


Epona > GlaDOS
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#123 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/14/2013 6:11:31 PM | message detail
DoctorJimmy133 posted...
I'm feeling good about Pikachu's Crono chances. Pikachu got 45% against Snake but CB8 showed that Snake > Seph > Crono. Crono has likely gotten weaker since then, while Pikachu may be even stronger. Throw in Magus leeching off some votes, and the electric mouse is lookin' good.


Do you think Pikachu beats Squall 57-43? If not, that value is bollocks.
#124 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/14/2013 6:12:37 PM | message detail
Haste_2 posted...
Phoenix is the heavy favorite in round 1, huh? Oh, wait, it's Board 8. I hope he wins, but I don't see it happening. I suppose Marth could be overrated and Nightmare may have dropped....who knows?

EDIT: I forgot this was a night match. I guess it's up in the air, then.


Nightmare is not even remotely close to Phoenix. He has an xstats value of, like 18.xx or so. Also, Marth probably IS a little overrated. He was up against Sephiroth and gaining from antivotes. That plus Dual Destinies plus UMvC3 makes Phoenix a legit pick.
#125 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 6/14/2013 6:33:45 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Pikachu's 45% against Snake happened as a result of the "Solid S***" picture (that refers to Snake's sprite picture). Snake has been known to underperform with a sprite picture.

Crud, I forgot about that. Snake is more recognizable there than he was when he almost lost to Bowser and Frog, though.

Haste_2 posted...
I would also like to add that Sprite Pikachu seems to be super-powered, as well, so it was a double-whammy against Snake.

I don't think there's any precedent for this other than beating Dante and Leon with a GB sprite, but even then, Pikachu had a GBA sprite against Snake.
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#126 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/14/2013 6:35:09 PM | message detail
DoctorJimmy133 posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Pikachu's 45% against Snake happened as a result of the "Solid S***" picture (that refers to Snake's sprite picture). Snake has been known to underperform with a sprite picture.

Crud, I forgot about that. Snake is more recognizable there than he was when he almost lost to Bowser and Frog, though.

Haste_2 posted...
I would also like to add that Sprite Pikachu seems to be super-powered, as well, so it was a double-whammy against Snake.

I don't think there's any precedent for this other than beating Dante and Leon with a GB sprite, but even then, Pikachu had a GBA sprite against Snake.


It's not about recognizability, it's about character design. Take all those Donte pic arguments and apply them to Solid **** and you probably get a similar result.
#127 | Haste_2 | Posted 6/14/2013 6:48:22 PM | message detail
Checking a few matches as well adjusted x-stats makes it obvious that Nightmare wasn't as weak as you say. Nightmare even outperformed Phoenix against a common opponent.

I forgot about UMvC3, though. Duh, me. I'll give you credit on that one. I'm way out of the loop.
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#128 | Calintares | Posted 6/14/2013 6:49:35 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
If you want to see some crazy percentages with the new poll maps, this poll has some really strong differences between countries:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3856

Highest percentages for Cloud:

Latvia - 96.00%
Syria - 90.00%
Morocco - 88.24%
Lithuania - 86.36%
Malaysia - 85.64%
Philippines - 84.04%
Indonesia - 83.96%
South Africa - 83.33%
Ukraine - 81.08%
Russia - 79.46%
Slovakia - 77.42%
Thailand - 77.27%
Croatia - 76.92%
Czech Republic - 74.55%
Poland - 72.26%
Bulgaria - 72.22%
Portugal - 72.18%
Hungary - 71.54%
Serbia - 71.43%
Luxembourg - 71.43%
Belarus - 70.00%

Highest percentages for Link:

Honduras - 72.73%
Austria - 62.50%
Netherlands - 61.70%
Panama - 61.64%
Ecuador - 60.92%
Venezuela - 60.78%
Mexico - 60.33%
Chile - 58.15%
Bolivia - 57.89%
El Salvador - 57.14%
United States - 57.12%
Sweden - 56.36%
Switzerland - 56.31%
Canada - 55.61%
Norway - 55.27%


And that's the contest in a nutshell right there and the reason why Link is invincible.
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#129 | Haste_2 | Posted 6/14/2013 6:58:44 PM | message detail
You know what would make an interesting contest?

Counting only one random nation's votes for that day. Just that nation.
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#130 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 7:05:26 PM | message detail
Nightmare wasn't a weak character Marth and Phoenix Wright would struggle to break 55% on him. SoulCalibur V was released last year, but I have a feeling he'll be close, but doesn't threaten to win the match.
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#131 | pjbasis | Posted 6/14/2013 7:08:39 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
It's not about recognizability, it's about character design. Take all those Donte pic arguments and apply them to Solid **** and you probably get a similar result.


Donte pics compound it further because it makes you think of the particular incarnation of the character, which many people dislike.

It's not like anyone would think "Aw man MGS Game Boy Snake?" I hated that guy!
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#132 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 7:30:23 PM | message detail
As for Pikachu we have Solid **** and Pokemon sprite to think about (not exactly sure how much a Pokemon sprite helps, if any). Looking back the only other character that has gotten Solid **** and possibility benefited from their own sprite was Frog in 2004.

Using Frog's change of strength from 2004 to 2005 based on 2010 Squall (Crono's number is useless and I'd assume he was at around Squall's strength) Pikachu would be expected to get 43%.

43% may be a hill too big for Pikachu to climb. LFF can only do so much, looking through the 2007 and 2008 contests shows that it is possible, but there are many matches where the damage was not significant enough to cover the spread.
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#133 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 6/14/2013 8:07:33 PM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Most of the people with Sora over Crono probably have Crono losing to Pikachu. I don't think anyone would have both Crono and Sora getting to round 3 and then picking Sora over Crono.


Pikachu over Crono?
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#134 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/14/2013 8:17:43 PM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Most of the people with Sora over Crono probably have Crono losing to Pikachu. I don't think anyone would have both Crono and Sora getting to round 3 and then picking Sora over Crono.


Pikachu over Crono?


Pikachu over Crono minus 15% of his votes because of Magus. Not a crazy pick.
#135 | Julian_Caesar | Posted 6/14/2013 8:27:57 PM | message detail
KanzarisKelshen posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
-LusterSoldier- posted...
Most of the people with Sora over Crono probably have Crono losing to Pikachu. I don't think anyone would have both Crono and Sora getting to round 3 and then picking Sora over Crono.


Pikachu over Crono?


Pikachu over Crono minus 15% of his votes because of Magus. Not a crazy pick.


I'm a huge Crono fanboy and I would be tempted to pick Pikachu even without Magus, assuming it wasn't a crazy SFF for Pikachu (a la Pokemon or SSB character). With Magus in the poll I'm definitely picking Pikachu, as much as it pains me to do so ;(
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#136 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/14/2013 8:41:14 PM | message detail
Starting to second guess Charizard > Zelda.
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#137 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 6/14/2013 8:45:04 PM | message detail
http://i.imgur.com/mFpg3DX.png

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#138 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/14/2013 8:47:55 PM | message detail
I'd have to make some adjustments
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#139 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/14/2013 8:50:55 PM | message detail
Zelda vs. Bowser, who wins?
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#140 | ffmasterjose | Posted 6/14/2013 8:52:15 PM | message detail
Bowser
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#141 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/14/2013 8:56:21 PM | message detail
Bowser, but I'd take Bowser over Charizard too.
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#142 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/14/2013 9:00:11 PM | message detail | (edited)
I think I'd take the semi-upset and go with Zelda there.

Feels like a Mario/Samus type of match.
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#143 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/14/2013 9:00:39 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/map?id=5119

"A poll must receive at least 500 votes before mapping is active."

Interesting restriction there.
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#144 | spooky96 | Posted 6/14/2013 9:14:41 PM | message detail
I have charmader6000's evolution's evolution smashing through Mario and Samus.

Why? Because I'm dumb. That's why.

No but seriously, Mario and Samus might just kill each other in order for Charizard to sneak in.
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#145 | tennisboy213 | Posted 6/15/2013 6:58:16 AM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Bowser, but I'd take Bowser over Charizard too.


hmmm interesting
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#146 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/15/2013 7:07:18 AM | message detail
Unless you think Bowser = Kratos (and thus Tails gets 40% on Bowser), then Charizard had a nice boost from bandwagoning and the match being on HG/SS release day. Bowser probably would win a rematch on, say, Round 1.

Of course, things could have changed a lot in three years, and Charizard could probably beat Bowser legit now. It's just that people are overrating Charizard a bit because OMG 55% ON BOWSER.
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#147 | Safer_777 | Posted 6/15/2013 7:08:54 AM | message detail
Was there an explanation why we have so many characters in this contest?I mean next time they will do a 4-way while the first guy advances only?
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#148 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 6/15/2013 7:09:25 AM | message detail
I really like the new and improved geolocation maps. Seeing exact percentages for every country in the world could be fun for those who have too much free time. Well, not quite every country, since some mini-countries are missing, like Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, but still, it's a much more info than we previously had, when we could only make out the winner.
#149 | KamikazePotato | Posted 6/15/2013 7:09:45 AM | message detail
I think people are overestimating Pokemon in general this year, which is weird because usually I'm the one that has to do that. Stuff like Pikachu>Crono without Magus even being there seems a little too out there for me.
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#150 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 6/15/2013 7:44:07 AM | message detail
Yep, I get the feeling we're in for another MM > GSC type result that blows a large portion of B8 brackets to smithereens.
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