Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1054

#201 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/9/2013 7:51:41 PM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
So, Neku/Vaas/Catherine? I can't be insane for favoring Catherine, even with the seeding.


I think Vaas will be a big flop. I can't see a character from the campaign mode of a shooting game having any kind of strength. The 3 biggest characters from Call of Duty 4 are the strongest characters from the campaign mode of a shooting game, with Captain John Price right around the fodder line.
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#202 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 7:54:41 PM | message detail
_SecretSquirrel posted...
So, Neku/Vaas/Catherine? I can't be insane for favoring Catherine, even with the seeding.


Atm I have neku, but that is mostly because I have no idea who catherine is. I should probably look into this <_<

I was assuming she was just some band wagon fodder?
#203 | pjbasis | Posted 6/9/2013 7:54:53 PM | message detail
I never thought Far Cry was a game played for multiplayer.

Isn't it all open-world and s***?
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#204 | SuperNiceDog | Posted 6/9/2013 7:57:37 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Tharja/Juliet/Tina is quite the killer.

I mean in terms of games it's Tina > Tharja > Juliet

but in terms of role within the game it's Juliet > Tharja > Tina


In terms of hotness:

Tharja>>>>>>>Juliet>>>Tina
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#205 | GANON1025 | Posted 6/9/2013 7:57:42 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Tharja/Juliet/Tina is quite the killer.

I mean in terms of games it's Tina > Tharja > Juliet

but in terms of role within the game it's Juliet > Tharja > Tina


Yeah, but nobody who has played Tina's game would vote for her.
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#206 | swordz9 | Posted 6/9/2013 7:59:37 PM | message detail
Man I'm seriously bummed we see 2 non-Squall 8 characters for the first time only for both to be screwed over in the first round.
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#207 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2013 8:14:08 PM | message detail
I picked Snake to win, because why in the hell not.
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#208 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/9/2013 8:14:37 PM | message detail
Yeah, but nobody who has played Tina's game would vote for her.

That's the problem, Borderlands 2 by far has the largest fanbase, but they don't care about her while Lollipop Chainsaw likely has the smallest yet are more likely to support Juliet.
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#209 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:15:21 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
I picked Snake to win, because why in the hell not.


Hell yeah!
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#210 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2013 8:20:12 PM | message detail
Pikachu > Snake and Cloud is also really tempting, but probably doesn't happen.
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#211 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:22:50 PM | message detail
Otacon beats Magus, and all is right in the world.
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#212 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2013 8:23:45 PM | message detail
Yeah that match isn't hard at all.
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#213 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/9/2013 8:25:01 PM | message detail
If Otacon beats Magus, Pikachu beats Crono without Magus...
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#214 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/9/2013 8:25:27 PM | message detail
I've got Neku because DAT TOP OPTION and he's "already paid his dues" in a contest people actually cared about. Just as Vyse finally got a win by facing Laharl as DAT TOP OPTION and Laharl finally got one by facing Neku as DAT TOP OPTION, so too will Neku finally get his first win. And since this technically is Catherine's second appearance, she'll be due to continue the chain next time.
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#215 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 8:26:52 PM | message detail
Dilated Chemist posted...
Otacon beats Magus, and all is right in the world.


That would ruin my Pikachu>...

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#216 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:29:28 PM | message detail
I'm taking Crono to advance to the Division finals regardless.
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#217 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/9/2013 8:30:29 PM | message detail
I'd take Pikachu > Crono even without Magus there.
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#218 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/9/2013 8:32:00 PM | message detail | (edited)
Snake going ALL the goddamn way.

Although there's a lot stopping him...harder to beat Cloud if Crono's not there, for example. Thanks to SSBB, Snake is more likely to lose votes there, if anything
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#219 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:32:15 PM | message detail
Luigi/Big Boss/Ness or Locke

That is gonna be good.
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#220 | TsunamiXXVIII | Posted 6/9/2013 8:35:22 PM | message detail
General_Zimbad posted...
_SecretSquirrel posted...
So, Neku/Vaas/Catherine? I can't be insane for favoring Catherine, even with the seeding.


Atm I have neku, but that is mostly because I have no idea who catherine is. I should probably look into this <_<

I was assuming she was just some band wagon fodder?


She's from a game that isn't technically part of the SMT series, but is somewhat related. So if you wouldn't take a Persona character in her spot, you probably shouldn't take her, since Persona is probably the strongest SMT-related entity in the US.
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#221 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/9/2013 8:37:28 PM | message detail
I feel Ness kinda ruins Luigi/Big Boss

He could do the same that Bowser did in 2003 (or Mario in 2005) which would minimize LFF damage (you'd have to believe that Luigi would win in a comfortable close match 1v1 though)
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#222 | swirIdude (Topic Creator) | Posted 6/9/2013 8:38:13 PM | message detail
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#223 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:39:24 PM | message detail
Ground Zeroes and MGSV though.
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#224 | pjbasis | Posted 6/9/2013 8:40:36 PM | message detail
Catherine is not related to Persona at all dawg

Might have the same artstyle, but it got a lot of coverage among the press and lot of exposure because of it.

Speaking of Persona, really surprised Aigis isn't in.
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#225 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/9/2013 8:40:41 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
I picked Snake to win, because why in the hell not.


That's not a bad pick if Snake can beat Cloud and get to the finals. It's definitely better than expecting Cloud to take advantage of Link/Mario LFF to win the contest.
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#226 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/9/2013 8:45:19 PM | message detail
XIII_rocks posted...
Snake going ALL the goddamn way.

Although there's a lot stopping him...harder to beat Cloud if Crono's not there, for example. Thanks to SSBB, Snake is more likely to lose votes there, if anything


Harder? You mean easier. What you want is Cloud/Snake/Sora, which incidentally has an enormous chance of happening if Pikachu beats Crono. No matter who wins the last third of the division, it'll hurt Pikachu a lot - Fox siphons Smash support like nothing else, and Blue...is from his own freakin' game. Crono is old square, and thus relatively independent from Cloud...but Sora? Sora is what MADE Cloud. There's no one better to siphon his support, and I'm taking Snake to the finals and a fairly decent second or third place.
#227 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2013 8:47:19 PM | message detail
I have Snake/Cloud/Pikachu. Snake got like 48% on Cloud three years ago, which is a long time for the downward trend of FF7 to grow.
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#228 | swordz9 | Posted 6/9/2013 8:50:09 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Catherine is not related to Persona at all dawg

Might have the same artstyle, but it got a lot of coverage among the press and lot of exposure because of it.

Speaking of Persona, really surprised Aigis isn't in.

There was no room for more Persona when they had to grab more Touhou, Pokemon and other weird looking junk I've never even seen before.
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#229 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/9/2013 8:50:27 PM | message detail
UltimaterializerX posted...
I have Snake/Cloud/Pikachu. Snake got like 48% on Cloud three years ago, which is a long time for the downward trend of FF7 to grow.


No faith in Pikachu from me. He's gonna have to survive being leeched by a midcarder (because for Blue to win he has to be one - Fox is, and Wolf has zero strength to leech Fox with) against Sora, who might or might not have dipped, but has received a couple new releases since last contest. The gap between them is not big enough that it can't be overcome.
#230 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 8:51:17 PM | message detail
Who is "Hero" and is he popular?
#231 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:51:50 PM | message detail | (edited)
KH3 is gonna be shown at E3.

Sora has a great shot to make it out of his division.
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#232 | swordz9 | Posted 6/9/2013 8:52:28 PM | message detail
General_Zimbad posted...
Who is "Hero" and is he popular?

Main from Dragon Quest V and no he's not. He's easily losing to Rinoa even with Aerith there to make her look bad.
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#233 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/9/2013 8:53:34 PM | message detail
Hero is going to be turbo fodder and will easily lose to Rinoa even with the 2 Final Fantasy characters leeching each other.
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#234 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/9/2013 8:54:41 PM | message detail
Dilated Chemist posted...
KH3 is gonna be shown at E3.

Sora has a great shot to make it out of his division.


...****, I totally forgot about that, and I was the guy cautioning people to take Marth if the Smash trailer was good. Yeah, Sora is rolling that...and...and...

...Oh holy crap. Guys, what if KH3 has Squall and Cloud in the trailer? Think we could see a boost for them, or at least something to keep them at their previous levels?
#235 | GoldSlime35 | Posted 6/9/2013 8:55:30 PM | message detail
Sonic/VIncent/Bowser is very difficult. I understand Vincent probably being the favorite but it just seems weird. That match will likely have all three break 30% with the winner getting only 35%.
#236 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/9/2013 8:55:58 PM | message detail
I'm kinda befuddled at the Otacon support. The Boss, a character who would crush Otacon, is maybe a 50/50 against Magus. Otacon just isn't the sort of character who can do well in these things. Characters need to actually do stuff and not be whiny little nerds who pee their pants.
#237 | VeryInsane | Posted 6/9/2013 8:56:03 PM | message detail
Pit/Wrex/Cecil is interesting and the winner definitely affects the next match.

If Wrex or Cecil wins, then they have a good shot at winning the ninepack with Wario and Red weighing them down.

Pit could win though (I feel he has hidden strength because he's been in SFF matches during 4ways a few years back and now has his own game. Also Nintendo etc.) and then I think Red wins.
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#238 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 6/9/2013 8:58:37 PM | message detail
Otacon is Snake's wingman and therefore he is awesome.
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#239 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 9:03:04 PM | message detail
For some reason I'm feeling Pit. Don't know why, just can't imagine cecil doing well.
#240 | -Tofa7- | Posted 6/9/2013 9:05:02 PM | message detail
I think having Pikachu messing with the Snake/Cloud match gives Cloud the win to be honest. I don't think Snake can beat Cloud without Brawl support.

If Crono or Sora gets through though, bet it all on Snake.

Tough part of the bracket, and those early Division 6 matches are really important.
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#241 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/9/2013 9:05:32 PM | message detail
From: GloriousSweater | #236
I'm kinda befuddled at the Otacon support. The Boss, a character who would crush Otacon, is maybe a 50/50 against Magus. Otacon just isn't the sort of character who can do well in these things. Characters need to actually do stuff and not be whiny little nerds who pee their pants.


62% of this site directly relates to Otacon.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4994
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#242 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/9/2013 9:06:17 PM | message detail
VeryInsane posted...
Pit/Wrex/Cecil is interesting and the winner definitely affects the next match.

If Wrex or Cecil wins, then they have a good shot at winning the ninepack with Wario and Red weighing them down.

Pit could win though (I feel he has hidden strength because he's been in SFF matches during 4ways a few years back and now has his own game. Also Nintendo etc.) and then I think Red wins.


Counterpoint: Cecil is at the level of Knuckles and I bet if this was Pit/Knuckles/Wrex you'd pick Knux to sleepwalk to the win.

But if it helps any...here's a quickie analysis. Last time we saw Cecil, we also saw ME2 Shepard. Said Shepard scores about 55% on slightly-worse-than-Knuckles Cecil. We know that is Wrex's absolute ceiling, but that likely he won't be at that level - he's closer to Pit's level last time we saw him than that. So this is likely to be a two horse race - Pit on one side, Cecil on the other. Now, go and do this for fun: find Cecil's last Xstat value before Dissidia ('08 I think) and plug that with Pit's value. Surprisingly, they are pretty close, like one or two points away at most. We know that Cecil boosted from a handheld game that introduced him to a new crowd of gamers, and how much he boosted by. It's feasible to assume Pit could boost the same amount. Unfortunately, that's not enough to secure the win. 'Base Cecil' is stronger than 'Base Pit', so Pit would have to score a larger boost from Uprising AND be underrated in the '08 stats to win. It's possible, yes, but unlikely. You also have to assume that lacking a game made Pit weaker than he'd otherwise be, and that the fans he gained from Brawl are not the sum total of his popularity now. In summary:

-IF Pit boosts as much as Cecil did from gaining new fans, he has a shot at winning.
-IF Pit is underrated by the xstats, his chances go up.
-IF Cecil has not boosted any further from Dissidia Duodecim and his eleventybillion ports, the above holds true.
-IF all of the above combines, Pit gets the win.

That's way too many ifs to take him. Of course, I didn't mention one thing, though:

-IF Pit features in the new Smash trailer, forget it, pick him to win 'cause he will.

I think that covers it.
#243 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 6/9/2013 9:06:29 PM | message detail
Otacon actually made it with a woman, tho
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#244 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 9:13:08 PM | message detail
But what if they use a weird picture for cecil. Not aware on what he looks like exactly, but some of those FF concept art that are used seem to drag down the early FF characters.
#245 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/9/2013 9:26:19 PM | message detail
General_Zimbad posted...
But what if they use a weird picture for cecil. Not aware on what he looks like exactly, but some of those FF concept art that are used seem to drag down the early FF characters.


You think the picsmiths of Board 8 are going to submit anything but this?

http://i2.listal.com/image/397147/600full-dissidia%3A-final-fantasy-photo.jpg
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia/chara2/ff4b/chara_ex.png
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/Substantialish/Cecil1ds.jpg

That match is gonna have more bishonen in it than a JPop concert.
#246 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 9:43:43 PM | message detail
What do you guys think about '? block'?

Think it has potential?
#247 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 6/9/2013 9:48:56 PM | message detail
Potential? Yeah. Guaranteed power? Nnnnnnnnnnnnnno...I don't see why he would. I mean, Link lost in a bonus poll. They're not really very indicative of anything.
#248 | FFDragon | Posted 6/9/2013 9:49:26 PM | message detail
Am I the only one thinking Jilly V wins her match despite being the low seed?
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#249 | General_Zimbad | Posted 6/9/2013 9:53:17 PM | message detail
FFDragon posted...
Am I the only one thinking Jilly V wins her match despite being the low seed?


I picked her. I think red bird will flop and don't even know who the other guy is.
#250 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 6/9/2013 9:53:50 PM | message detail
No Chris, 'Sigh'. Yeah, picking Snake to win this bracket.