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Where the hell is Vincent Valentine?!

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SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

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SuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad

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Crono/Kerrigan/Vincent

Sonic/Fei/Vincent

Mega Man/Geno/Vincent

One of these three.
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

Where in the world is Vincent Valentine?
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28 Seed.
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The official ruler of the Langrisser board. Just a heads up, don't ever bet your account on soccer matches, "sob sob".

Zack>Vincent
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People may be lukewarm about FF13, but the one thing that usually sticks out is that many people actually like Lightning as a character. I think she'll get by Donkey Kong with ease and has a chance to exploit potential LFF between Zelda and Charizard, two pretty damn powerful characters.

There's no way Lightning could get past Zelda and Charizard even with LFF. She's not near thoso two.
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Vincent was removed from the bracket like Link, Cloud and Seph were back in the day. It is only fair.
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There's no way to tell where Lightning is since the only time we saw her was before FFXIII was even out >_>
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I so hope Vincent is there right in Crono's first match, boom.
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swordz9 posted...

There's no way to tell where Lightning is since the only time we saw her was before FFXIII was even out >_>

Certainly not stronger than Charizard on his own. The LFF is a factor, but I still don't see it being enough.
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SuperNiceDog: Guru winner

I don't trust Lightning for a minute. FF13 had incredible hype that quickly vanished. It was once one of THE reasons to get a PS3 before it stole E3 with a multi-platform announcement. Since its release, however, XIII has not been the same:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4211
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4958
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4966

Lightning's found herself with quite a dip in popularity pre-XIII and post-XIII as well, though that depends on your thoughts of the Rivalry Rumble. Barthandelus brings her performance in the Rivalry Rumble's vote-in into heavy question, but they also got last place in the weakest vote-in:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3738
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4480

Square's not done well the past decade either. There's a fair chance Lightning could be their strongest new character since Sora in 2003...but that still doesn't mean that's enough to beat Donkey Kong.

Between that and DKCR, I'm taking the big ape.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4480

Lulz. Not saying it's the best proof but Lightning being in last place is so.......
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I don't care how bad the opposition is. If it's a debatable match and one of the choices is DK, I am not taking him.
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Might be too late for DK to really take advantage of Returns.
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Leonhart posting from his phone

From: LeonhartFone | #015

Might be too late for DK to really take advantage of Returns.

3DS port came out last month!
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"The people who play Final Fantasy 7 actually have lives and dont NEED polls" ~MajinUltima
SuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad

Not expecting much from a port.
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Leonhart posting from his phone

Just realized it's Donkey Kong Country Returns vs Lightning Returns. Siding with DK of course.

I expect that Lightning will eviscerate Donkey Kong... for those using the Rivalry polls, it's Barthandelus.

Barthandelus.
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Fine! I'll go to the store and get your Goddamn drain cleaner!

you guys are underestimating Lightning a lot.
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Denzokuken posted...

I expect that Lightning will eviscerate Donkey Kong... for those using the Rivalry polls, it's Barthandelus.

Barthandelus.

Dont' think those polls are that accurate, but you know who won that freaking poll.......it's Vamp

VAMP!!!!!!!!
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Throw Vincent with Pikachu.
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~The Dilated One~

As opposed to impressive villains like Queen Slug-for-a-Butt? We've only seen one of those villains before in a contest...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1996

...but Lightning/Barthandelus (what a name) still lost hard to CJ/Tenpenny.


It's a different format and new x-factors were involved, but it lines up well with the interest people have in FF13 in comparison with before/after it was released. Barthandelus better have hurt Lightning like Waluigi hurt Luigi.....
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Vincent/Ryu/X

Zelda/Vincent/Charizard

Vincent/Sub-Zero/Bowser
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~The Dilated One~

she may not be a powerhouse but Lightning is still the main character of multiple FF titles, I am not taking DK over her.She is also well liked among FF13 fans.
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Demon Fang ...Demon Fang .. Damn I must be a genius, DOUBLE Demon Fang!

Or hell throw in Vincent in Division 2 somewhere in the middle.

Sonic/Vincent/Bowser
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~The Dilated One~

From: Dilated Chemist | #026

Or hell throw in Vincent in Division 2 somewhere in the middle.

Sonic/Vincent/Bowser

Vincent, the other two have Nintendo LFF
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SuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad

I consider Lightning to be popular independent of her games. She's still pretty high-profile and fairly popular among FF fans, even if many don't like the FF13 games. I certainly wouldn't pick FF13 to impress in a contest, but I do think Lightning will be popular enough despite that to beat f***ing Donkey Kong of all characters.
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Using the Rivalry Rumble to prove individual character strength is no less erroneous than using game strength to prove character strength.

Don't do it, guys.
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There's some weird debates going on right now. There's no way Ryu takes a match over X, or are we forgetting how strong he's looked in every match he's been in.

Ditto for Lightening/DK. Light has show nothing but foddery weakness.
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There's no way Ryu takes a match over X, or are we forgetting how strong he's looked in every match he's been in.

Yeah, 65% on John Price is so impressive.

All of MMX's 2008 matches were loaded with LFF so they're not much use.
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LeonhartFour posted...

There's no way Ryu takes a match over X, or are we forgetting how strong he's looked in every match he's been in.

Yeah, 65% on John Price is so impressive.

All of MMX's 2008 matches were loaded with LFF so they're not much use.

35% on Cloud vs. 32% on Link in an SFF situation. Hmmm, tough choice.
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Not including the fact that X beat Pokemon Trainer Red worse than Red/Blue beat Ryu/Ken
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And the icing on the cake:

Mega Man X (2010c) VS Ryu (2010c)

Mega Man X has a strength of 35.52.
Ryu has a strength of 33.02.

Mega Man X wins with 53.52% of the vote!
A win of 4,750 with 67,482 total votes cast.

Even with Link SFF, X is still projected to win comfortably. They're both far enough into 2010 that their stats are somewhat reliable.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Using the Rivalry Rumble to prove individual character strength is no less erroneous than using game strength to prove character strength.

Don't do it, guys.

I feel like it might be a little relevant in determining Gilgamesh's strength, at least.

Also Hitler's.
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Assuming the match with Link had significant SFF, sure.

And again, please stop using Rivalry Rumble. It's nice of you to use "Red/Blue whipped Ryu/Ken" and conveniently neglect "Red barely beat Ocelot." Is 60% on Ocelot that impressive to you?

I remember when Bowser got 66% on Ocelot.
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

Also, if you want to put MMX on MM Classic's level, I'm going to love seeing you argue John Price could beat Cid Highwind.
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

Ocelot is a beast.

*hand gestures*
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~The Dilated One~

I think MMX/Ryu would be a close match. His performances against Price and Red were not "Mega Man" level. His performance on Link did help him, but both Thrall and Alucard also looked good so maybe anti-votes helped him.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Assuming the match with Link had significant SFF, sure.

And again, please stop using Rivalry Rumble. It's nice of you to use "Red/Blue whipped Ryu/Ken" and conveniently neglect "Red barely beat Ocelot." Is 60% on Ocelot that impressive to you?

I remember when Bowser got 66% on Ocelot.

The best comparison we have between them is Link > X, Cloud > Ryu and Link > Cloud. That's a pretty reliable comparison. We've seen Link SFF Mega Man characters in the past. Even without SFF, X is still projected to win. I don't see this ending anything other than an ulti style blowout for X
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"We've seen it happen in the past" doesn't mean it automatically happens.

And we have to remember we're using 3 year old stats. Random variation can turn 53/47 the other direction in 3 years. Plus, it's possible Mega Man in general is weaker now than 3 years ago because well, Mega Man never gets anything anymore.
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

WOOO bracket is up, Yuri vs Ryu though...(nuts). Wish Yuri got something easier =)
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LeonhartFour posted...

"We've seen it happen in the past" doesn't mean it automatically happens.

And we have to remember we're using 3 year old stats. Random variation can turn 53/47 the other direction in 3 years. Plus, it's possible Mega Man in general is weaker now than 3 years ago because well, Mega Man never gets anything anymore.

And when's the last time Ryu got anything?
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More recently than Mega Man X. He's had stuff since 2010, at the very least.

(also there's no such thing as an easy match for Yuri)
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"I couldn't stand a day without a past or future. I need to live each moment to keep fighting here and now."

Didn't Mega Man and Street Fighter have a crossover game?
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~The Dilated One~

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #043

And when's the last time Ryu got anything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_X_Tekken

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_X_Zone
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SuperNiceDog: Bracket: Good, Taste: Bad

Didn't Mega Man and Street Fighter have a crossover game?

A fanmade game Capcom conveniently hijacked to try to pay lip service to Mega Man fans.
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LeonhartFour posted...

(also there's no such thing as an easy match for Yuri)

Yeah you're right. O well. Kratos has a better chance of advancing, versus Travis Touchdown.
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2011 Rivalry Rumble Guru Champion
Be sure to nominate Yuri Lowell from Tales of Vesperia for the 2013 Character Contest!

Ryu also has Ultimate Marvel 3

any recent fighting game has an instant fanbase

(but not on this site)
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~Zen

SuperNiceDog posted...

Kratos has a better chance of advancing, versus Travis Touchdown.

If you mean the Tales Kratos, I'm afraid you're looking at the wrong match. He has a slightly tougher opponent in Zero.
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