Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1052

#151 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 6/5/2013 4:09:59 PM | message detail
I think it was clearly done this way to set up a final Noble Nine. That's why the logo is the Noble Nine. I bet each NNer is given their own section of the bracket to avoid the possibility of them running into each other too early. The question is which top 3 seeds get their own "thirds"? Does he go Clinkeroth? Or does he split Link/Cloud/Mario? Or some other way?
#152 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:10:43 PM | message detail
3-way all the way.

I'm fine with that format for a contest.

Four-ways into 1v1 for next contest...
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#153 | Ngamer64 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:11:32 PM | message detail
Teasing out the characters Dojo style is fun, the Noble Nine getting their own banner is awesome, but UGH @ 3 ways, what an awful format.

Ah well! *starts hammering F5 for a week straight*
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#154 | LOLContests | Posted 6/5/2013 4:11:37 PM | message detail
Revealing things bit by bit could be cool if we get whole divisions at once. Hopefully it's that instead of "Here are the 12 bottom seeds!"

I'm kind of lukewarm on this format though, tbqh. Let's be real here. We might get a handful of matches where all 3 characters are in it, but 90% of the time the 3rd place character is going to be irrelevant.
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#155 | Big Bob | Posted 6/5/2013 4:12:25 PM | message detail
If one of the final matches was Link/Mario/Snake, would there be enough Nintendo SFF for Snake to slip through?
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#156 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:12:48 PM | message detail
On the other hand at least a good fight for 1st place will mean something as opposed to two character fighting just to advance anyway.
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#157 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:19:03 PM | message detail
Noble 9 are the 1 seeds
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#158 | tgs2 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:19:31 PM | message detail
Looks like the 1 seeds are indeed the entire NN.
#159 | The Mana Sword | Posted 6/5/2013 4:20:34 PM | message detail
Link/???/Mario finals zzzz
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#160 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:21:31 PM | message detail
wow that's gotta be rigged
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#161 | swirIdude | Posted 6/5/2013 4:21:36 PM | message detail
Link/Sonic/Seph, Snake/Cloud/Crono, Samus/Mario/Mega Man would be the Final Nine matches.

Disappointing.
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#162 | The Mana Sword | Posted 6/5/2013 4:22:58 PM | message detail
looking at it, unless Crono gets knocked out early, Link/Snake/Mario finals is p. much a lock
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#163 | transience | Posted 6/5/2013 4:23:17 PM | message detail
sucks that Link's there

oh well, what can you do?
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#164 | LOLContests | Posted 6/5/2013 4:23:42 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
On the other hand at least a good fight for 1st place will mean something as opposed to two character fighting just to advance anyway.


This is the one bad part of 4 way that this format improves. It does nothing to eliminate LFF however, and might even make it worse, plus it takes away the one concrete advantage of 4 ways (every match has something debateble to discuss.)
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#165 | tgs2 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:24:41 PM | message detail
I can see Sonic and Crono getting outed early since Sonic has kind of sucked in multiways
#166 | ffmasterjose | Posted 6/5/2013 4:24:55 PM | message detail
Ewww why did he use an Advent Children quote for Sephiroth's quote? Gross.
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#167 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/5/2013 4:25:53 PM | message detail
It's very very possible we get a Link/Mario/Snake final, then. Snake has to get past Cloud, though. Depends who's in the match with them - not sure it'll actually be Crono, though that probably favours Snake?

The potential Link/Mario/Cloud is very interesting, but ugh, I hope not... my body is ready for a good character to win this thing for the first time in literal history!
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#168 | junk_funk | Posted 6/5/2013 4:25:53 PM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
Link/Sonic/Seph, Snake/Cloud/Crono, Samus/Mario/Mega Man would be the Final Nine matches.

Disappointing.


Link/Snake/Mario!
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#169 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/5/2013 4:26:30 PM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
Ewww why did he use an Advent Children quote for Sephiroth's quote? Gross.


In fairness that is the best Sephiroth quote
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#170 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:27:10 PM | message detail
Oh man it's filling out the bracket, bad ass.

Snake could actually win this thing
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#171 | Dr_Football | Posted 6/5/2013 4:28:58 PM | message detail
by the way the seeding works like this for each "region"

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#172 | -LusterSoldier- (Topic Creator) | Posted 6/5/2013 4:29:37 PM | message detail
Crono with a 1 seed? Interesting. Normally we don't see the entire Noble Nine getting a 1 seed, but it will happen this time thanks to the 3-way format.
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#173 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:30:18 PM | message detail
I don't want to be the one to bet on Link when he finally loses but...man, after thinking that Cloud/Seph had it so badly last time I'm very hesitant to bet against Link again.
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#174 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/5/2013 4:31:08 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
I don't want to be the one to bet on Link when he finally loses but...man, after thinking that Cloud/Seph had it so badly last time I'm very hesitant to bet against Link again.


Don't bet on either, then.

Bet on SOLID SNAKE
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#175 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:32:34 PM | message detail
We'll have to see who the third entrant in their match is. If it's Crono or someone FF related, Snake has it.

Otherwise...
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#176 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 6/5/2013 4:32:53 PM | message detail
#2 and #3 seeds tomorrow.... with 27 seeds, this will take 2 weeks to unveil the bracket at that pace. And then another few weeks to do your picks... we might not start the contest until after July 4th.
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#177 | Then00bAvenger | Posted 6/5/2013 4:33:43 PM | message detail
Missed out on an opportunity for Mario/Snake/Cloud

That would have been bangin'
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#178 | BeTheMan | Posted 6/5/2013 4:34:26 PM | message detail
I'm digging the delayed roll-out approach. I don't know if it's part of his thought process, but doing it this way leaves open the possibility of rebalancing the bracket based on our feedback before rolling out a final version of it.
#179 | Dr_Football | Posted 6/5/2013 4:34:58 PM | message detail
In fact, if Allen seeded it so that the final 9 is set up that way (if seeds hold) we can roughly guess how the 1 seeds were seeded amongst themselves

Link is obviously the overall 1, Sonic and Sephiroth is the 6 and 9
Snake or Cloud is the 2, with the other being the 5, Crono is the 8
Mario and Samus are the 3 and 4, with Mega Man likely being the 7
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#180 | charmander6000 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:35:14 PM | message detail
July was my expectation for the start of the contest.
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#181 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/5/2013 4:36:10 PM | message detail
The final is like some warped Portal 2 analogy.

Wheatley was attached to Glados to make her an idiot, bringing her down. Producing an endless stream of terrible ideas.

Likewise, Mario will be attached to Link to weaken him and bring him down. Allowing Chell, the third character, to CLAIM VICTORY!

(Here's hoping Chell is Snake)

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#182 | Djungelurban | Posted 6/5/2013 4:38:11 PM | message detail
Yeah, assuming Snake makes it through and Mario doesn't stumble upon a strong 2nd tier character and an amazing SFF leach at the same time in the round before the final 9, that Link/Snake/Mario final looks likely and with Link being weaker than ever while Mario and Snake being about the same, Mario leeching Link could be enough to get Snake through to clinch it... But we'll see...
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#183 | XIII_rocks | Posted 6/5/2013 4:39:00 PM | message detail | (edited)
Link being weaker than ever

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Is Link weaker than ever? Did I miss something big there?
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#184 | transcience | Posted 6/5/2013 4:41:17 PM | message detail
wow, this is going to be really predictable at the end unless a joke or a Pokemon screw things up. the only way for it to be unpredictable in the top 9 is if Crono loses to a Nintendo character and we get a Cloud/Snake/Bowser match. Sephiroth's path is obvious and Link/Mario is a finals of course.
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#185 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 6/5/2013 4:45:47 PM | message detail | (edited)
Unless Cronos path is a creampuff, I'd be kinda surprised he even makes it to the final 9. Whoever makes it from Cronos division can make that match with Cloud and Snake very interesting IMO. Well, unless its Crono himself.
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#186 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:44:36 PM | message detail
Link/Mario being in the finals is actually the best thing that could happen for unpredictability.

It's the only way Link could lose.
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#187 | transience | Posted 6/5/2013 4:46:00 PM | message detail
we've seen that before and Link still dominated. the only thing that beats Link are anti-Link votes.
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#188 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 6/5/2013 4:46:16 PM | message detail
Interesting. This seems like an entire setup to make sure that Link doesn't win.

But I'm not so sure that Mario comes through against Samus and Mega Man. It depends how much Samus drags Mario down. I'd assume nowadays that Mario beats Samus about 56/44. That might be enough for Mega Man to sneak through. I certainly wouldn't call Mario a lock there.
#189 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:46:19 PM | message detail
When have we seen that before?
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#190 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 6/5/2013 4:46:42 PM | message detail
3 ways def is better than 4 ways I say.
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#191 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/5/2013 4:48:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, Mario was the only guy who could have plausibly dragged Link down to a loss, and either Cloud or Snake, the two best options to take advantage of this SFF, will almost certainly be in the finals. Link/Mario/Cloud is a lot more interesting than Link vs. Cloud.
#192 | LOLContests | Posted 6/5/2013 4:48:46 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who's not as high on Snake? 2010 was just over a year past 2008, his best year on record release wise. Snake's had barely anything since then to help him, and I see no reason for him to still be at that level three and a half years later.
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#193 | Haste_2 | Posted 6/5/2013 4:50:40 PM | message detail
4-ways is much better than 3-ways, in my opinion. Predicting 2nd place was more fun than predicting 1st in 2007/2008. Now we have to deal with two losers, yet nobody gets to predict the order.
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#194 | transience | Posted 6/5/2013 4:51:12 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3304

Link got held down two ways and Crono still couldn't hang. Cloud's obviously more popular than Crono but not to the point of winning this match.
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#195 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/5/2013 4:52:51 PM | message detail
He'll have big Stand-Out Factor against two protagonist Square swordsmen. Even if he has declined at a rate faster than Cloud's, the format and Crono could still propel him to victory. Of course, there's always the chance that Crono gets upset and that Snake will have to do it with no help.
#196 | TheOneAboveAll | Posted 6/5/2013 4:53:11 PM | message detail
GloriousSweater posted...
Yeah, Mario was the only guy who could have plausibly dragged Link down to a loss, and either Cloud or Snake, the two best options to take advantage of this SFF, will almost certainly be in the finals. Link/Mario/Cloud is a lot more interesting than Link vs. Cloud.


A lot less interesting, you mean. Link has no chance in that match. I mean, it's hard to make a Link match interesting. But giving him a definite loss isn't the way to do it. The most debate will come out of who gets into the final alongside Mario and Link.
#197 | transience | Posted 6/5/2013 4:53:50 PM | message detail
er, Snake. hard to see Cloud beating Snake unless we get that Nintendo character, and even then I'm not sure. the most likely guys to beat Crono would be like Auron/Squall/Vincent/etc, but even then we're looking at a third guy winning due to the overlap.

I could see a dude like Dante or Zero getting there if the match is Crono/Auron/Zero or something like that. though maybe there's not that much overlap there. who knows.

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#198 | Djungelurban | Posted 6/5/2013 4:54:45 PM | message detail
From: XIII_rocks | #183
Is Link weaker than ever? Did I miss something big there?

His best regarded games are all more than a decade old at this point and none of his recent titles has come close to the acclaim of those old games. Games like Skyward Sword, Phantom Hourglass, Twilight Princess don't hold a candle to A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening and Ocarina of Time. Also the newer generations of gamers coming in are less likely to hold the Zelda series in as high regard as us old-timers do so that's gonna hurt it too, even though the userbase of GameFAQs is slowly skewing towards older. I'm not saying Link is weak, even a weaker than ever Link is strong enough to beat any character these days without breaking too much of a sweat in a 1-vs-1, but he has almost certainly fallen off a bit since last time.
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#199 | GloriousSweater | Posted 6/5/2013 4:56:44 PM | message detail
I'm surprised anyone has the gall to consider any realistic contest match a "guaranteed loss" for Link.
#200 | pjbasis | Posted 6/5/2013 4:59:13 PM | message detail
Yeah I'm trying to hype up a Link loss, but I really just as expect Link to destroy Mario & Snake/Cloud just as easily as he would 1v1.
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