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#251 | Xuxon | Posted 5/17/2013 8:53:48 PM | message detail
From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 5/17/2013 11:25:40 PM | #249
You're assuming it's not 'top two advance'. Hence 192 (not 196, whoops).

top 2 advance is mathematically impossible. you could have x rounds of it with 6^x characters but then you're left with 2^2x characters which would have to be 1v1.

not to mention the bracketing for such a thing would be a nightmare.
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#252 | KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/17/2013 9:31:58 PM | message detail
Xuxon posted...
From: KanzarisKelshen | Posted: 5/17/2013 11:25:40 PM | #249
You're assuming it's not 'top two advance'. Hence 192 (not 196, whoops).

top 2 advance is mathematically impossible. you could have x rounds of it with 6^x characters but then you're left with 2^2x characters which would have to be 1v1.

not to mention the bracketing for such a thing would be a nightmare.


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#253 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/18/2013 2:45:39 AM | message detail
It's threeways but every 12 hours the character with the lowest vote total is booted and the next one takes his place.

It's like a Triple Threat match gauntlet style
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#254 | Djungelurban | Posted 5/18/2013 4:55:07 AM | message detail
From: Ngamer64 | #250
3 ways would be awful, double elimination would take all year...

The example I put forth would only require 121 matches, a normal 128 field 1-vs-1 would be 127 matches... So a 3 ways, double elimination is actually quicker...
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#255 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/18/2013 5:40:55 AM | message detail
Ngamer64 posted...
3 ways would be awful, double elimination would take all year... guess we should be rooting for something totally out of left field at this point.


I have no idea how 3-ways will fare when it comes to vote totals. The only time we saw a 3-way match and then a 2-way match was during GotY 2008:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3363
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3364
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3365

The 3-way poll easily got more votes than the 9-way poll - about 18000 more votes than the 9-way poll. However, the 2-way poll got about 7000 votes less than the 3-way poll.
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#256 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 5/18/2013 5:50:12 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2565
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2566

Those aren't really typical contest polls, though.
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#257 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/18/2013 6:12:32 AM | message detail
Oh, right. I totally forgot about those 2 matches. With those 2 matches, the 2-way poll got about 1000 more votes than the 3-way poll. Though bear in mind they both had over 150000 votes. Because of the extremely high vote totals on those 2 matches, a 1000 vote difference is almost nothing. 50000 and 51000 would be a larger difference because it's much lower than 150000.

Unlike the Battle Royale matches in 2006, the 2 "final vote" polls for GotY 2008 had the 3-way getting more votes than the 2-way. From what I'm expecting, having 3-way matches in a contest shouldn't affect vote totals at all.
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#258 | superange128 | Posted 5/18/2013 10:43:57 AM | message detail
#259 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 5/18/2013 10:59:51 AM | message detail
I really hope we don't get 3-ways. That would be awful.

I'd have liked a good old-fashioned 1v1 contest without any gimmick, but it seems like that's not gonna happen.
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#260 | ffmasterjose | Posted 5/18/2013 11:40:53 AM | message detail
how can you guys tell how many noms there are anyway
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#261 | superange128 | Posted 5/18/2013 11:45:31 AM | message detail | (edited)
ffmasterjose posted...
how can you guys tell how many noms there are anyway


Step 1
Delete a random nomination from your list

Step 2
Re-add it

Step 3
Right click and "View Page Source"

Step 4
Ctrl F the character's name you just re-added and look at the "value="(insert number here">" immediately to the left of the character's name
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#262 | ffmasterjose | Posted 5/18/2013 11:53:39 AM | message detail
Oh, fancy.
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#263 | charmander6000 | Posted 5/18/2013 11:58:30 AM | message detail
How about instead of a single gauntlet we have 8 going independently until the quarterfinals where they then face each other. That prevents a low seeded strong character from ruining the contest (by only a single gauntlet being ruined). A 200 character field at 12 hours with 24 hour quarterfinals would make the contest last 103 days.
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#264 | superange128 | Posted 5/18/2013 11:59:49 AM | message detail | (edited)
What's wrong with a contest going for a long time?
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#265 | LeonhartFone | Posted 5/18/2013 1:43:45 PM | message detail
superange128 posted...
What's wrong with a contest going for a long time?


Nothing other than potential for burnout, I guess. Main thing is that Bacon won't do it. He's already said in the past he wouldn't consider 24 hour matches with 128 characters because of how long it would take.
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#266 | Samurai7 | Posted 5/18/2013 3:10:37 PM | message detail
I hope every round has a different format/gimmick rofl
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#267 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/18/2013 3:29:06 PM | message detail
I decided to post a new poll topic asking how long this board would be willing to sit through a GameFAQs contest. Here's the topic:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66226099
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#268 | Glenn_and_Toad | Posted 5/18/2013 8:03:27 PM | message detail
If the bracket is seeded well, a 1v1 gauntlet will be fine. Multivote would make any 3+way format instantly non-terrible, but I doubt it will happen.
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#269 | LOLContests | Posted 5/19/2013 10:13:51 AM | message detail
I've always thought that a solution to having 128 entrants but still having traditional matches would be to run the contest in halves. One half runs from June-July, then you take a 1-2 month break and run the second half of the bracket. So it feels more like two normal contests rather than one long one.
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#270 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/19/2013 11:01:30 AM | message detail
From: Glenn_and_Toad | #268
If the bracket is seeded well, a 1v1 gauntlet will be fine. Multivote would make any 3+way format instantly non-terrible, but I doubt it will happen.


Multi-voting would make any contest terrible.
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#271 | Djungelurban | Posted 5/19/2013 11:21:30 AM | message detail
Yeah, multivote is literally a contest killer...
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#272 | swirIdude | Posted 5/19/2013 11:34:07 AM | message detail
I hope Mewtwo gets in this year and doesn't get screwed like he has in the past (Bowser/Toad, Ganon).
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#273 | Lopen | Posted 5/19/2013 11:35:15 AM | message detail
Multivote could be cool assuming it means "vote for any number of the chraracters in the poll" and not "you can vote multiple times"
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#274 | ffmasterjose | Posted 5/19/2013 11:41:35 AM | message detail
I would like to see Cid Highwind in a winnable match. But hopefully Barrett gets good bracket placement
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#275 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 5/19/2013 5:34:07 PM | message detail
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Dracula vs. Morrigan Aensland
Barret Wallace vs. Raiden (MGS)
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#276 | swirIdude | Posted 5/19/2013 7:50:37 PM | message detail
Raiden > Morrigan.
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#277 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/19/2013 7:56:11 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
Multivote could be cool assuming it means "vote for any number of the chraracters in the poll" and not "you can vote multiple times"


That would only work if the contest format was 4-ways or more characters than that, such as 5-ways or 6-ways.
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#278 | LeonhartFone | Posted 5/19/2013 8:21:29 PM | message detail
swirIdude posted...
I hope Mewtwo gets in this year and doesn't get screwed like he has in the past (Bowser/Toad, Ganon).


Mewtwo made it to the 4th round in 2008 and almost got upset by Midna along the way! What more do you want?
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#279 | charmander6000 | Posted 5/19/2013 8:58:05 PM | message detail
Speaking of Pokemon, I wouldn't be surprised if Charizard missed the contest.

Without the support of board 8 and 3 years since the last contest he may struggle to get enough nominations.
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#280 | superange128 | Posted 5/19/2013 9:06:11 PM | message detail
even with 200+ entrants?

I guess there's a chance he wouldn't but I'd say he's still getting in
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#281 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/19/2013 9:06:50 PM | message detail
Looking at the nomination tally topic, Charizard has 18 nominations from Board 8 so far and that doesn't even count nominations from outside of Board 8.
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#282 | charmander6000 | Posted 5/19/2013 9:32:59 PM | message detail
He had 60 in 2010 and was a 7 seed.
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#283 | swirIdude | Posted 5/19/2013 9:44:56 PM | message detail
From: LeonhartFone | #278
swirIdude posted...
I hope Mewtwo gets in this year and doesn't get screwed like he has in the past (Bowser/Toad, Ganon).


Mewtwo made it to the 4th round in 2008 and almost got upset by Midna along the way! What more do you want?


That again, just to even it out.
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#284 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/19/2013 10:00:48 PM | message detail
Current nomination total right now - 20458

Nominations are ending near the end of this week. We are looking at Thursday or Friday as the final day of nominations, so there is enough time to reach 22000 nominations.
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#285 | superange128 | Posted 5/19/2013 11:03:13 PM | message detail
I wonder how many of those are people changing their minds a lot
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#286 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/20/2013 3:08:00 AM | message detail
With over 200 characters and only 20,000 nominations, it won't take a lot of support to make the bracket, honestly. Pretty much any character with a decent rally behind it will make it.
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#287 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/20/2013 1:18:43 PM | message detail
This is actually a good strategy for promoting the Character Battle:

http://i.imgur.com/G7VIenb.png

You see that ad for Microsoft's upcoming conference? What if that ad was replaced with a small banner for the Character Battle and you could click on the ad to go straight to the front page to vote? It would definitely help increase vote totals and site visitors will have an easier time finding the contest. The ad would be displayed on all game boards (plus their gamespace pages, such as the FAQ and cheats page).

The image used for the Microsoft ad is hosted on the GameFAQs server, rather than an ad server. That explains why Adblock isn't blocking the Microsoft ad. If there was an ad to promote the Character Battle, the image would be hosted on the GameFAQs server, allowing the ad to bypass Adblock.
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#288 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/20/2013 9:15:13 PM | message detail
The results in today's poll really surprised me because I thought "Always online" would be winning this poll based on the extreme backlash against the "Always online" rumors.
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#289 | superange128 | Posted 5/20/2013 10:20:15 PM | message detail
Online having to be paid for was one of the big reasons some people preferred the PS3

If I have my stats correct the longest it has teken to post the bracket was 2 weeks after noms close (for Game of the Decade)? I think it was one week for the last character battle (with DOJO) and not even 24 hours for the Rivalry bracket?
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#290 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/20/2013 10:23:18 PM | message detail
All 3 contests you mentioned in your post had Vote-In polls right after nominations closed. So the bracket was posted several days after nominations closed because Bacon had to do Vote-In polls first.
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#291 | superange128 | Posted 5/20/2013 10:28:45 PM | message detail
Oh right forgot about those
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#292 | pjbasis | Posted 5/20/2013 11:24:32 PM | message detail
What if he's giving characters byes or something.

Any number could work
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#293 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/20/2013 11:32:05 PM | message detail
I wonder what other people have to say about the following post I made:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/66151179/744899347
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#294 | LeonhartFour | Posted 5/21/2013 3:03:34 AM | message detail | (edited)
literally quoting yourself in the stats topic from 8 posts ago and asking people to say something when they had nothing to say the first time
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#295 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 5/21/2013 4:57:12 AM | message detail
Microsoft's probably paying GameFAQs to promote there. Bacon or whoever's in charge of ads would likely rather promote profitable ads than to post a banner promoting a contest designed to bring in traffic and increase ad revenue.
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#296 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/21/2013 8:11:57 AM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
literally quoting yourself in the stats topic from 8 posts ago and asking people to say something when they had nothing to say the first time


I didn't even post any trend charts for a non-contest poll this time around. If I had posted trend charts for a non-contest poll and no one responds to me, I can understand why I got no responses on a post with trend charts in them.

What I had posted was completely unrelated to posting trend charts on a non-contest poll.
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#297 | superange128 | Posted 5/21/2013 8:47:30 AM | message detail
well it would be nice but if he hadn't done it within the first week or two he's not gonna do it
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#298 | abdou | Posted 5/21/2013 9:51:44 AM | message detail
just a banner on the front page would have been nice. but it's obvious Bacon doesn't really care at all about the total nominations heck he thinks we already have a "huge" number -_-

with the 200+ entrants it won't really matter how much noms we get, tons of characters will make it in regardless
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#299 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 5/21/2013 10:58:04 AM | message detail
At 1:42 PM EST, the voting for the PotD came to an end and Bacon put up a new PotD instead. This may be the first time outside of the contests that we are having 2 PotDs in one day.
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#300 | superange128 | Posted 5/21/2013 11:07:50 AM | message detail
12 HOUR POTDs
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