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#151 | The_Djoker | Posted 1/12/2013 11:03:35 AM | message detail
From: swordz9 | #149
Any contest where the final isn't pretty much the same dull match is fine with me. Even if strength changes over time BGE would still have a high chance of the same boring final rematch that has ended the same way for a while.


what are you talking about? The last few game finals have been epic. OoT wasn't the favourite going into BGE 2009. But it was clearly a stronger game than fF7 since 2004. I think OoT should be excluded. FF7 should still remain because I think there are several games that could get over 40% on FF7. I can't name any game apart from FF7 that would get higher than 40% on OoT.
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#152 | pirate109 | Posted 1/12/2013 11:09:05 AM | message detail
So people are certain FF7 is still the #2 game here? What about RBY?

I'd love to see a BGE contest minus OOT, or even just GOTG would be good. Would be interested to see how strong Skyrim and Dark Souls are in a contest setting, as they are my favourites of this gen.
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#153 | swordz9 | Posted 1/12/2013 11:12:04 AM | message detail
The_Djoker posted...
what are you talking about? The last few game finals have been epic.

Weren't they FFVII vs OoT, Zelda series vs FF series and Majora's Mask vs Brawl? I don't remember if there were any others, but I wouldn't call any of those epic at all.
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#154 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/12/2013 11:20:01 AM | message detail
Trend charts for yesterday's poll:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdG5JTEZQTmxLN0hmMUUyM1dJVHAyWGc&gid=1

Xenoblade started out very strong in the board vote, while ME3 and Borderlands 2 were weak with the board vote. Even though Xenoblade lost about 3% from the end of the board vote to the end of the Power Hour, Xenoblade's power hour was its second best hour of the entire poll (it only did better during the 4:00-5:00 AM hour). ME3 recovered after its horrible board vote and gained about 3% during the remainder of the Power Hour. Borderlands 2 finished the Power Hour with a lower percentage than what it had at the end of the board vote.

For most of the night vote, Borderlands 2 continued to go up as it recovered from their board vote. At 4:00 AM, Borderlands 2 reached 39.14% and started to go down again as it sucks in Europe. Borderlands 2 fell all the way down to 38.70% at 10:25 AM before going back up again. ME3 was going up in percentage for part of the night vote until 3:00 AM. At 3:00 AM, ME3 had 27.90% and dropped all the way down to 27.55% at 4:55 AM. But after 4:55 AM, ME3 started to go back up again.

Xenoblade was losing percentage for slightly over half of the night vote (until 3:50 AM). After 3:50 AM, Xenoblade started going up again and reached its highest percentage of the night vote at 5:50 AM. After that point, Xenoblade collapsed as we headed into the morning vote. Xenoblade's morning vote was a rocky adventure, as it was going up and down in percentage quite often thanks to the strong European presence during the morning vote. Once we reach 12:00 PM, Xenoblade finally reaches the point where it has a consistent trend of losing percentage.

The ASV was dominated by Borderlands 2 and ME3, as Xenoblade collapsed during the ASV. At the start of the ASV, Xenoblade was at 32.86% and ended up having 32.36% at the end of the ASV. Early on in the ASV, it looked like Borderlands 2 was winning that easily while ME3 was losing percentage for the first hour of the ASV. But after 3:30 PM, ME3 finally shows up to the party and starts gaining percentage with the ASV. Later in the ASV at 6:55 PM, ME3 reached its highest percentage of 28.49% in this poll and then starts to go back down again. ME3 falls down to 28.32% by 9:30 PM, but it manages to get back some of that lost percentage during the remaining 2 1/2 hours in the poll.

Xenoblade lost 3 different hours to ME3 (7:00-8:00 PM, 8:00-9:00 PM, and the final hour) during this poll.

Overall ASV hierarchy in this poll: Borderlands 2 > Mass Effect 3 > Xenoblade
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#155 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/12/2013 11:51:47 AM | message detail
Weren't they FFVII vs OoT, Zelda series vs FF series and Majora's Mask vs Brawl? I don't remember if there were any others, but I wouldn't call any of those epic at all.

Better finals than the average character battle
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#156 | pjbasis | Posted 1/12/2013 11:53:17 AM | message detail
I would love to have an average character battle right now.

Who cares if Link wins, it's just one match.
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#157 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/12/2013 11:53:40 AM | message detail
Also we can't have a Game of the Generation contest until the next Playstation and Xbox have been released or near released.

Best choice would be a character battle this year then GotG contest next year (hopefully the consoles will be out by then.
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#158 | swordz9 | Posted 1/12/2013 11:57:07 AM | message detail
The finals of an average character battle are equally boring to me. I don't dislike the contests or anything, but the finals tend to be as boring as a turbo fodder character/game vs the strongest character/game to me. It's probably somewhat unavoidable for any new contest that would happen, but a new contest would still be nice as long as it's not similar to rivalry rumble in any way.
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#159 | The_Djoker | Posted 1/12/2013 12:10:12 PM | message detail | (edited)
From: swordz9 | #153
The_Djoker posted...
what are you talking about? The last few game finals have been epic.

Weren't they FFVII vs OoT, Zelda series vs FF series and Majora's Mask vs Brawl? I don't remember if there were any others, but I wouldn't call any of those epic at all.


So? MM vs FFX(the real final) was epic. You can't deny that. Game battles are always great. Character battles...yeah they're crap. FF7/OoT was epic. Cmon you've got 2 of the biggest juggernauts on the internet up against each other. It doesn't get any bigger than fFVII/OoT.
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#160 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/12/2013 12:40:14 PM | message detail
charmander6000 posted...
Also we can't have a Game of the Generation contest until the next Playstation and Xbox have been released or near released.

Best choice would be a character battle this year then GotG contest next year (hopefully the consoles will be out by then.


Fall 2013 might be the earliest possible time for a GotG contest. Depending on whether Microsoft releases their next system later this year might determine whether or not we get a GotG contest in the fall.

Also, I wonder if Wii U games should be excluded from GotG since Wii U is a next-gen system? Although if we get GotG as a Fall 2013 contest, I can't see any Wii U games getting into the contest just because the Wii U has very poor ownership right now.
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#161 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/12/2013 12:52:57 PM | message detail
I wouldn't include any WiiU, 3DS or Vita games. The biggest question would be the range for PC games.
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#162 | swordz9 | Posted 1/12/2013 12:55:50 PM | message detail
It might not get any bigger than FF7 vs OoT, but the outcome of that match is likely to never change again on this site. As much as I enjoy seeing all things FF7 lose, it still makes for a boring match.
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#163 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 1:20:24 PM | message detail
I'd rather have a real Character Battle before we have another Games Contest, personally.
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#164 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/12/2013 1:22:36 PM | message detail
I'd like a contest, personally.
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#165 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/12/2013 1:23:14 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy IV Release Of The Decade, imho
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#166 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 1:23:25 PM | message detail
From: KamikazePotato | #164
I'd like a contest, personally.


would you like Rivalry Rumble 2
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#167 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/12/2013 1:57:53 PM | message detail
Considering I don't have much hope for the stuff I like doing well in other contest settings, I'll take 4-5 rounds of Pokemon Trainer Red vs. Pokemon Trainer Blue beating up things, sure.
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#168 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/12/2013 2:09:00 PM | message detail | (edited)
charmander6000 posted...
I wouldn't include any WiiU, 3DS or Vita games. The biggest question would be the range for PC games.


My thoughts on what games should be allowed into that contest:

All DS and PSP games, even those released prior to the release of the Xbox 360. DS or PSP games that were also released on the 3DS or Vita would also be eligible.

All games released on the Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii would be eligible, even if they were also released on Wii U, 3DS, or Vita.

PC games will only be allowed if they were released on or after 11/22/2005, which is the release date of the Xbox 360.

Wii U, 3DS, or Vita games would be excluded from the contest as I see them as "next-gen" systems.
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#169 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/12/2013 2:19:39 PM | message detail
swordz9 posted...
It might not get any bigger than FF7 vs OoT, but the outcome of that match is likely to never change again on this site. As much as I enjoy seeing all things FF7 lose, it still makes for a boring match.


I sure wouldn't enjoy seeing all things FF7 lose, now that I'm a huge fan of that game.
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#170 | Boudii | Posted 1/12/2013 2:40:58 PM | message detail
It might not get any bigger than FF7 vs OoT, but the outcome of that match is likely to never change again on this site. As much as I enjoy seeing all things FF7 lose, it still makes for a boring match.

This is my problem with both CB and Games contests I wish Zelda/Link weren't so invulnerable.

still there are so many potentially great matches in a games contest that OoT winning would not ruin the whole thing for me
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#171 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 2:43:14 PM | message detail
Bracket making is a lot easier without FFVII and OoT though.
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#172 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/12/2013 2:57:55 PM | message detail
FFVII should stay. OOT, definitely not. However, it might be interesting to see how OOT benefits from getting what some regard to be the best version of the game since last time we saw it in a games contest.

Next time I play OOT, I want it to be the 3DS version.
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#173 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 2:58:40 PM | message detail
#174 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 3:59:07 PM | message detail
I'm probably late to the party but does this poll mean that Skyrim is now officially a Top 10 game on the site? What number would it put on Brawl?
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#175 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:01:37 PM | message detail | (edited)
I don't think we've ever had an "official" top ten when it comes to games unless you count that top ten games list in 2005.

Skyrim would have to flex its muscles in an actual contest before it earns top ten status though.
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#176 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:04:11 PM | message detail
I mean, the way it looks, Skyrim would probably 55-45 Fallout 3. Not sure about Goldeneye though, but this game could be as thrilling as ever!
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#177 | transcience | Posted 1/12/2013 4:09:28 PM | message detail
top 10 list today would be impossible to predict.

RBY for #3? Skyrim top 5?
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#178 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:10:37 PM | message detail
ALttP for #3 for sure.
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#179 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:12:33 PM | message detail
I'm sure a lot of people would peg LTTP for #3, but I think it showed it can be beaten by something other than FFVII or OoT last time around.

Which was four years ago, so it could be weaker than the last time we saw it.
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#180 | transcience | Posted 1/12/2013 4:14:07 PM | message detail
I think CT would do unusually well in that format. might put it for #3 or 4, behind RBY.
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#181 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 1/12/2013 4:16:41 PM | message detail
Would anyone dispute that these 7 are in the top 10?

OoT
FFVII
RBY
LttP
SM64
SMW
SMB3
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#182 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/12/2013 4:18:30 PM | message detail
I don't dispute that list at all, but I don't know what other 3 games would round out the top 10.
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#183 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:18:31 PM | message detail
I dunno. I think Mario World and Mario 3 could be beaten by several games.
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#184 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:24:08 PM | message detail
The Top 20 I made last time was this:

1._A Link to the Past
2._Pokemon R/B/Y
3._Super Mario 64
4._Chrono Trigger
5._Super Mario Bros. 3
6._Super Mario World
7._Majora's Mask
8._Final Fantasy VI
9._Final Fantasy X
10._Super Smash Bros. Brawl

11._Super Smash Bros. Melee
12._Mass Effect 2
13._Goldeneye
14._Metal Gear Solid
15._Twilight Princess
16._Final Fantasy VIII
17._Wind Waker
18._Fallout 3
19._Pokemon G/S/C
20._Resident Evil 4

I'd probably move CT a couple places higher and make a toss--up between SMB3/SMW. Now that I think about it, Fallout 3 is way too low to actually do the least of damage to Skyrim.
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#185 | superange128 | Posted 1/12/2013 4:29:14 PM | message detail
Heh I was actually thinking if they did a sitewide top 100 game list thingy again.
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#186 | pjbasis | Posted 1/12/2013 4:31:27 PM | message detail
#187 | pjbasis | Posted 1/12/2013 4:31:58 PM | message detail
LOL and VI for that matter.

Knock that way down.
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#188 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:34:09 PM | message detail
No. I'm standing behind FFVI beating FFX.

Don't try to persuade me because you won't.
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#189 | transience | Posted 1/12/2013 4:37:59 PM | message detail
top 10 locks

FF7
OOT
CT
LTTP
RBY

near-locks

Mario 64
Skyrim
FF10

possible

MGS
Mario 3
Mario World
RE4
Brawl
Melee

3 and World hurt each other, Brawl and Melee the same.
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#190 | pjbasis | Posted 1/12/2013 4:38:52 PM | message detail
Why do they hurt each other
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#191 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:39:15 PM | message detail
I'd be kinda surprised if RE4 was a top ten game. FFX beat it pretty thoroughly in GOTD, and it's struggled against the likes of KH2 and MGS3 in the past. I know things change over time, but still.
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#192 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:40:22 PM | message detail
More like 3 and World the same; Brawl and Melee the same.
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#193 | transience | Posted 1/12/2013 4:40:43 PM | message detail
it ranked really high 8 (!) years ago, and it is very much at the top of people's lists. I'd put it top 15 at worst.
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#194 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:41:51 PM | message detail
I don't have a problem with top 15. But I have a hard time thinking that there wouldn't be several games that fit in between the gap between FFX and RE4's match.

Like, uh, Majora's Mask or Twilight Princess
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#195 | transience | Posted 1/12/2013 4:42:46 PM | message detail
well, I think you're evaluating them based on a contest match. that's a bad idea.

I think Half-Life 2 and Portal have an outside shot at top 10 as well, and I'd never consider them in that tier. it's just the audience. Halo was never a top 10 game on this site either.
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#196 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:43:29 PM | message detail
Also does RE5 and RE6 being poorly received hurt RE4's stock? And the fact that Capcom is pretty disliked nowadays, too.
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#197 | transience | Posted 1/12/2013 4:44:07 PM | message detail
no, I think it elevates RE4, actually. that game stands alone on top a pedestal.

it's not like ME2 where the sequel actively hurt it based on a constant narrative.
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#198 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:44:34 PM | message detail
Capcom being disliked didn't hurt Ryu/Ken in Ravalry Rumble, did it?
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#199 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/12/2013 4:44:55 PM | message detail
From: transience | #195
well, I think you're evaluating them based on a contest match. that's a bad idea.


Well, FFX has always looked decently better than RE4, no matter what metric you want to look at.

Besides, there's not much more to evaluate them on other than gut feeling or GOTYs or something. What's a good idea exactly?
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#200 | Advokaiser | Posted 1/12/2013 4:45:59 PM | message detail
Advokaiser posted...
Capcom being disliked didn't hurt Ryu/Ken in Rivalry Rumble, did it?

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