GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1048
in
theory I think you're right.. but I want to see it. I don't think
people are fond enough of FF8 15 years later to warrant that kind of
respect. what you are talking about is a reverence for the classics.
some games are seen as all-time games. that second tier of games like
FF8, Majora's Mask, GSC -- they don't resonate in the same way as the
absolute classics do. really wish we could have seen this before this site vanished off the map. it's been almost ten years now. --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
From: Lightning Strikes | #291 Skyrim did all the work last year, the Wii had nothing to do with it. You did see the percentages it was putting up in the polls there, right? It was looking better than TP did in 2006. Top 5 game on the site levels of good. Skyward Sword would have won easily in a year without Skyrim, as seen by it stomping everything else. Skyward Sword is probably between WW and TP/MM in strength, by the way, which I would base on its reception as well as the polls. I'm not saying Skyrim isn't strong (although the idea that it's a top 5 game on the site is a bit extreme, I think), but I wouldn't expect it to put that kind of beat down on the other strong Zelda games. I don't think Skyward Sword would beat any of the games you listed, although I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get a final 3 GOTY poll to see what the disparity between Skyrim and SS would have been. Usually the game that blows out everything in the big GOTY poll doesn't land quite as big of a blowout in the final 3. And Galaxy didn't look great even when it wasn't on the receiving end of SFF. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/26leonpngat.png http://img.imgcake.com/nio/daigohadoupnguj.png |
From: transcience | #301 really wish we could have seen this before this site vanished off the map. it's been almost ten years now. Yeah, I'm having a hard time getting excited about a contest when we're going to have 12 hour matches with 15,000 votes. The horrendous vote totals are a bit of a buzzkill for me. Maybe I'll feel differently when we actually get one, but still. --- http://img.imgcake.com/leonpngpe.png http://img.imgcake.com/squalloweenpngem.png |
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"GameFAQs
traffic is actually the higher now than a few years ago, it's just that
more visitors bypass the home page and go directly to the game/message
boards." I groaned when Bacon said that. --- Yoblazer: http://oi45.tinypic.com/258ngvc.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
yoblazer, where did Bacon say that? A response to a feedback ticket? LeonhartFour posted... Yeah, I'm having a hard time getting excited about a contest when we're going to have 12 hour matches with 15,000 votes. The horrendous vote totals are a bit of a buzzkill for me. We'll be looking at average vote totals of about 22000 votes for night matches and even the day matches would struggle to break 30000 votes. Over the past 5 months (before the GotY polls), we were consistently getting average vote totals of about 40000 votes. Also, I'd like to bring up this old post from Bacon several months ago: SBAllen posted... Another thing that really fascinates me about the way the Internet works these days is that for the most part, people don't really go through a site's main page anymore like they used to. This is the Google Era. If you want something, you Google it, go to the result, and then go do something else. Our Google driven traffic's up nearly 1000% in the past 5 years, but as you can imagine a lot of people who hit us from Google get their answer and then move on. That's something I am already working on improving to keep more of those users, but it's not really detrimental to our overall traffic or anything as we have way more new users these days than we did back then as well. :) --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
From: -LusterSoldier- | #306 yoblazer, where did Bacon say that? A response to a feedback ticket? Yes, your feedback ticket, which you just quoted in the same post lol He says the "Google driven traffic's up nearly 1000% in the past five years" and that we have "way more new users these days than we did back then" all while front page vote totals have decreased drastically. It just doesn't jive. --- Yoblazer: http://oi52.tinypic.com/ad21i1.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
PartOfYourWorld posted... From: -LusterSoldier- | #306yoblazer, where did Bacon say that? A response to a feedback ticket? His explanation seems completely logical and believable to me, frankly. --- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch |
transcience posted... in theory I think you're right.. but I want to see it. I don't think people are fond enough of FF8 15 years later to warrant that kind of respect. what you are talking about is a reverence for the classics. some games are seen as all-time games. that second tier of games like FF8, Majora's Mask, GSC -- they don't resonate in the same way as the absolute classics do. "some games are seen as all-time games" Under most situations, I would not want to bank on this idea, and I'd pick Brawl to be a top 5 game on this site solely because it makes sense. Unfortunately, Brawl's bombing in the later rounds of GOTD more or less proved, at least to me, that you're right: GFAQs generally holds '90s games in far higher regard than it does games from afterwards. And I'd honestly like to know why because I see no reason for it. Does "influence voting" really play that big a role? On the other hand, there's also the possibility that Majora's Mask/FFX/Brawl really is the new top tier of the non-FFVII/OOT crowd. This is something I will fight to the death about. I just can't wait for another games contest to divide the board into the "oldies will rule" and "the new guys are going to be strong" camps. Also considering how strong Fallout 3 and Oblivion are, Skyrim being stronger than FFVIII does make a lot of sense. Though to ask you guys: what's the weakest game from the GOTD field that you'd take to beat FFVIII? My answer: The Wind Waker. Okay, I'd pick FFVIII over Skyrim. Fine, whatever. Definitely not over Brawl though. Holy crap no that is not happening. Getting back to the original idea that "some games are all time games", part of me feels that BGE2009 debunked that whole train of thought - HOWEVER the results I cited were Half-Life 2's and Resident Evil 4's matches since I thought those games would fall under "all time game" status. Any reason why they don't other than being "too new"? It really seems that only games from the '90s match this, and yet at the same time, said games are generally declining in strength, or at least the ones from before the late '90s are. Just to ask a stupid question, how well do you feel this matches up with GameFAQs' favorite games?: http://www.unikgamer.com/tops/favorite-video-games-of-all-time-1.html I was just wondering if this unikgamer list could at all be used to forecast what games might do well in a future games contest on GameFAQs. So yeah, I'd take the strongest games from the '00s to beat the strongest non-OOT/FFVII competition from the '90s. Argue away. --- Currently Playing - Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
Well FFVIII would beat FFX so naturally it would beat Brawl --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 |
From: LeonhartFour | #302 I'm not saying Skyrim isn't strong (although the idea that it's a top 5 game on the site is a bit extreme, I think), but I wouldn't expect it to put that kind of beat down on the other strong Zelda games. I don't think Skyward Sword would beat any of the games you listed, although I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get a final 3 GOTY poll to see what the disparity between Skyrim and SS would have been. Usually the game that blows out everything in the big GOTY poll doesn't land quite as big of a blowout in the final 3. Galaxy has never NOT been on the receiving end of SFF except for one match. Even when it was getting SFF'd in GotD though, it managed to look good. It didn't do much worse on TP than KHII did and KHII is very strong. Without SFF Galaxy would easily beat it. As for Skyrim, well... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4594 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2629 Unless you're telling me that SS and Arkham City would struggle with FFXII there's no way Skyrim isn't at least top 10 going on its performance last year (it may have weakened, true, but going strictly on the polls it is amazing). Just to clarify what I mean TP's poll was really weak while Skyrim's was pretty strong, but Skyrim did even better than TP did. Consider the hype surrounding TP and the Wii at release and think about that. My top 5 game (which I don't think it'll hold onto mind) statement was perfectly valid with that in mind. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
Out
of the top 50 games in that Unikgamer list, 47 of those games have
appeared in a GameFAQs contest. The other 3 games were released in 2010
or 2011 and wouldn't be eligible for GOTD. Those 3 games were Mass
Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, and Portal 2. I know we'll see ME2 in a
contest someday, and maybe the other 2 games as well. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
What proof do we have that FFVIII would beat FFX? My god there sure are a crap ton of question marks. Just get whoever is in charge of contests to hold a new games contest pronto. --- Currently Playing - Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
From: redrocket | #308 His explanation seems completely logical and believable to me, frankly. It would, if it didn't fly so hard in the face of the numbers. He says we're experiencing an overall 5x traffic increase (that IS what he means with the 1000% Google driven traffic increase, isn't it?) over the same period of time when front page votals have decreased by 2-3x. It's hard for me to believe this site is more popular. We'd see it reflected in votals, in Alexa traffic rankings, in the number of registered users active on the boards. All those metrics are either down or stagnant. --- Yoblazer: http://i.imgur.com/EQqRH.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
PartOfYourWorld posted... From: -LusterSoldier- | #306yoblazer, where did Bacon say that? A response to a feedback ticket? If you put something like "gamefaqs skyrim" or "skyrim walkthrough" into Google, the GameFAQs entry had a direct link to the game page. SBAllen says the typical user does something like that, gets the info they want and leaves and thus never go to the front page. What makes you think this doesn't make sense? --- SuperNiceDog was not so nice to my bracket. Congrats to SuperNiceDog for winning the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest! |
-LusterSoldier- posted... Out of the top 50 games in that Unikgamer list, 47 of those games have appeared in a GameFAQs contest. The other 3 games were released in 2010 or 2011 and wouldn't be eligible for GOTD. Those 3 games were Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, and Portal 2. I know we'll see ME2 in a contest someday, and maybe the other 2 games as well. Now let's look at stuff that's not in the top 50. Notably #s 56, 59, 63, 64, 65, 68, 82, and 96. --- Currently Playing - Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
PartOfYourWorld posted... From: redrocket | #308His explanation seems completely logical and believable to me, frankly. Most of this growth would be coming from the smartphone/twitter generation. Think about that for a moment and I'm sure you can figure out why that wouldn't translate into front page views or message board registrations. And lol Alexa. --- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch |
PartOfYourWorld posted... From: redrocket | #308His explanation seems completely logical and believable to me, frankly. 1000% Google traffic increase means the number of people who get to GameFAQs via a Google search is 11 times than what it was 5 years before he made that comment. It doesn't mean a 5x increase in overall traffic. That comment doesn't really say anything about overall traffic. However, his previous comments about this being the "Google era" makes it sound like traffic from non-Google sources (like say being a person's homepage or bookmark) is way down. The last line of the SBAllen quotation in Luster Soldier's post make it sound like the two factors cancel each other out and at worst overall traffic hasn't changed much. The problem with traffic now coming from Google is highlighted in the search terms I mentioned earlier. Users now skip over the homepage and go directly to the FAQs. I wouldn't put much stock in Alexa rankings. GameFAQs users aren't really the type to install the toolbar and get counted in the rankings. --- SuperNiceDog was not so nice to my bracket. Congrats to SuperNiceDog for winning the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest! |
And lol Alexa. http://tinyurl.com/bejoypl http://tinyurl.com/b332max http://tinyurl.com/an9t38y http://tinyurl.com/bxyayj9 http://tinyurl.com/bcjpaeo It's not just GameFAQS but many other gaming sites saw a very sharp decrease in traffic for last 4 years. I will blame this on the lack of new consoles. --- ... |
it's
not new consoles, it's that gamefaqs was once the center of the
Internet for indepth information on a game and now it's spread to
hundreds of different websites. wikia alone has killed gamefaqs with
superior presentation and easy-to-find general information. the days of
digging through a 1000 page text file is over. the fact that this site has clung to its Nintendo and RPGs and never moved on just goes to show you that this population isn't changing. it's just getting older and dying off slowly. --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
Late
to the conversation, but I think 'anti-Wii sentiment' is overrated when
it comes to games. Skyward Sword didn't disappoint because it was a Wii
game, it disappointed because it...well, disappointed people (sorry
yo). Xenoblade is already very strong for a JRPG that isn't Final
Fantasy or Pokemon - I mean, how many JRPGs like that from this gen can
you name that would do decently in a contest setting? Persona 4, Dark
Souls (only a JRPG by the strictest setting), and... When Xenoblade sells more than 500k worldwide and still does poorly, then we can talk about anti-Wii backlash affecting games. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. |
Why exactly *has* this site clung to Nintendo and RPGs? --- Currently Playing - Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros. Brawl |
Which
makes it hard to believe that we're getting, in SBAllen's words, "way
more new users these days than we did back then as well." You'd have to
argue that an extremely high % of them (probably nearing 100%) always
skip the home page, never bother to vote, and never create a site
account. Western games are less popular now than they were on this site a
freakin decade ago. Seriously, Halo 2 did better in polls than 3 and 4.
It's clear that the people still voting on the front page are the old guard. They've been here for years, they love old classics, Nintendo games, and RPGs, which explains those games maintaining their immense strength here. What I don't buy is the explanation for the site traffic - that it has actually increased and we're getting "way more" new visitors, but we simply can't see a single one of em because they all go straight to the Skyrim/CoD questions, find their answer, and ninja on out of here. It's hard to swallow. Much easier to believe that SBAllen is lying. --- Yoblazer: http://oi45.tinypic.com/2zguly0.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Oh,
SS absolutely disappointed people. It owned motion controls like no
hardcore Wii game before it, and tons of people out there simply dislike
motion controls. It was never going to get universal love. I do think
its playrate is below Zelda standards, however, since by that point,
many gamers had abandoned the Wii. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/5nw45i.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
The
site's not as heavily Nintendo/Square as it used to be. Neither company
has won a GotY since 2008 (Square since 2001, actually) and certainly
won't win one this year. If anything, this generation has really been
all about the rise of the wRPG on GameFAQs, with Bethesda and Bioware
becoming a much larger presence. Hell, Bethesda could very well be the
third most-dominant company on the site now, as Skyrim's got a good case
to be the strongest non-Nintendo/Square game on the site, and Fallout 3
has had very impressive performances as well. In a way, it's pretty weird that these games do so well here, as these games have wikis that are very popular and much easier to use than GameFAQs, especially with Bethesda's games and their open-ended nature. Of course, Luster probably has multiple spreadsheets tracking the ever-changing demographics of this site, and I'm sure he'd be happy to share them with the rest of us. --- im al going to tie up a girl and punch her 35 in the boobs once in each of her boobs 35 times http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3525106 |
PartOfYourWorld posted... Which makes it hard to believe that we're getting, in SBAllen's words, "way more new users these days than we did back then as well." You'd have to argue that an extremely high % of them (probably nearing 100%) always skip the home page, never bother to vote, and never create a site account. Western games are less popular now than they were on this site a freakin decade ago. Seriously, Halo 2 did better in polls than 3 and 4. I'm sorry, I just don't buy your cynicism here. What is on the front page that anyone actually cares about? --- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch |
redrocket posted... I'm sorry, I just don't buy your cynicism here. What is on the front page that anyone actually cares about? Top 10, duh. Tens of thousands go to the front page just to read fantastic articles like "The Top 10 Epic Metroid Prime Boss Battles (Spoilers)" --- im al going to tie up a girl and punch her 35 in the boobs once in each of her boobs 35 times http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3525106 |
Honestly,
I googled some questions about AC3 and RE6 and the first results were
the same question being asked on GameFAQs. I can see why someone who
wouldn't go here regularly would completely skip the homepage. ...I know that's just silly anecdotal evidence and all but if there's a lot of people doing the same as me, I buy traffic being a little higher. There's zero need to go through the home page. --- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/59xiiipngpy.png |
From: KamikazePotato | #321 When Xenoblade sells more than 500k worldwide and still does poorly, then we can talk about anti-Wii backlash affecting games. Okay, there aren't any official numbers for Xenoblade outside of Japan but no way it is under 500k based on its chart placements in the US and Europe. Probably closer to double that. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
It potentially doubled Tales of Symphonia in terms of non-Japanese sales? That's a bit hard to believe. --- SuperNiceDog was not so nice to my bracket. Congrats to SuperNiceDog for winning the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest! |
What
chart placement? If I recall Xenoblade wasn't on the NPD due to being
retailer/online exclusive. I'm not sure what other NA chart you might
have seen it on. The last I saw it for Japanese sales though had it at
161k. After that it wasn't on charts anymore so it likely didn't get
much higher than that. You can't really blame people for doubting a
retailer exclusive niche JRPG sold 1 million copies. Xenoblade just reminds me that Pandora's Tower was the only one of that "trio" to never get localized and now never will. That bums me out since it's the one I was most interested in playing. --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 |
From: swordz9 | #331 What chart placement? If I recall Xenoblade wasn't on the NPD due to being retailer/online exclusive. I'm not sure what other NA chart you might have seen it on. The last I saw it for Japanese sales though had it at 161k. After that it wasn't on charts anymore so it likely didn't get much higher than that. You can't really blame people for doubting a retailer exclusive niche JRPG sold 1 million copies. Xenoblade did very well in the European charts, debuting 1-3 in all regions and sticking around for months. It also went through at least five shipments, and managed those placements despite selling out. It was also estimated third or so for the NPD by analysts. Oh, and retailer-exclusive status means diddly, if it sells it sells, where doesn't matter. Here in the UK, you couldn't actually buy a lot of games this year from the biggest retailers. And yet they still sold well, because if people want a game, they will buy it, regardless of how many places stock it. P.S. Pandora's Tower got an English localisation, if you're that mad about it just import a PAL version. Also, Symphonia sold about 800,000 outside of Japan. Not doubled at all. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
I
don't import games. I also feel it's stupid to have to when it was
released in English, but not in a place as huge as North America. Isn't
the Wii region blocked anyways? --- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 |
Well, your loss. And as big a market as NA is, Pandora's Tower is a niche game. Not "niche", but proper niche. It did well for what it was, being a super-budget cult game, but it even getting a localisation at all was an act of love on NoE's part, the game was basically screaming "Japan only" from the second it was announced. Great game btw, 2012's most underrated title. --- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig |
I think there are two other reasons for the population decline: 1.) games these days hold your hand so much. there isn't an unknown world to explore like in the past - a lot of games are corridor romps with lots of in-game tutorials, maps and etc. there's a reason that the popular games here are really heavy on narrative, setting and exploration. those kind of games are FAQ bait. 2.) a lot of games are focused on multiplayer experiences and gamefaqs is for solo games. I'd be surprised if anybody needed a call of duty FAQ for anything other than the highest difficulty. --- add the c and back away iphonesience |
oh, and since this is the 9th poll and everything has been 10 options, I expect we'll see a 10th poll. predix: best motion game --- xyzzy |
Best third-person shooter? Because Spec Ops: the Line hasn't been anywhere yet and I'll be mad if I can't vote for my personal GOTY. --- SuperNiceDog took my lunch money. |
transience posted... oh, and since this is the 9th poll and everything has been 10 options, I expect we'll see a 10th poll. I can't think of any other genres that could be used for a 10th poll. Possible options for a 10th poll: Best Miscellaneous Game - For games that just didn't belong in the other 9 genre polls. Best System Exclusive Game - It would include a lot of the same games that were in the previous 9 polls, though ME3 would likely win that poll. Best Portable Game - This would be a good idea, as we never got to see NSMB2 in action yet. Best Mobile Game - Out of the previous 9 polls, there were only 2 games that were available exclusively on mobile systems. So this poll might be possible. Best Indie Game - This is a poll that we've had in past years, so it is also possible. Best Download-Only Game - Same reason as above. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
I'll predict a combo Portable/Mobile poll myself. --- im al going to tie up a girl and punch her 35 in the boobs once in each of her boobs 35 times http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3525106 |
let's get this goty over with and start the new contest already --- ... |
how about best second place game let's go Pokemon Black/White 2 vs. Pokemon Conquest --- xyzzy |
Sonic > FIFA > Mario. SmartvoterFAQs.com --- Ngamer64: Zylo, you're making less sense every day. SuperNiceDog > Me |
FIFA
would have won this poll if it wasn't for the US and Canada, since it
is outright winning in South America, Europe, Asia, and Oceania. It's
also winning in Mexico as well. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
There's also a chance of an original-GotY. I imagine Xenoblade wins while Dishonored looks respectable again if we have that. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate SuperNiceDog's Guru-choice, then Epona. |
nah. all those games have already been in a poll, and Xenoblade already won one best "3" game. --- xyzzy |
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3353 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3360 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3724 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4208 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4216 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4588 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4592 Previously being in a poll doesn't mean anything for being eligible for the original-GotY. Xenoblade already winning a different poll doesn't mean it can't also be the original-GotY...though I could see SB snubbing the poll anyway if he felt like Xenoblade would win again. --- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3492/eponaharr.jpg Nominate SuperNiceDog's Guru-choice, then Epona. |
Maybe this is sign of a Vyse boosting, let's bring him back in the next character battle. --- O brilliant blade of coldest steel, rend the infinite darkness and crush my enemies to nothing... SAVAGE WOLF FURY |
From: Lightning Strikes | #311 Galaxy has never NOT been on the receiving end of SFF except for one match. Even when it was getting SFF'd in GotD though, it managed to look good. It didn't do much worse on TP than KHII did and KHII is very strong. Without SFF Galaxy would easily beat it. It didn't look good in the first round of the 2009 Games Contest. Even if you want to discount D/P/P as being detrimental to it, even giving Galaxy 100% of D/P/P's votes would have come off as a poor showing. It certainly didn't impress me against R/S/E, which went wire to wire with GTA4 the round before. And I don't think there was really any SFF between TP and Galaxy. It was a 60/40 match. That's probably Galaxy's legit strength level right there. --- http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/9919/leonhart.png |
we don't do theories too much here anymore, but here's one I don't think games are linear unless you're talking about the top tier ones. the top 10 or so have consistent results but those 10 just ruin the others so badly that comparisons are completely messed up. I wouldn't trust any arguments using stats. --- xyzzy |
LinkMarioSamus posted... Under most situations, I would not want to bank on this idea, and I'd pick Brawl to be a top 5 game on this site solely because it makes sense. Unfortunately, Brawl's bombing in the later rounds of GOTD more or less proved, at least to me, that you're right: GFAQs generally holds '90s games in far higher regard than it does games from afterwards. And I'd honestly like to know why because I see no reason for it. Does "influence voting" really play that big a role? I'm guessing most of the site thinks the quality of games released in 2000 or later has gone down since the 1990s and that's it's much harder now to produce a game that can stand up to the greatest games of the 1990s. I don't think we'll ever see another game during our lifetime that will be able to threaten FFVII. --- Luster Soldier --- ~Shield Bearer~ | ~Data Analyst~ Popular at school, but not as cool as SuperNiceDog, Guru Champ! |
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