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#251 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:44:19 PM | message detail
Of course they do, when they settle the fates of everyone else in the bracket. Extrapolated standings are everything, nominal standings are worthless.
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#252 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/10/2012 1:45:50 PM | message detail
Again, you keep bringing up things that don't matter to the quality of the match itself.
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#253 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:47:42 PM | message detail
And I'm quite aware that I'm not being completely logical here, but it remains that there's a qualitatively big difference between 53/47 and 58/42. On a personal level, that rivals match was a gut punch in a way that none of the other Link/Cloud matches were. That rivals match felt like a declaration that Link/Legend of Zelda was going to win every single contest in the future, in whatever format, for whatever criteria (characters, games, etc.). Before, this feeling did not exist- remember, even now, Zelda has only won 10 out of 14 contests- barely more than 2/3 of contests. That's a lot of losses.
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#254 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:48:24 PM | message detail
Again, you keep bringing up things that don't matter to the quality of the match itself.

I'm talking about the quality of the contest, not the quality of the match itself. There's a subtle difference there.
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#255 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:49:56 PM | message detail
Also, even for the match itself, stuff like that matters to me. I'd far rather watch Crono 57/43 Bowser while we ponder its implications for Crono/Sonic than watch Deus Ex and [I forgot the other game] go 50/50 for hours.
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#256 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/10/2012 1:52:19 PM | message detail
Most people agree that CBVIII was a good contest.

Link/Cloud had nothing to do with it.
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#257 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:53:32 PM | message detail
It did for me. Look, this is all a matter of personal feeling. I enjoy what I enjoy and you enjoy what you enjoy.
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#258 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/10/2012 1:55:39 PM | message detail
From: red sox 777 | #253
Before, this feeling did not exist- remember, even now, Zelda has only won 10 out of 14 contests- barely more than 2/3 of contests. That's a lot of losses.


Oi.
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#259 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:57:47 PM | message detail
Since we're on the topic (sorta), if a Linkless Character Battle were to happen, to set up a Final Four of:

Mario
Cloud

Snake
Samus

Would anyone consider Cloud > Mario, Samus > Snake , then Samus > Cloud in the Finals due to Nintendo Can't Lose/FF finals underperformance/Samus>Mario Indirectly I swear!
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#260 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/10/2012 1:58:32 PM | message detail
From: LeonhartFour | #258
From: red sox 777 | #253
Before, this feeling did not exist- remember, even now, Zelda has only won 10 out of 14 contests- barely more than 2/3 of contests. That's a lot of losses.


Oi.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who did a double take there
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#261 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:59:05 PM | message detail
Also anyone who didn't pull 'Zelda can't lose' from Game of the Decade was nuts. The third-tier Zelda got rallied to victory because Zelda winning is an upset.
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#262 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 1:59:25 PM | message detail
I'd consider it, but probably wouldn't take it. Cloud has to fit into a pretty narrow window there to beat Mario and lose to Samus- the probabilities don't seem to work out too well.
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#263 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 2:00:49 PM | message detail
Also anyone who didn't pull 'Zelda can't lose' from Game of the Decade was nuts. The third-tier Zelda got rallied to victory because Zelda winning is an upset.

That might be true, but considering how narrowly we avoided Brawl winning.........there was too much celebration to think badly of Zelda winning.
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#264 | Lopen | Posted 9/10/2012 5:39:56 PM | message detail
Give me Brawl over Majora's Mask any day
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#265 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 5:47:00 PM | message detail
tbqh Ocarina of Time: Master Quest would be a better winner than Brawl.
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#266 | Lopen | Posted 9/10/2012 6:27:28 PM | message detail
tbqh Superman 64 would be a better winner than Majora's Mask
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#267 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/10/2012 6:58:50 PM | message detail
red sox 777 posted...
Also anyone who didn't pull 'Zelda can't lose' from Game of the Decade was nuts. The third-tier Zelda got rallied to victory because Zelda winning is an upset.

That might be true, but considering how narrowly we avoided Brawl winning.........there was too much celebration to think badly of Zelda winning.

I was pissed off. Had Brawl won, I would have won a prize =(
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#268 | MegaWentEvil | Posted 9/10/2012 8:53:40 PM | message detail
tbqh Superman 64 would be a better winner than Majora's Mask


That's right. Hail King Supez tha 6'4''.
#269 | Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/10/2012 8:59:36 PM | message detail
I think I'd take Mario over Cloud/Sephiroth.
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#270 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/10/2012 10:21:41 PM | message detail
Better Superman 64 than Brawl.
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#271 | Lopen | Posted 9/10/2012 11:23:21 PM | message detail
Well actually I agree on that but that's beside the point
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#272 | pjbasis | Posted 9/11/2012 12:17:30 AM | message detail
Games would be way better because it's been a longer time since we've seen the pre-2000 entries and there will be more entries coming from the the last three years than for characters.
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#273 | BK_Sheikah00 | Posted 9/11/2012 12:57:03 AM | message detail
Games are simply way more interesting. Skyrim, Mass Effect 2, Portal would shake things up a lot more than the Dragonborn, Shepard, or Glados would. The only downside of a Games contest is that I would have to wait another year before I can vote for Link again, but he might get the Bonus match like in GotD so it could all work out.
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#274 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 9/11/2012 3:20:37 PM | message detail | (edited)
I'd probably rather see the top characters going at it more than the top games, but I care much more about how mid and low-tier games do than how mid and low-tier characters do.
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#275 | Lopen | Posted 9/11/2012 4:42:59 PM | message detail
I actually prefer character contests generally. The fanboy in me can't really get behind many games in any given bracket-- and what few I can get behind are usually fodder. Game matches might be more interesting as in they're harder to predict and have more interesting newcomers, but character matches really appeal to the more passionate side of me-- and most people, I assume. I seem to remember a lot more whining for character contests than game contests, generally.

That being said any normal kind of contest would be welcome at this point.

(bring back 4 ways)
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#276 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/11/2012 4:47:25 PM | message detail
Forget normal contests, it's time for Characters vs. Games.
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#277 | Not_Wylvane (Topic Creator) | Posted 9/11/2012 5:34:20 PM | message detail
Females Villains vs Series Rivalries four-ways.
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#278 | pjbasis | Posted 9/12/2012 4:23:12 PM | message detail
From: Lopen | #275
Game matches might be more interesting as in they're harder to predict and have more interesting newcomers, but character matches really appeal to the more passionate side of me-- and most people, I assume.


I doubt it.

At the end of the day we all fell in love with video games, not just the characters of them.

Crono looks badass but no way would he be popular if he wasn't the representative of Chrono Trigger.
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#279 | Lopen | Posted 9/12/2012 4:53:40 PM | message detail
You can doubt it all you want I'm just saying the evidence supports it. Definitely more matches packed with whining/cheating/drama in character battles.
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#280 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2012 7:08:05 PM | message detail
Characters > Games
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#281 | XIII_rocks | Posted 9/12/2012 7:09:34 PM | message detail
From: Lopen | #266
tbqh Superman 64 would be a better winner than Majora's Mask

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#282 | Iamthekuzalol | Posted 9/12/2012 8:09:40 PM | message detail
I prefer seeing character contest too, finds myself relating better to VG characters than the actual games they are in.
#283 | pjbasis | Posted 9/12/2012 8:13:05 PM | message detail
#284 | Boudii | Posted 9/12/2012 9:04:47 PM | message detail
lol skyward sword

xenoblade ;(
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#285 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2012 9:06:55 PM | message detail
Whoa there Brawl
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#286 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/12/2012 9:07:37 PM | message detail
The shadow of Ocarina of Time is stronger than all these games.
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#287 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/12/2012 9:14:51 PM | message detail
Brawl is popular, who knew?

(I kinda wish this poll didn't happen if we're getting a Games Contest because this takes a lot of wind out of the Skyrim sails)
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#288 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2012 9:17:46 PM | message detail
Well, I think everyone kind of figured that Skyrim laying the smack down on Skyward Sword in GOTY was partially because Skyward Sword wasn't going to be as strong as Twilight Princess or Majora's Mask. It's probably more on The Wind Waker's level at best, which is still pretty good and leaves plenty of room for Skyrim to be stronger than Oblivion by a good margin.

Plus, you have to take these polls with a grain of salt anyway, obviously. Besides, I figured we'd be getting a traditional Character Battle this year if we got anything because it's been nearly three years since the last one.

Seriously.
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#289 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/12/2012 9:18:31 PM | message detail
Brawl is still pretty strong when it comes down to it. It's probably Melee's equal, a top 10ish game. If it hadn't lost to MM everyone would probably agree it's a top 10 game. For Skyrim to beat it would have been quite a big event.
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#290 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/12/2012 10:22:17 PM | message detail
What the hell is THIS.
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#291 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/12/2012 10:27:15 PM | message detail
Currently, Brawl has 66.75% on Skyward Sword right now. Also, Skyward Sword has just 58.38% against Xenoblade. Going by the Brawl/TP match in GotD, that puts TP at 64.81% on Skyward Sword.

I don't think that puts Skyward Sword around the level of Wind Waker. I think even Wind Waker would perform better against TP than then the ~35% that Skyward Sword has against TP.
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#292 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/12/2012 10:28:50 PM | message detail
Well, I think Skyward Sword is being hurt a lot more by the other games in the poll than Xenoblade is. If any game in this poll is "independent," it's Xenoblade. I think it shows that Brawl probably puts an SFF beatdown on it 1-on-1 instead of being able to resist it like TP was. But Melee laid an SFF smackdown on Wind Waker, too, so it's not unheard of.
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#293 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/12/2012 10:36:15 PM | message detail
I'm probably more surprised at how close the 2 Mario Galaxies are in this poll. I didn't think they would be nearly identical in strength. Perhaps Mario Galaxy 2 should be given an its first opportunity in a games contest based on this poll.
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#294 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 9/12/2012 10:57:18 PM | message detail | (edited)
Edit: Forgot the first Games contest with Brawl in it, nvm.
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#295 | red sox 777 | Posted 9/13/2012 12:47:17 PM | message detail
Chrono Trigger vs. Brawl. To avenge Melee. Consider the glove thrown.
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#296 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/13/2012 12:54:13 PM | message detail
I see Brawl is getting the ASV in this poll, though I will not bother during trend charts because of the SFF involved in this poll.
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#297 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/14/2012 2:18:20 AM | message detail
All three Mario games in the poll combined couldn't outdo Skyward Sword.
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#298 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 9/14/2012 9:23:44 AM | message detail
Probably because they were bringing each other down.

And don't forget the other "Mario-type appeal" games like Kirby's Epic Yarn and DKCR.
#299 | LeonhartFour | Posted 9/14/2012 9:25:11 AM | message detail
From: LinkMarioSamus | #298
Probably because they were bringing each other down.


Which was the point of combining their percentages, yeah.
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#300 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 9/14/2012 12:05:16 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/11-sballin/64040837

No contest announcement this week, based on that topic.
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