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#451 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2012 8:28:28 PM | message detail
From: Ngamer64 | #450
Having this up to date will be quite helpful two months from now when the Best System bracket comes online!

*gag reflex*
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#452 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/27/2012 8:35:17 PM | message detail
Gag reflex at the thought of having a contest like that, or because system ownership data means nothing at all when predicting a Best System bracket?
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#453 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2012 8:45:01 PM | message detail
Both.
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#454 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/27/2012 8:50:56 PM | message detail
I would not be opposed to a Best System contest, but I do agree that system ownership data is useless when predicting that kind of contest.
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#455 | pjbasis | Posted 6/27/2012 9:35:17 PM | message detail
I would not be opposed to one if it was the secondary contest of the year.

If we're going to just get yearly contests, then it can remain an idea.
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#456 | TheCodeisBosco | Posted 6/27/2012 9:40:12 PM | message detail
Best system contest would be pointless. The Saturn would kill everything.

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#457 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/27/2012 9:48:26 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
I would not be opposed to one if it was the secondary contest of the year.


Same here. If we ever had 2 contests in one year, one of them could be Best System Ever. That's the only situation where I would want that contest. You know it's a terrible year for contests if the only contest of the year is Best System Ever.
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#458 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/28/2012 6:58:40 AM | message detail
A problem with Best System would be how predictable it'd be, and how small the bracket would have to be. Imagine how much turbo-fodder we'd have to deal with if it was a 64-system bracket.

It'd be too short, it wouldn't really be that interesting, and I doubt anyone would really root for systems the same way they do for characters or games. I can't see it working as a contest.
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#459 | pjbasis | Posted 6/28/2012 7:27:35 AM | message detail
You think console wars would be enough to tell you people care about consoles.

Short isn't bad.

More predictable than your typical character battle? I don't we have a consensus winner!
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#460 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/28/2012 8:42:46 AM | message detail
Not a consensus winner, but 90% of the actual matches will be predictable, and most of the ones that aren't will be between fodder anyway. There will only be two or three matches that could go either way between consoles of actual strength.
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#461 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/28/2012 12:07:29 PM | message detail
From: pjbasis | #459
You think console wars would be enough to tell you people care about consoles.

Console wars are stupid though, always have been.

But Wylvane's right. Just because the winner might be somewhat debatable doesn't mean the rest of the bracket isn't going to totally suck.
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#462 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/28/2012 1:33:13 PM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
You think console wars would be enough to tell you people care about consoles.

Short isn't bad.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4634

Looking at the vote totals on that poll, it looks like people really cared about console wars. That poll is just one of 3 polls this year to get over 60000 votes.

We have had 32 entrant contests before, but both of them sucked. That might be a big reason why some people wouldn't be interested in a Best System contest ("Console Wars" is a better name, though), because we've already had 2 hit and misses with 32 entrant contests.
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#463 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/28/2012 3:34:14 PM | message detail
Is there anyone who really argues about whether the PS3 or 360 is better these days, especially with the Wii to hate on? The people who really gave a s*** about which console is best have pretty much grown up and won't give as much a s*** now.
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#464 | pjbasis | Posted 6/28/2012 4:07:43 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm just gonna have to disagree.

It's not more stupid than arguing about which FF you think is the best, and that never fails to generate discussion.
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#465 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/28/2012 4:29:27 PM | message detail
It's not about whether the PS3 or 360 is better. I want to see how the PS3 or 360 stand up against the PS2, GameCube, SNES, or other systems. That would be far more interesting than having the PS3 going up against the 360.
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#466 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 6/28/2012 11:40:19 PM | message detail
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Never thought I'd see Gamefaqs prefer subs over dubs for Japanese video games. It'll probably change once the day hits though.
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#467 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/29/2012 12:40:45 AM | message detail
The trends for this poll will be very interesting. I noticed the English speaking countries prefer dubbed over subbed. But for countries without English as an official language, they prefer subbed over dubbed.

The first poll option has a ridiculous percentage in South America and Asia. In Europe, the first poll option has about 39% despite having only about 25% in the UK.
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#468 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 6/29/2012 1:06:51 AM | message detail | (edited)
I use subtitled whenever possible, and only listen to games in English.
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#469 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/29/2012 2:49:10 AM | message detail
pjbasis posted...
Yeah, I'm just gonna have to disagree.

It's not more stupid than arguing about which FF you think is the best, and that never fails to generate discussion.


It is more stupid.
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#470 | WhiteLens | Posted 6/29/2012 5:15:18 AM | message detail | (edited)
UltimaterializerX posted...
I use subtitled whenever possible, and only listen to games in English.


That's not really what the poll is asking.
It's basically asking on whether or not you prefer Japanese or English voices when given the choice.

Like several fighting games, Sonic games, and RPGs are dual audio, giving you a choice.

That said, I usually choose English voices no matter how bad they could be.

Oh wait nevermind, that "I don't want to read" part is kinda dumb.

And I'm surprised that Subtitled is winning, either GameFAQs is full of Japanophiles (which could very well be true) or they don't want to say that they don't like reading.
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#471 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/29/2012 1:31:49 PM | message detail
From: WhiteLens | #470
Oh wait nevermind, that "I don't want to read" part is kinda dumb.

Yeah, that's dumb because the reason I prefer dubbed has nothing to do with not wanting to read.
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#472 | pjbasis | Posted 6/29/2012 2:18:40 PM | message detail
I picked it depends on the game.

The more "Western" it is, I prefer English: Metal Gear, Sonic, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, etc.

The more anime or Japanese inspired it is, I prefer Japanese: Tales, Persona, games based directly on anime, etc.

Fighting games fall under "who cares" and lie in an equilibrium where I switch back and forth when I'm bord.
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#473 | pjbasis | Posted 6/29/2012 2:20:20 PM | message detail
I also think 5% of GameFAQs users don't realize Nintendo is Japanese.
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#474 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 6/29/2012 2:22:33 PM | message detail
From: pjbasis | #473
I also think 5% of GameFAQs users don't realize Nintendo is Japanese.

Or they could be CoD Bro gamers exclusively
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#475 | pjbasis | Posted 6/29/2012 2:24:24 PM | message detail
I'd imagine it would be more likely they were just PC gamers.
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#476 | HaRRicH | Posted 6/29/2012 2:48:31 PM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Is there anyone who really argues about whether the PS3 or 360 is better these days, especially with the Wii to hate on? The people who really gave a s*** about which console is best have pretty much grown up and won't give as much a s*** now.


Another part of this perspective is how important multi-platform games are now. Skyrim, Mass Effect 2, and Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 won the past three GotYs here, for example. Before that, only one multi-platform game won it here: Resident Evil 4...which was a Gamecube-exclusive most of 2005 and would have won without its PS2-release.

When most of the best games in recent years are on PS3/360/PC, once-exclusive companies like Square broadened their range, and Nintendo (THE company that depends on exclusives) has lost ground with our demographics...the idea of "console wars" loses its relevance.
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#477 | HaRRicH | Posted 6/29/2012 9:32:46 PM | message detail
We're a day away from the ten-year anniversary of GameFAQs-contests...hopefully we get some kind of relevant poll (or a contest-announcement!).
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#478 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/29/2012 10:02:29 PM | message detail
I think it might be possible that we might get a poll related to the GameFAQs contests for tomorrow's poll. Polls for the next 2 days:

7/1/2012 - I don't know. Probably an original poll idea.
7/2/2012 - How important are video games in your life?
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#479 | LeonhartFour | Posted 6/30/2012 2:49:38 AM | message detail
From: pjbasis | #472
The more "Western" it is, I prefer English: Metal Gear, Sonic, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, etc.

Final Fantasy is western to you?
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#480 | WhiteLens | Posted 6/30/2012 5:51:28 AM | message detail | (edited)
Considering its fantasy setting and how most of the names are English sounding, I'd say that it has a "Western" feel to it.
And you can argue all your want on how strange Nomura's design can be, but even his designs aren't overly 'anime' looking.
I mean it is the one JRPG series that appeals the most to Western people. (Not counting Pokemon in this)
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#481 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 6/30/2012 5:36:41 AM | message detail
I hear FF always described as anime-like, but then again I love Final Fantasy and hate anime in general, so.

I'm surprised Luster's not orgasming over this poll. The trends! The geolocation results!
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#482 | Haste_2 | Posted 6/30/2012 8:34:56 AM | message detail | (edited)
Edit: What Harrich said.

I wonder if SBAllen is going to do anything with this...at the very least we can send him a reminder.


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#483 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/30/2012 11:43:41 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
I hear FF always described as anime-like, but then again I love Final Fantasy and hate anime in general, so.

I'm surprised Luster's not orgasming over this poll. The trends! The geolocation results!


I've heard that the MGS series also has a lot of "anime" tropes.
#484 | pjbasis | Posted 6/30/2012 11:47:39 AM | message detail
It does, but it also pulls references from lots of other media, movies most notably.

From: LeonhartFour | #479
Final Fantasy is western to you?


It has a wide appeal that isn't strictly Japanese, hence being more western than most things (especially JRPGs) from that country.
And it might be less prominent in recent entries but the whole franchise was inspired by D&D.
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#485 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 6/30/2012 12:19:06 PM | message detail
Also, to be fair, Tales and Persona are both anime-styled IIRC. I have no personal experience with either (although those are two of the JRPG series I'm most interested in. I'm more interested in non-Symphonia/Vesperia Tales and Persona than I am in post-FF9 Final Fantasy).
#486 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/30/2012 1:55:57 PM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
I hear FF always described as anime-like, but then again I love Final Fantasy and hate anime in general, so.

I'm surprised Luster's not orgasming over this poll. The trends! The geolocation results!


If you mean today's poll, I actually have trends for this poll when we did it back in 2010. I am also tracking poll updates again for today's poll.
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#487 | UltimaterializerX (Topic Creator) | Posted 6/30/2012 2:56:20 PM | message detail
lol
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#488 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 6/30/2012 9:04:37 PM | message detail
Well, we didn't get a poll today related to the GameFAQs contests. Also, today's poll is being glitchy right now. The front page randomly displays one of 2 different polls when you visit or refresh the page.
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#489 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/1/2012 6:12:18 AM | message detail
Trend charts for yesterday's poll:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgBWiYjlMLwYdDB4STVRbXNydThGaVp6OUwwQmV5b3c&gid=2

4 out of the 5 options in yesterday's poll had a difference of at least 10% or greater between their best hour and worst hour. The third option had the least extreme trends.

"it's around 100 degrees here" and "it's over 90 where I live" both had strong Power Hours, ASV, and SNV. Both them were terrible with the night vote and early part of the morning vote. "it's around 100 degrees here" got all the way down to 31.28% at 8:57 AM. After that point, it gained nearly 3% during the rest of the poll. For "it's over 90 where I live" it got all the way down to 29.39% at 7:02 AM before gaining about 2% for the rest of the poll.

"it's close to 80 degrees" had the least extreme trends here. It had a slightly below average Power Hour and a slightly above average night vote and morning vote. However, it continued to gain percentage during the middle of the day even when the first 2 options were also gaining like crazy. It was able to get up to 15.02% at 3:33 PM before going back down again and losing 0.61% for the rest of the poll.

"it's only 70 here" and "It's 60 or lower" both had a very terrible board vote and Power Hour, but it had a very strong night vote and early morning vote. Once the ASV kicked in during the morning, both options collapsed like crazy for the rest of the poll. "it's only 70 here" reached 13.30% at 7:57 AM and lost about 2.20% for the rest of the poll. While "It's 60 or lower" reached 11.15% at 9:07 AM and lost about 2.10% for the rest of the poll.
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#490 | LOLContests | Posted 7/1/2012 12:33:04 PM | message detail
We don't even get a poll? Really?

Anyway, Contest ranking!

2003
2002
Sp2004
2007
2005
2009
Fall 2010
Winter 2010
Fall 2006
2008
2006 (Series)
2004
Sp2005
2011
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#491 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/1/2012 4:49:01 PM | message detail
Indeed, I was disappointed that we didn't get a contest related poll today.
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#492 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/1/2012 9:05:21 PM | message detail
Took until vote 318 for "Not important at all, I don't even like them that much" to get its first vote.
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#493 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/3/2012 12:48:41 PM | message detail
#494 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/4/2012 8:19:45 PM | message detail | (edited)
Tomorrow's poll will be "Got 3DS?". It is around this time of the year that we get another batch of "Got Console?" polls. In both 2010 and 2011, the "Got Console?" polls started on July 1st.

I don't know what polls we will be getting after tomorrow's poll. I guess Bacon hasn't added any more polls to the database besides tomorrow's "Got 3DS?" poll. I'm almost certain that we will get polls for Xbox 360, PS3, Wii, and Vita, even if we don't get any polls for DS and PSP.
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#495 | Boudii | Posted 7/4/2012 8:24:54 PM | message detail
exciting times.
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#496 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/5/2012 3:13:12 AM | message detail
Aaaaagh.
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#497 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 7/5/2012 3:19:38 AM | message detail
I would not rule out the possible chance that we won't get anymore "Got Console?" polls for the next few days. I suspect that we are getting "Got 3DS?" because of the upcoming release of 3DS LL/XL. That might explain why Bacon didn't bother to insert more "Got Console?" polls into the database at the same time he added "Got 3DS?".
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#498 | neonreaper | Posted 7/5/2012 11:07:44 AM | message detail
Luster what is your favorite poll from the first half of 2012?
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#499 | pjbasis | Posted 7/5/2012 11:33:32 AM | message detail
#500 | LeonhartFour | Posted 7/5/2012 12:14:38 PM | message detail
Spider-Man for Character Battle IX
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