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#201 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 5:13:42 PM | message detail
Oh yeah, Indie game. I actually like SB including this poll, but he should really get the smaller stuff out of the way first.
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#202 | GintokiSaotome | Posted 1/8/2012 5:17:02 PM | message detail | (edited)
Indie game would just be a Bastion win. Would be kinda pointless... best to just merge downloadable and indie since its mainly all the same games.
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#203 | foxhead84 | Posted 1/8/2012 5:21:53 PM | message detail
GintokiSaotome posted...
He could take 3 from the exclusives, since it'll represent each system.

Or take 3 "multiplatformer" aka Portal 2 (this game deserves it)
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#204 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/8/2012 7:53:52 PM | message detail
3 each from exclusive and multiplatform polls, plus one each from every other poll sounds best.
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#205 | GintokiSaotome | Posted 1/8/2012 9:03:39 PM | message detail
#206 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/8/2012 9:05:38 PM | message detail
No, this poll means that we will have our overall GotY tomorrow after this poll is over with.

Looking at the early results, I'm surprised that 3DS is doing so well here, considering the ownership rate is still a little bad. Not even Skyward Sword can carry the Wii to a respectable showing, as this might be the Wii's worst performance to date in these polls.
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#207 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 1/8/2012 9:06:31 PM | message detail
Super Mario 3DS and Mario Kart 7
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#208 | GranzonEx | Posted 1/8/2012 9:07:20 PM | message detail
PS3 master race represent.
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#209 | transience | Posted 1/8/2012 9:07:20 PM | message detail
man, I wish I understood this site's PS3 love. it loves the PS3 but not its exclusives, and then its GOTY is going to be a game that's got tons of issues on PS3. it's totally legit to like the PS3 as the multiplatform system of choice, but I would think they would like at least one of its exclusives besides MGS4.
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#210 | SuperAngelo128 | Posted 1/8/2012 9:09:00 PM | message detail
theres the fact that it has free AND decent online
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#211 | XIII_rocks | Posted 1/8/2012 9:09:44 PM | message detail
Yipee look at that PS3 dominance
I knew I bet on a winner
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#212 | GranzonEx | Posted 1/8/2012 9:10:06 PM | message detail

From: transience | #209
man, I wish I understood this site's PS3 love. it loves the PS3 but not its exclusives, and then its GOTY is going to be a game that's got tons of issues on PS3. it's totally legit to like the PS3 as the multiplatform system of choice, but I would think they would like at least one of its exclusives besides MGS4.


To be fair they don't like any of the 360 exclusives more than the PS3 exclusives.
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#213 | WhiteLens | Posted 1/8/2012 9:10:35 PM | message detail
My has the PS3 come so far in this generation.
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#214 | ZFS | Posted 1/8/2012 9:11:36 PM | message detail
PS3 had a good year in 2011. Uncharted was the only 'big' exclusive, but there were a ton littered throughout the year, and then it has all the major multiplatform games. It makes sense it's winning here. 360 might be able to swing it back this year, though.
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#215 | GintokiSaotome | Posted 1/8/2012 9:11:39 PM | message detail
SuperAngelo128 posted...
theres the fact that it has free AND decent online

Yet the majority of games on both systems are still played more on XBL. I doubt that matters much.
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#216 | transcience | Posted 1/8/2012 9:12:08 PM | message detail
true. but the 360 versions generally play better (and in Skyrim's case, a lot better)
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#217 | ZFS | Posted 1/8/2012 9:14:02 PM | message detail
Yeah, 360 multiplatform games are definitely better, but I think it has to be really one-sided to sway people, like your Skyrim example.
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#218 | GintokiSaotome | Posted 1/8/2012 9:14:08 PM | message detail
#219 | transcience | Posted 1/8/2012 9:14:58 PM | message detail
check out the top 10 faqs. Skyrim 360 #1, Skyrim PS3 #3. Arkham City 360 #8, AC PS3 #10. then PS3 cleans up in every system poll.

it's just odd, that's all.
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#220 | transcience | Posted 1/8/2012 9:16:27 PM | message detail
Dark Souls PS3 rocks 360 though. that's probably because it's a PS3 game at heart. Bioshock gets the same treatment on 360 because of that.
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#221 | ZFS | Posted 1/8/2012 9:17:00 PM | message detail
I think that's where exclusives come into play, though. I think the PS3 would take 'system of the year' on most websites, because it had exclusives and multiplatform games. If the 360 has any real problem, it's that it doesn't have good first-party exclusives to look forward to each year.
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#222 | transcience | Posted 1/8/2012 9:20:12 PM | message detail
I kinda doubt it. PS3 had LBP2 and UC3; 360 had Gears 3 and Forza 4. that's a push. slight edge to PS3 on this website but only the slightest of edges.

PC is the one that should be winning this poll hands down. best version of the 3 biggest multiplat games this year!
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#223 | ZFS | Posted 1/8/2012 9:23:02 PM | message detail
LBP2, U3, Infamous 2, Ratchet, Killzone, Resistance, Yakuza, GoW HD games, ICO HD -- PS3 had a good year, even if many of those wouldn't light up charts. There will always be much bigger games than those to vote for, but as a collective, they stick out more than Gears and Halo.
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#224 | transcience | Posted 1/8/2012 9:24:22 PM | message detail
bububut BASTION
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#225 | ZFS | Posted 1/8/2012 9:25:57 PM | message detail
if only my friend if only!

bastion superior to all those ps3 games, most of which i didn't even play!
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#226 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 10:34:18 PM | message detail
#227 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 10:39:36 PM | message detail

From: transcience | #219
it's just odd, that's all.


Brawl > Melee > Majora's Mask > Brawl
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#228 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 10:41:27 PM | message detail
#229 | red sox 777 | Posted 1/8/2012 10:42:30 PM | message detail
Melee > Brawl forever. Which do you believe, logic or your lying eyes that say that Brawl won that match?
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#230 | JJH777 | Posted 1/8/2012 10:43:12 PM | message detail
PC doing way better than it did last year despite Starcraft II probably being far stronger than any PC exclusive game released this year. Hopefully this isn't just a weird result and the PC is actually getting stronger here.
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#231 | red sox 777 | Posted 1/8/2012 10:43:30 PM | message detail
However, let it be known that Chrono Trigger > Melee. For great justice.
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#232 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 10:44:09 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #229
Which do you believe, logic or your lying eyes that say that Brawl won that match?


Both.

Considering they both say Brawl won.
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#233 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 10:45:20 PM | message detail

From: JJH777 | #230
PC doing way better than it did last year despite Starcraft II probably being far stronger than any PC exclusive game released this year. Hopefully this isn't just a weird result and the PC is actually getting stronger here.


Skyrim is the biggest PC game in a while, I think. Also, TF2 became Free to Play (doubt that means anything but hey whatev) and Steam doubled in size yet again.
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#234 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/8/2012 10:55:14 PM | message detail
I'm glad Wii is doing so terribly today. Whatever your opinion about Skyward Sword is, that was just that one f***ing game, and uh...Kirby Wii. What else...Mario Sports Mix? It was a dismal year for new Wii releases, and this year aint looking so hot either. The next good game is Xenoblades, and that doesn't out until f***ing APRIL. Meanwhile PS3/360 gets Mass Effect 3, Twisted Metal, FFXIII-2, SC4, Street Fighter x Tekken, SSX, Max Payne 3, etc.

I'm excited about new Nintendo consoles as anybody, but this is a sad ass finish for the Wii.
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#235 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 11:02:32 PM | message detail
It's actually fascinating to think about/discuss because the Wii would probably kill a GameFAQs poll about which console had the best system exclusives, especially if you provide examples.

Which current-gen console has had the best exclusives?

PS3: MGS4, Uncharted 1-3, LittleBigPlanet 1-2
360: Halo 3/ODST/Reach, Gears of War 1-3, Fable 2-3
Wii: Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy 1-2, Brawl, Metroid Prime 3

The Wii should crush that, and I think there's more to it than simply chalking it up to the prevalence of multiplatform games and calling it a day. I think Wii is in a unique, disadvantageous position because for the first time, one of the big consoles is noticeably technology lacking. The Wii really is a full generation behind in terms of specs and online infrastructure, and that hurts it more than the lack of multiplatform titles.
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#236 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/8/2012 11:17:02 PM | message detail
The DS dropped from 7.01% last year to 1.89% this year (currently). I'll blame that on the 3DS SFFing the DS into the ground.
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#237 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 11:22:12 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #235
and I think there's more to it than simply chalking it up to the prevalence of multiplatform games and calling it a day.


The fact that it hasn't had more than a few worthwhile exclusives per year for the last several years.
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#238 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 11:22:49 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #235
The Wii really is a full generation behind in terms of specs and online infrastructure, and that hurts it more than the lack of multiplatform titles.


Also, these two things are inextricably connected, so it's hard to say "Well, it's this one but not the other."
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#239 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 11:35:57 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #238
Also, these two things are inextricably connected, so it's hard to say "Well, it's this one but not the other."


If Brawl and MK had awesome online, and if these Zelda and Galaxy games had been released in 1080p on a system with more power under the hood, the Wii would be doing a lot better. A LOT better. The GameCube also never had scores of exclusives per year, but it never languished at 5% in the polls.

There's this overwhelming perception in the hardcore gaming community that the Wii isn't "serious" gaming. We don't much discuss it, but I think that stigma is there, and it's not only (or even mainly) because of the shift to casual offerings. The Wii has just as many hardcore/traditional offerings from Nintendo as the GameCube does. If these offerings had matched the best of the PS3/360 in terms of visual fidelity and online infrastructure (as the GameCube did - minus online which didn't really matter last gen), then my guess is it would be doing at least as well as the GameCube.

You could argue that it could be doing better.
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#240 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 11:37:11 PM | message detail | (edited)
Good online probably helps, but it doesn't save it if Brawl and MKWii are all it has worth playing.

But the reason Wii doesn't have as many quality multiplatform titles is because of how far it lags behind in terms of specs.
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#241 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 11:43:13 PM | message detail | (edited)

From: LeonhartFour | #240
Good online probably helps, but it doesn't save it if Brawl and MKWii are all it has worth playing.


Of course it would! What does GameFAQs play online (in significant numbers) besides CoD, Halo, and maybe Uncharted? Fighters and most other shooters aren't worth two pennies here. If Smash had Xbox Live-quality online and HD visuals, it would have dominated this site since 2008. Melee dominated when it wasn't a generation behind. Brawl could have easily done the same but was handicapped with its hardware.
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#242 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/8/2012 11:45:29 PM | message detail
I think you're being a tad too optimistic if you think online Brawl is all it takes to salvage the Wii, but there's no way of knowing, and I don't really care to argue it beyond this.
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#243 | PartOfYourWorld | Posted 1/8/2012 11:50:03 PM | message detail
I'm sorry, I didn't mean Brawl alone was enough to salvage the system. Here's what I mean:

If the Wii offered an online infrastructure of PSN quality, slightly more power under the hood (doesn't need to be at 360/PS3 levels), and genuine 1080p visuals via an HDMI port, then it would be doing much better than 5% in today's poll and would have done far better in the past few System of the Year polls. It certainly wouldn't be getting beat by handhelds.
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#244 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/8/2012 11:56:39 PM | message detail
If the Wii was doing a lot better right now, I don't think vote totals would be quite as bad. 2008 was when the Wii started to decline and was also the best year for GameFAQs for site traffic. There was a slight drop off in 2009 in vote totals, but the real impact of the Wii's decline wasn't felt until about mid 2010. With the Wii being in very poor standing right now, you've excluded one system that could generate some more traffic on here.
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#245 | Yuri_LowelI | Posted 1/9/2012 3:43:11 AM | message detail
Lol wii.
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#246 | __Smurf__ | Posted 1/9/2012 5:13:30 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #235
It's actually fascinating to think about/discuss because the Wii would probably kill a GameFAQs poll about which console had the best system exclusives, especially if you provide examples.

Which current-gen console has had the best exclusives?

PS3: MGS4, Uncharted 1-3, LittleBigPlanet 1-2
360: Halo 3/ODST/Reach, Gears of War 1-3, Fable 2-3
Wii: Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy 1-2, Brawl, Metroid Prime 3

The Wii should crush that


It's all well and good if you choose to restrict each platform to 5 games. Look beyond Zelda, Mario, Smash and the quality of Wii exclusives plummets dramatically. The 360 barely has anything to compete but the PS3 has a pretty extensive library of exclusives beyond the headline grabbers you mentioned.

- God of War III
- KillZone 2
- Demon's Souls
- Valkyria Chronicles
- inFamous 1 & 2
- Heavy Rain
- Ratchet & Clank Future
- Flower
- Wipeout HD
- Fat Princess
- Gran Turismo 5
- Modnation Racers
- Disgaea 3 & 4
- Yakuza 3 & 4
- Resistance 1,2 & 3
- Katamari Forever

This is excluding HD remakes and upcoming titles like the Last Guardian and Twisted Metal. I like the Wii as much as anyone but it'd be downright insanity to say that it even had half the exclusives worth buying as the PS3.
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#247 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/9/2012 6:03:39 AM | message detail
PartOfYourWorld posted...
The Wii really is a full generation behind in terms of specs and online infrastructure, and that hurts it more than the lack of multiplatform titles.

Tell me about it. Fortunately, the Wii had a strong technical foundation to build off of due to the GameCube having so many graphically impressive games (my own playthrough of RE4 and YouTube LPs of Metroid Prime and Wind Waker I watched within the past few months more or less confirmed this - Prime and WW look like games that could come out TODAY and not be chastised for their graphics, or at the very least, they look to be about on par with their franchises' Wii games from 2010 and 2011 if note better).

Cue Ulti bashing WW as always. Argh. I do not at all understand the hate for WW's cel-shaded graphics, although the game's concept art does get pretty goofy.
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#248 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/9/2012 6:03:55 AM | message detail
The Wii has far more exclusives than the PS3 does. This is because publishers know that if they want games to be successful on the Wii (and they often are, third party sales are actually highest on Wii contrary to popular belief) they need to make them for the Wii exclusively. Not to mention the first party support, which is arguably the best on any Nintendo home console (it is certainly the most volumous).

I could make a far longer list, but I won't due to sheer laziness. If somebody else want to trump Smurf's exclusives list, go for it.

But anyway, today's poll. PC looking really, really good for the first time... ever. That's great to see as a PC gamer, finally GameFAQs learns! Also, 3DS looking solid. I expect it to do nicely next year based on the library and the DS' performances. Still not understanding the PS3's dominance here but that's already been talked about.
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#249 | LinkMarioSamus | Posted 1/9/2012 6:16:20 AM | message detail
-LusterSoldier- posted...
the real impact of the Wii's decline wasn't felt until about mid 2010.

Kinda ironic given how that's when what many consider to be the system's best game (SMG2) came out, not to mention Nintendo releasing a stream of new games in major franchises afterwards and third parties chiming in with stuff like GoldenEye and Sonic Colors.

However, it really speaks to Nintendo's "ineptness" compared to the timeframe between 1997-2003 (1996 not counted because that year's N64 games still give me more of an SNES vibe), when we got (only focusing on consoles):

Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64
GoldenEye 007
Yoshi's Story
Banjo-Kazooie
F-Zero X
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Smash Bros.
Donkey Kong 64
Perfect Dark
Banjo-Tooie
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Paper Mario
Luigi's Mansion
Pikmin
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem
Super Mario Sunshine
Star Fox Adventures
Animal Crossing
Metroid Prime
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Mario Kart: Double Dash!!
F-Zero GX

Since then, let's see:

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Pikmin 2
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (ouch, only major Nintendo title I can think of from 2005! Okay, lol Star Fox Assault)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Wii Sports
Super Paper Mario
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Metroid: Other M
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Kirby's Return to Dreamland
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

Ye gods, what happened to Nintendo after 2003? Also, most professional critics probably don't consider there to have been a Wii game that's "really good" since Super Mario Galaxy, so ouch.
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#250 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/9/2012 6:28:12 AM | message detail
That's because the Wii went 2009 with only NSMBWii, by 2010 people just had enough.
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