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#301 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 1/2/2012 8:52:08 AM | message detail
TRE Public Account posted...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4330

That's a better poll to use.


Ah yes, I forgot about that one.

Batman likely will be about Portal 2 level, or maybe a tiny bit below, as well. Best case scenario for B/W is likely 5th place.
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#302 | pjbasis | Posted 1/2/2012 11:09:44 AM | message detail
Skyward Sword could probably take Wind Waker easily.
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#303 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2012 3:00:08 PM | message detail
FateStayAlbion posted...
Handheld games always bomb in overall GotY, and I doubt this year will be any different.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4217

Probably won't be much stronger than HG/SS, which was a bit below GoW3 and Starcraft 2


Conversely, HG/SS was only 1% from GoW3. And with SMG2 in the way, there's little doubt that it (a remake mind you) was probably number 3 that year. Handheld games bombing in GotY polls is a myth, they just have to be strong enough. Pokémon is strong enough. There's no anti-handheld stigma. we all just dreamed that up. Look how GotD turned out!
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#304 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2012 3:02:10 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #303
There's no anti-handheld stigma. we all just dreamed that up. Look how GotD turned out!


Which part?

It's not really an anti-handheld stigma, really. It's more of a "They rarely put out anything that can compete with the best console games."
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#305 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2012 3:18:10 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
It's not really an anti-handheld stigma, really. It's more of a "They rarely put out anything that can compete with the best console games."

The part where every handheld game there put out a strong performance, some beating major console games. People badly underestimated handheld games just because they were handheld games, but there are some strong ones. Yes, ones competing with console games is rare, but you know what series has that strength? Pokémon. Being from a handheld does not by itself reduce poll strength.
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#306 | HaRRicH | Posted 1/2/2012 4:15:21 PM | message detail
Handheld-games can be strong, but it's not like they often are -- especially in this setting. MK:DS is the only handheld-game to ever make the final-GotY poll, and that was in a weak year (coincidentally also being competitive with a GoW-game that year). HG/SS likely should have been our #3 game in 2010 and BW deserves some credit this year for being our #2-game last time we tested 2011's GotY-standings, but BW is on an outdated system (which probably hurt GoW2 in 2007's GotY-polls) and this year is more stacked than 2010. ME2 = Skyrim, LoZ:SS > SMG2, and either Portal 2 or Batman: Arkham City should beat GoW3...so BW needs to be both stronger and more SFF-resilient. That's a tall order for a game on a handheld from the last generation to overcome in a GotY-setting.



pjbasis posted...
Skyward Sword could probably take Wind Waker easily.

I'm not convinced. LoZ:SS will have a hard time competing with LoZ:TP since the periods of the Wii's lifespan they're released in are vastly different; LoZ:TP completely sold GameFAQs on the Wii despite being multi-platform while nowadays that same Wii has struggled to stay relevant the past three years and is about to become irrelevant again.

LoZ:WW also had to face LoZ:MM, making SFF pretty reasonable...so considering LoZ:TP and LoZ:WW aren't that far apart anyway, LoZ:SS will need to prove itself more. It's still the least-hyped LoZ-game, the only one with full motion controls, and possibly the only one that couldn't win its GotY-award -- I think LoZ:WW can handle that.
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#307 | pjbasis | Posted 1/2/2012 4:52:33 PM | message detail
I doubt there was much SFF in WW/MM.

This doesn't really happen to games unless the fanbase really prefers one.
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#308 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2012 4:54:17 PM | message detail
BW should consider itself lucky that it's on the DS instead of the 3DS, because the 3DS still has a low ownership rate on this site. BW would have had trouble doing well if it's on a system with a poor ownership rate.
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#309 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2012 5:03:29 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #305
Yes, ones competing with console games is rare, but you know what series has that strength? Pokémon. Being from a handheld does not by itself reduce poll strength.


Pokemon sounds like the exception rather than the rule.
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#310 | red sox 777 | Posted 1/2/2012 5:05:06 PM | message detail
I'm pretty convinced SS beats WW, not because of any poll data, but because it just seems better liked than WW.
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#311 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2012 5:34:32 PM | message detail
LeonhartFour posted...
Pokemon sounds like the exception rather than the rule.

Not the point. The point is that it can happen, and there are strong handheld games other than Pokémon. Hell, I'd (discounting SFF) take Golden Sun and Metroid Fusion over R/S/E at the very least.

Incidentally, I can't see Skyward Sword being weaker than Wind Waker.
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#312 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2012 5:35:09 PM | message detail

From: Lightning Strikes | #311
The point is that it can happen


The counterpoint is that I never said it couldn't then.
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#313 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2012 5:38:02 PM | message detail
This conversation is officially pointless

I mean what are we trying to prove anymore?
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#314 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2012 5:39:49 PM | message detail
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

But the point is that handheld games in general are weaker than console games.

Not sure why you'd actually try to argue against that because we have Pokemon games and Golden Sun, but whatever.
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#315 | Lightning Strikes | Posted 1/2/2012 5:47:12 PM | message detail
All I'm saying is

Not necessarily

Albion's argument: Handheld games bomb (in reference to Pokémon)
My argument: Not always (Pokémon, for instance)

How often or how many strong handheld games there are relative to console games (which is unfair, as it's a far narrower field) is besides the point.
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#316 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 1/2/2012 9:01:45 PM | message detail
#317 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:01:49 PM | message detail
Batman's got this
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#318 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/2/2012 9:01:53 PM | message detail
Batman: Arkham City is looking good here.
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#319 | jacko_vdz | Posted 1/2/2012 9:02:33 PM | message detail
Go Batman!
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#320 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/2/2012 9:02:46 PM | message detail
yeeeeeeees first Bulletstorm vote
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#321 | charmander6000 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:04:30 PM | message detail
So how about that Dark Souls?

>_>
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#322 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 1/2/2012 9:05:05 PM | message detail
Yeah, Dark Souls isn't looking too hot. MW3 probably beats it here, knowing how bad the CoD board vote is
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#323 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/2/2012 9:05:37 PM | message detail
*hi-fives other Bulletstorm voter*

Whoever you are, you're awesome
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#324 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2012 9:07:19 PM | message detail
One of the Bulletstorm voters is from Australia, though.
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#325 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:12:18 PM | message detail
#326 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 1/2/2012 9:13:15 PM | message detail | (edited)
Man, Batman rose from the board vote like 2%. Its looking pretty damn impressive here... Getting like 75% on Modern Warfare 3 is no joke
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#327 | TheKoolAidShoto | Posted 1/2/2012 9:12:41 PM | message detail
What, Australians can't be awesome?

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#328 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/2/2012 9:13:26 PM | message detail
It looks like the Multi-Platform polls are going to be divided alphabetically like last year.
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#329 | pjbasis | Posted 1/2/2012 9:13:44 PM | message detail
Oh sweet LBP2 ended up overtaking Kirby. Must've been the SNV.
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#330 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/2/2012 9:15:27 PM | message detail
Man, Batman rose from the board vote like 2%. Its looking pretty damn impressive here... Getting like 75% on Modern Warfare 3 is no joke

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507
It's not bad but it might not be quite what it needs to make a run at Skyrim.
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#331 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2012 9:15:29 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/3/2012 12:13:26 AM | message detail | quote
It looks like the Multi-Platform polls are going to be divided alphabetically like last year.


Bacon has a habit of ordering poll options alphabetically whenever there is a poll that contains games in it.
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#332 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:15:57 PM | message detail
I know cross-year GotY polls aren't good to use, but..

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3722

I know CoD has fallen off hard since 2009, but still, god damn. I thought Dark Souls met the hype, but Batman is beating it way way worse than it did back in those hype polls.
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#333 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/2/2012 9:16:55 PM | message detail
Bacon has a habit of ordering poll options alphabetically whenever there is a poll that contains games in it.

I meant across multiple polls. He could have mixed them up like with the vote-ins or separated games that are suspected to be top contenders.
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#334 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2012 9:19:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, something like this would have been better:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4047
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4048
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4049

The games are still listed alphabetically, but at least he mixed up across multiple polls.
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#335 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:20:42 PM | message detail
So does this mean we're likely to see Portal 2 vs. Skyrim straight-up two days from now?
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#336 | FateStayAlbion | Posted 1/2/2012 9:22:02 PM | message detail
WarThaNemesis2 posted...
So does this mean we're likely to see Portal 2 vs. Skyrim straight-up two days from now?

Skyrim probably will be tomorrow, since he'll go with "Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"
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#337 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:23:23 PM | message detail
Isn't the title The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, just like how while we call it Legend of Zelda it's The Legend of Zelda?
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#338 | Big Bob | Posted 1/2/2012 9:24:29 PM | message detail
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#339 | Ultimaphazon | Posted 1/2/2012 9:27:16 PM | message detail | (edited)
That's what I was wondering. They are fairly close alphabetically, so it's certainly possible. Bacon should use at least the top 2 from each poll for the final Multi-plat GOTY, so it won't be an issue of Portal 2 not getting a fair chance of being there.

BTW, just seeing this poll shows how stacked multi-plat really was last year. So much good stuff.

EDIT: Nevermind. Good point about the name being Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.
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#340 | -LusterSoldier- | Posted 1/2/2012 9:26:35 PM | message detail
It might be in tomorrow's poll, because Skyrim is listed under the E section of the PC/PS3/Xbox 360.
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#341 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:27:34 PM | message detail
- In the end Zelda couldn't even double Uncharted 3. The hype poll actually overrated it a little, heh.
- Dark Souls isn't a threat and will probably lose to Modern Warfare 3... but I don't think anyone apart from a couple of its fans actually suggested otherwise.
- Arkham City putting up some impressive numbers. Still think it'll find Portal 2 a tough cookie!
- What's all this Pokemon talk? Black/White got thrashed twice by Portal 2 after they were both released... it's not making the final poll.
- Prediction: Zelda ends up closer to 3rd place than 1st in the final poll.
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#342 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:30:31 PM | message detail
Hopefully Catherine makes the New IP poll. Be a bit strange to have characters get through a vote-in poll and into the contest and not have the game show up. And it wouldn't shock me if it sneaked into a 128 Games Contest next year, so it'd be nice to have a read on it.
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#343 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 1/2/2012 9:30:54 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4454
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4507

"The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"
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#344 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:32:48 PM | message detail
Hmm, assuming it's top two advancing, this could be quite the fight between Dark Souls and MW3 for the last qualifying spot. Dark Souls currently up by 10, but the day vote will give MW3 a boost so it needs to pull away over the next few hours.
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#345 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:33:25 PM | message detail
Wait were vanilla MvC3 and UMvC3 both released this year? If Bacon ignores The I say he should ignore Ultimate too. Come on, give us a comedy MvC3 vs. UMvC3 match.
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#346 | ZFS | Posted 1/2/2012 9:37:16 PM | message detail
Shame to see one of my favorite games doing this badly.
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#347 | WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:39:00 PM | message detail
#348 | MoogleKupo141 | Posted 1/2/2012 9:48:14 PM | message detail
it's so weird that Child of Eden is in this poll, but Catherine isn't
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#349 | KamikazePotato | Posted 1/2/2012 9:48:56 PM | message detail
ya go my Dark Souls
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#350 | LeonhartFour | Posted 1/2/2012 9:51:07 PM | message detail
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